the status of what you were also advocating for, which is the born alive survivors protection act. what happened with that? >> well, it's stuck. we can't get 60 votes in the united states senate to move that bill forward. ben sasse, the leading sponsor of the bill, the cosponsors, we've been pushing this envelope and we are going to continue to push it because here again, martha, it's just common sense, common decency. it's not an issue in the grade. this is a black-and-white issue and we should all be on the side of life. this is a chance for every single person in this legislative body to be pro child without talking about politics. we are talking about a child born, separated from his or her mother and whether we should -- that child live. >> martha: related, but other news, because i know, as you just said, you want to separate