got that? we'll see you monday night. o'reilly factor is next. good night from washington, d.c.. hottie totottie. >> bill: "the o'reilly factor" is on. >> other debate you saw 'eensy weensy spider. teeny tiny. >> itsy bitsy spider went up the spout again. >> bill: does that mean the u.s. taxpayer has to cover the health care of spiders? bizarre reaction to the health care summit. we'll have it for you. >> we will resume performances of our killer whale show tomorrow but our trainers will not enter the water. >> bill: is it ethical for americans to see a whale that has killed three human beings and should would he be allowed to do that? geraldo has been investigating. >> bill: i don't disagree with you. as you said i wrote a whole book on it when you were just a whipper snapper. [ laughter ] >> bill: glenn beck on what is the most dangerous thing in america right now? >> bill: so you are agreeing with me, beck. >> never. >> bill: caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. ♪ >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. president obama' shoes. let's put ourselves in them. the president took a big gamble yesterday moderating the health care summit. for seven hours republicans and democrats bloviated but not very much was accomplished. talking points liked the exercise, however. the folks should be able to hear both sides. there is no question that liberals and conservatives are not going to agree on obama care. simply put, many americans want small government. they don't trust the feds to run the healthcare system. many democrats say federal power is the only way to get affordable health insurance to poor and working americans. the g.o.p. says it does want reform but on a much smaller scale, and here is now nancy pelosi is dealing with that. >> the other debate that you saw let's start over, 'eensy weensy spider, little teeny tiny. you can't do it. there is certain things, unless you do them together, it doesn't have the impact. it doesn't have the synergy. it doesn't hold the insurance companies accountable. >> bill: don't you just love the spider part? talking points is reminded there is an old movie called "the spider woman." it was pretty scarey. just an aside, nothing more, but back to president obama. he has to know that if obama care is not passed, he loses big. if his reform does get through congress, he loses smaller. obvious the folks are skeptical of the deal. obama care is perilous for the president. president obama has something in common with president bush. both have taken daring gamables. mr. bush on iraq surge and mr. obama trying to ram through unpopular health care bill. president obama succeeded in the surge. that didn't help him much in the court of public opinion. president obama may succeed in getting his health care vision passed but like president bush, i don't think it's going to help him very much. and that's the memo now for the top story tonight. what's going on behind the scenes at the white house and in congress. joining us now from washington fox news chief d.c. correspondent jim angle and fox news senior white house correspondent major garrett. you know, this is political intrigue, you guys, at its finest. everybody behind the scenes doing this, that, and the other thing. let's begin with you, major. the white house mood today, are they confident that they accomplished anything yesterday? are they going to get this through? >> bill, the white house believes yesterday was a do-over. that they got more transparent. the president looked more agreeable. he was seen for seven hours talking to republicans. all the things that he was criticized for not doing. and all of the health care debate that preceded yesterday. the question on the minds of republicans is, after the do-over, will there be, from their perspective, a runover? will democrats and this president steam roll them with health care reform? we learned today that the president will outline for the country next steps on health care reform next week. now, just yesterday he said he would give republicans and democrats and his white house up to six weeks to work on -- for possible compromisees. well, if he is going to point the way forward, neck week clearly decisions have already been made. every sound you get from democrats is we're going to do this alone, republicans will not come our way, full speed ahead. >> bill: all right. you are saying that they know then didn't win any hearts and finds on -- minds on the other side yesterday. is there optimism in there? are they happy about it? are they gloomy? >> there is no optimism, bill, for this reason. yesterday did not change the fundamental dynamic among democrats. democrats do not emerge, nor does this white house, from yesterday saying we have so much more momentum than we had before the summit began. they are basically stuck where they were before. a democratic consultant told me yesterday after watching the whole proceedings, you know, republicans did look like obstructionists but on their it doesn't matter. republicans and independents are with republicans and when they say stop, the country, by and large, is with them only the liberal base of the democratic party is pushing hard. that's something this white house has not been able to overcome. yesterday did not change that dynamic. >> bill: there is still axelrod and emanuel and valerie jarrett, they are not bouncing up and down and saying man, that was a big win. that's not what's happening. let me go over to jim angle. do i have to call the or kin guy, the exterminators for the spiders? so, nancy pelosi gets out there and nancy pelosi says there is no way we are going to tamp it down. we're not going little. we're going big. you have to give it to the speaker. she is very consistent. >> absolutely. >> bill: what's behind the scenes? are they going she is crazy? she has no clue or what? >> no. she has a lot of people in the house behind her. and, of course, have you got the liberal base in the party, 100 people in the progressive caucus in the house who are behind her. they are a all a little disappointed that the public option is not going to be part of a final bill, which it appears it will not be. their problem, bill, is that they have got to figure out how to get something passed in the house. the house bill has been set aside. now, they are trying to figure out how to get the senate bill through the house. then make changes in it to satisfy house members through a process known as reconciliation. >> bill: again, i asked the same thing of gator. what's the mood there? is the mood like oh, yeah, we are going to do this. now we turned it around? or it's like this is never going to happen? [ laughter ] >> well, it's not that it will never happen. but it's going to be ugly. and everybody knows it's going to be ugly. because there is no way to get this through without doing -- cutting a lot of corners. the problem is, bill, it's gotten harvarder since the house passed its own bill. they is had two people who retired. one person died. one republican who voted for the house bill who says he will not vote for it again. you are now even. the bill only passed by five votes to begin with. >> bill: a lot of behind the arm twisting. >> absolutely. they have to stick -- they will ask these people to pass the senate bill, which they don't want to do because they disagree with it then they will ask them to fix it through this process of reconciliation by what they call a side car amendment to fix a bunch of things. one of the things they can't fix, bill, is abortion. and there you have a very strong group of antiabortion democrats who pushed a -- who pushed up restrictions in the house bill. the leader of that group. >> bill: that's their excuse not to vote for it if they want to take it? >> right. they say the senate bill is unacceptable is what they say. >> bill: look, i hope you understand that everybody's heads is going to blow off. six more weeks of this? really, you guys do this for a living. you get paid to do. this i get paid to do this. it's just crazy. go ahead. >> i asked david axelrod yesterday about all the things that jim angle just mentioned. all the procedural, the nitty gritty things, he dodged and danced and after the interview, i'm not talking out of school here he said was i evasive enough i said obviously my questions were not good enough. he said we just don't have the answers. there is no bill. >> bill: anything could happen. >> remember that bill, i'm using the bill twice, your name and legislation, there is no bill. >> bill: there is no bill. >> a 11-page proposal on the web site that doesn't constitute legislation. there is no rule on capitol hill. if you don't have the votes, you don't have blank. it rhymes with knit. they don't have a bill. >> bill: i'm worried in addition to the 31 million unamericans uninsured we have to cover all the spiders. there is just a lot of them, you know. >> no arrack that phobia, bill. >> bill: terrible thing. major, jim, thank you. we would like to you vote in our bill o'reilly.com poll. we are asking do you favor federal oversight on health insurance pricing? yes or no? give you the results on monday. next on the run down, it is war between republican senator john mccain and his arizona challenger j.d. hayworth and the birthers are involved. later, glenn beck sees a growing danger in america. he will tell us what that is. we hope you stick around. 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>> bill, no. i'm a broadcaster. and those comments were taken from a radio program where i was a catalyst for conversation. just imagine, bill, if every topic you brought up on the factor bloggers said you were an instant advocate for whomever was on. >> bill: they do already. that's what media matters does. if i mention the word black, i'm anti-black. if i mention the word gay i'm homophobe. you know how it is. i want you to tell the american public how you view the birther movement. is it legitimate? do you believe that he might not be the -- the president might not be american? >> hey, bill, i view this entire debate as esoteric. it's as esoteric as arguing about the eligibility of chester allen art you are well after a century after he served as president. look, barack obama is the 44th president of the united states. his election was certified. i believe he was born in hawaii. i made certain statements on the air to provoke conversation. that's what happens in broadcasting. sadly, senator mccain is involved in the politics of distortion and distraction. i can understand why. he doesn't want people talking about his bailout vote that included $150 billion in earmarks. he doesn't want us talking about the fact he voted against the bush tax cuts that i helped write. and he doesn't want us talking about his amnesty that would have cost american taxpayers $2.6 trillion in retirement benefits alone according to the heritage foundation. so this is politics based on distortion and distraction. i think he needs to set the record straight. >> bill: you are obviously running to the right of senator mccain. but, in arizona, 74% of g.o.p. primary voters have a favorable opinion of mccain. i think the favorable on you is 58%. also, in rasmussen, which is a good polling service, as you know, you are down 53% to 31%. so you are going to run to the right of mccain. he is going to have plenty of money, he has been around for a long time. he has a lot of rich friends. so how are you going to beat him? >> well, i'm going to beat him by simply appealing to the voters in the arizona republican primary in august. >> bill: do you have enough money to do -- >> -- i apologize for it the warm reception we have gotten across the state. couple of other notes on polling. bill, you may recall that in october of last year, over 60% of arizona republicans said they did not believe john mccain shared their basic conservative values. that was followed the next month with the poll heard around the world, a mass muffin poll that had john and me in a statistical dead heat. >> bill: but you have fallen back. let's talk strategy here for a minute. >> sure, um-huh. >> bill: all right. you are running to the right of mccain. and he is a moderate republican. there is no doubt about it. but, in your state, you get heavily hispanic, you know, it's gone way up, the hispanic votership. and there are conservative hispanics in the republican party, as you well know. they are most likely going to go for mccain. not too many african-americans in the senate. so i'm just wondering whether there is a coalition that you can put together to win this primary. >> oh, there is, bill. first of all, your analysis is partially correct. hispanic republicans. but the case is i would just caution everyone, beware the myth of the mono litani. the instant notion that because someone has hispanic surname they are for open borders and amnesty. nothing could be further from the truth. >> bill: i understand. senator mccain has been a friend to the hispanics of arizona. >> i have, too. >> bill: i am not saying you haven't, j.d. but you are will challenger. it's always harder for the challenger. >> sure. well, know, there are a variety of issues, bill, where john is out of step with arizona republicans and arizona conservatives. i outlined them earlier. the bailout vote, this week he was trying to do damage control, claiming he was mislead on that vote. now, stop and think about it. with all due respect and we all think the world of john mccain, his service and his sacrifice. but he was saying earlier this week that based on his experience, he could do more for arizona? well, when you go out and say, wait a minute, i was mislead on a very important vote, that doesn't make the case. and no so, with all due respect to john, i challenge arizonaens viewing us tonight, stop and think, over the last decade, what has john mccain specifically done for arizona? he has been running for national office. i think we all respect that. >> bill: okay. we have invited senator mccain on the program any time he wants to reply to j.d. it's going to be a good race, g j.d. that's what democracy is all about. two strong candidates. >> you bet. >> bill: we are going to follow it and we appreciate you coming on the factor. >> thank you. remember o'reilly viewers special reception at the web site j.d. for senate.com. >> bill: special reception. >> nice welcome. >> bill: nice welcome. killer whale controversy. should we pay to see a mammal who has killed three human beings? geraldo has some thoughts. then frank luntz will tell us what the folks think about the family guy attacking sarah palin. whoa. those reports after these messages. ♪ need a lift ? 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