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unbelievably. you know what the democrats are going to say and it's completely justified? we did something, we tried. the republican party will own the healthcare system for the foreseeable future. >> eric: okay. republicans own healthcare, don't you mean, james, conservatives fair america from the chokehold of a president who is so self-indulgent he executed a law that 70% of disagree with. bobby, oh, boy, not looking good for mandate in chief. >> eric: mandate in chief. 70% is the wrong figure. it averages out under 50%. there are more people who oppose it than favor it. look at the last two polls from gallup and abc. >> eric: they put it there. >> bob: we can argue over numbers. more people don't like it than like it. i agree. the point is if they take the mandate out it will affect big portions of the bill. it probably will mean that premiums will go up. my guess is they will not kill the bill entirely. if they take the mandate out. they will leave other parts in. and it will mean to cause premiums to go up on the insurance policy and we'll blame republicans for it. >> eric: what will the spin, the spin doctors come out right away on the heels of what looks to be 5-4 decision against the mandate. >> andrea: if they say the mandate is unconstitutional. this is a huge loss for the president. this was his biggest signature piece of legislation. so this will be a huge failure for the white house. i think what carville, not like i pretend to know what is in brain, but i think what he was trying to say is this will take out the most controversial and unpopular parts of it. so if you strip that, and you strip what the solicitor general what he argued today, all right, guys, judges if you take away the mandate, then i ask you take away the preexisting condition and also what is called the community clause, where you can't discriminate based on zip code. the solicitor general in my opinion is arguing defeat. thaw are cutting medicaid cost and they'll talk about the medicare panel and still talk about the employer mandate. they can talk about the other things. this is a 27,000-page bill. >> eric: 2,700. >> andrea: 2,700-page bill. they can say the bad stuff is gone the rest is all good. >> eric: if the supreme court says it's unconstitutional, the individual mandate, the supreme court itself said won't it bankrupt insurance companies? >> dana: they did ask that question but asked is the rest of the bill not work? did it hinge on the individual mandate? i think there are, there could be a lot of agreement on some things as preexisting conditions. they could get to bipartisan agreement on a lot of things. conservatives deserve credit for making good arguments, they were persuasive enough to get the 68% of americans think it's unconstitutional. it doesn't meeb they don't want healthcare reform. that's significant achievemen achievement. on carville, rarely are political pundits exactly accurate in their analysis. and when they start spinning early on for example in 2010 when they had the mid-term election and the white house was about to lose, they started to spin right away because they knew. i felt like the white house was making an attempt today to start one, painting the court as a crazy court. illegitimate. but imagine if they win. what if it goes 5-4 their way? is it then still illegitimate crazy court? they're on shaky ground. >> eric: first, beautiful suit. >> greg: thank you. finally you noticed. i've been sitting here for six months and now you say something. james carville, good to see he hasn't aged since they discovered him in a wall in pyramid. if he spun faster he would take off like a helicopter. according to his logic, if mitt romney is elected president that is a great step for democrats. >> dana: everything is good. always spin. >> greg: this is exactly what a guy says when he gets dumped by a fiancee. this is the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. i'm going to go to gym. everything is going to be awesome. i feel great. then he goes home and eats package of oreos in bed and cries himself to sleep. dabs save me from myself. >> bob: what carville said makes sense. if this goes down, mandate goes down and most of the guts of the bill are taken down, you still have 40 million uninsured americans. now it's up to the republicans to do something about that. >> dana: not true. >> bob: yes, it is. >> andrea: they argue about medicaid. that would mean 17 million americans would get coverage under medicaid. the court, though we are unsure likely how it will rule is probably going to keep the medicaid and medicare provisions in place. >> bob: if i could finish my thought. let's assume that this is 30 million people uninsured. it is then up to the republicans to tell us if you believe the people should be insured, because when they go and get healthcare, the rest of us are paying for it. what is the republican answer. they don't have a single answer. >> eric: rather than dictate the merit of the healthcare bill i'm curious how both sides are spinning. this is what jeffrey said off the supreme court, listening to the argument today. a lefty leaning supreme court watcher. "it's hard to imagine how things could be going much more for the obama administration." i agree with this. you can't spin this this. >> bob: one of the conservesive justice on the conservative court asked tough questions along the same lin lines. the vote came out, they voted in favor of it. i think you have to be careful with all due respect to him, but trying to read tea leaves on the supreme court by asking the questions they asked is crazy. >> eric: is it crazy? >> dana: well, look, i think where arguably you look at his analysis over the years and said he probably, if he were on the court, he probably would have been nominated by a democrat. it's sound from a legal perspective. not just jeffrey tubin but looking at the legal eagles today, who are commenting on it, they just, they had that argument. it's not that they are bad lawyers. they're very good lawyers. but they are trying to defend is indefensible. i think the justices were asking good questions. got to the nub of the problem. >> bob: even roberts today said this is unique, this case. this is not like when forcing people to say, car insurance, and roberts said wait, this is an entirely different thing. healthcare system is unique in all, in america. that will affect everybody. he is right. >> eric: does it not strike you as strange on the two-year anniversary of the signing of obamacare there was no mention by president obama? he flew to the korean peninsula after that. do they want to own it or pass it? g they want to pass it. they have no one to blame by themselves. bob talking about the republicans who a left holding the bag. but president obama let nancy pelosi hijack the process. it could have been a mature legislative process but instead, midnight rendezvous. i don't think he recovered from the odious gavel walk. remember that? >> dana: the thing on carville, what i saw was cynical. he is not the only one making it because they're organizeded and all making the same point, the democrats win either way. the question has to be then, does president obama want a solution or a political issue? i think that there is a way for him to come up with a solution where he could right now go to them for the republicans and say let's get these four things done together. >> andrea: the biggest factor is the employer mandate. if you talk about the economy recovering. think about the businesses. businesses will still be forced to cover employees. a lot of the employees are saying we're hit the hardest in the sound economy. this is the strongest argument. hold on. for appealing obamacare. to greg's point about the analogy going to carville, like a girlfriend that no one likes and she is bad. carville says take out the worst part of the girlfriend, right? don't make her so mean. maybe make her dress better or bake cookies. obama says this is my girlfriend without the bad things. >> bob: of all the tax loopholes and there is an interesting chart on this, the employer insurance they can take off the tax, if they don't -- before you're upset about this. fine, pay taxes -- wait, wait, wait. >> andrea: argument -- >> bob: wait. corporate welfare is the worst. if you want to do this and don't want to do away with obamacare, fine. do away with the tax exemption for employers. >> eric: remember what sparked the tea party? obamacare. the debate over the obamacare. check this out yesterday on cavuto's show. watch. >> the president of the united states promised to heal us all, he can't take responsibility for one thing. he can try to use the healthcare law, the supreme court line of questioning is beautiful because it goes back to what the tea party said all along. what does the united states constitution do? it protects us as individual. >> eric: well said, ladies. with passion. >> bob: this is a good example of tea party. that's a person i'd like out in front if i was the tea party public relations. >> andrea: we need them. the republicans has an enthusiasm problem. >> greg: if you're on the right, if you're enthusiastic you're hate speech. >> bob: you think that was a coherent statement? >> eric: very coherent. very, very excited. up front and center. they stated the case. i agree with them 100%. coming up, jay leno spoofs president obama over the hot mic incident with comrade dmitry medvedev. >> president obama got in hot water over the open microphone incident with the russian president. he implied once he was re-elected he would be more free to help the russians. but see, it wasn't that open mic incident. it's what happened later when the mic was still open. they didn't realize. show that. >> eric: all right, you have to stick around. we'll be back with that. don't forget to e-mail us at [email protected]. we'll be back in a moment. kgkgkg indomnable. >> indomnable. >> marco rubio. >> the american dream. >> paul ryan. >> paul ryan. um, creative. >> rick santorum. >> press secretary. yeah. >> dana: all right. i think for politicians, arguably the hardest program to go on are the comedy programs, especially if it's not your strong suit. what do you think? you're a comedic kind of guy. did you like that? >> greg: i feel discomfort when i see a republican do a talk show. they don't make jokes for a living. they make money for a living. they look out of place. they ask him to give him one word to describe each person. he is so entitled. he is free when he's talking about it. go ahead. bob. hot, loveable, tough, adorable. >> dana: you useded those. >> greg: i'm being safe. >> dana: one thing that eric teased for us from the "a" block to the "b" block is something that's my favorite topic of the week. hot mic speak. when leno starts making fun of you, you know you have a problem. >> what happened later when the mic was still open? they didn't realize it. show that. >> the president, would you do me the honor of singing that song one more time? >> ♪ i'm so in love with you >> dana: actually, that probably would have been like a better thing to have said, instead of whispering -- >> greg: didn't he really say that in >> dana: i don't know. andrea, when "saturday night live," leno or letterman, when your issue of the day, your problem reached their program, you know something is up. >> andrea: you know it's as will of control and you can't get it back. at this stage of the game, you ask why didn't we try to do something sooner? this is not a good thing. because this is a foreign affairs issue and everyone is so focused on the economy, it's probably not going to hit home as much. >> dana: this proves my point. nothing good ever happens on a presidential foreign trip. right, bob? >> bob: yeah. i mean, that's right. >> dana: something always happens that messes you up back home. >> bob: hard to keep it scripted on foreign soil. you have foreign press and it's, i have been on them, you have been on them. they're tough. >> dana: eric, i want to go to you. there is polling that shows that president obama doesn't have as much problems at home as he thought. a lot of polling in the swing state, showing in a matchup with either romney or santorum, he is way ahead. do you think this is the result of the primary that drug on for so long? >> eric: yes, i think so. until we get to one nominee. you are probably going to see it skewed. this gets to romney, inevitable at this point. the number gets closer. >> bob: much bigger problem. look at the polls, among independents the unfavorability is 50%. that is a dangerouser the rory to be in going -- territory to be in going in to election. not the kind of guy that brings polls back. >> eric: women, president obama is doing against romney very well -- >> bob: beating him handily in ohio, pennsylvania and illinois. >> dana: one of the last poll flashed at the end was about the grass prices, greg. 68 -- gas prices, greg. 68% of people are angry about gas prices with the president. it wasn't all coming up roses. >> greg: this is one thing that romney has going to him. if he can tie it to the killing of the pipeline, this is his ace in the hole. a card phrase. >> dana: i like that. i thought it was golf. >> greg: it is. a great issue to show the president naivety. >> bob: what they are not showing is who do people blame for it. they blame the oil company. not one, they blame the oil companies, not obama. >> eric: put that poll up. the one you just put up. put it up again. does anyone find it disturbing that 24% of the people approve of the way he has dealt with the gas prices? >> bob: why do you expect anyone to approve when you have $4 gas? there is polling that says who is to blame for it. they don't blame obama. they blame big oil. >> andrea: if you look back at polling, people believe that president obama can do something about it by an overwhelming majority. the reason the numbers in the swing states are down is the primary. once you get two candidates that can go against each other, things will be better. one thing that romney should have, and he doesn't. you think the one thing a candidate has in a presidential would be energized base. like 2010. they had an energized base. you don't see that. $20 million in ads. low voter turn-out. the base is not energized for romney. in thats a sneak is tough to galvanize. >> dana: there are two other people in the race. on monday you rode up on the train with candidate and former speaker newt gingrich. last night there was news he laid out a third of his staff and making changes. did you tell him to do that? >> bob: it shows that the money is trying up for him. they chaed the new position. they fired the campaign manager. i was almost fired when they were beaten by gary hart. then they may conventional strategy. >> andrea: they are selling dog headbands. >> dana: i'm going to get one. >> eric: he can get re-elected. i'll open up the envelope and drop gasoline prices $1 immediately. on twitter they're going there is a picture of you. >> dana: there is something in there. it's like the golden ticket. >> bob: if you really got something, what about the people who can't afford the gas prices. do them a favor and bring it out now. >> eric: give them another spot. president obama, steven chu, get together and open it up for you. >> bob: be a good american and bring it out. >> dana: we're getting out of here. directly ahead, remember the story of the pilot locked out of his cockpit. then taken off a plane in handcuffs and it's all caught on tape. we have more of that when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announc ] you plant. you mow. you grow. you dream. meet the new definition of durability: the john deere select series. with endless possibilities, what will you create? 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we got video of what the passengers did. i know what i would have done. i'm supposed to keep talking. i tell you what i'd do. bend over and put your head between your legs and kiss my arse goodbye. no -- >> dana: you're so flexible. wow, bob! >> bob: take it on themselves to stop people going crazy on planes and jumping all over people. but the pilot, you know what else happened? a guy who was a pilot but he wasn't -- you think free trip, right? he had to go in and land the plane. what if he hadn't been there? the copilot. your brother is a pilot. what did your brother say about this? did you talk to your brother? >> andrea: i did. they used to do psychological testing of pilots and they stopped doing that. i wonder if it sparks a debate -- i don't know why they stopped. maybe the cost reason. they used to test them psychologically, which doesn'tbe seem like a bad idea. a lot of pilots are underpaid. they trimmed down the staff. they're working multiple shifts. we have done reports on the fox news channel. they're grounded, they are exhausted a lot of family pressure. they are being worked by the company. but this is a different case. this guy does seem to have psychological problems. >> eric: what about you? >> bob: would you fly on that? >> eric: i don't think he had a choice. he went through the preflight stuff and lost it in midaye. when they subdued him, he broke through the plastic handcuffs. i guess they should be, the restraint if you have an unruly passenger or pilot, so it doesn't happen. >> eric: don't they have marsh on planes? >> dana: it's random. >> bob: do you like to fly? >> greg: no. i usually medicate myself. this an airline that doesn't show movie. out of the -- [ inaudible ] this is pure misunderstanding of the mad and hell scene in network. he did a tremendous job. he was fantastic albert finney. they are getting the wrong -- whatever they call it. >> bob: when i was afraid to fly. i did everything. somebody said look, bob, when your time is up, your time is up. my answer is if you are at 35,000 feet and the guy next to you time is up, you have to go down, too. somebody has been bad on the plane. >> greg: the guy when he was subdued ranted about jesus, september 11, iraq, iran and terrorists. he would be great on cable television. >> eric: a quick story. back in another day when i had the oil company and i used to fly customers to l.a. took a flight, got there. landed. my mother happened to be staying at my house with my wife. honey, sorry, they got into a huge brawl. i got the phone and said you have to come back. cut the trip short. on the way home the pilot comes on and says well're having problems here. in the b

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