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[captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- shepard: first, three full boxes appe. the obama administration says they are ready to take quick action on iran. breaking news in the story of the parents that prayed for their dying daughter but did not take her to the hospital. they have been convicted of manslaughter. the judge is in with the details. no. 3, a deadly catch, a group of friends catch a giant shark. 22 seconds past the hour, the top story from fox news right now? dozens of lawmakers waiting in on the president's choices concerning afghanistan. as the security situation there deteriorates, just today afghanistan's defense ministry reported 10 more afghan troops died fighting the insurgents. as a stark reminder to the cost of american families coast-to- coast, the bodies of troops that died over the weekend arrived back home in america today. tomorrow marks eight years since this began, since the united states started bombing. we won that war in three weeks. since then it has spilled over the border into pakistan, a country with a stockpile of nuclear weapons. should we send more troops? one of the most pressing public debates right now. the president is hearing at this moment what lawmakers had to say about this debate. james is following this from the white house. any idea on what is happening? >> what you have here are the top democrats and republicans on a number of key committees meeting with the commander in chief behind closed doors. we are talking about intelligence committees, defense committees, even appropriations committees. the white house says that this is an opportunity for the white house -- for the president to give these key lawmakers a status update. the white house also says that these lawmakers will have an opportunity to ask questions. the president is likely to get an earful from a number of different perspectives in congress. shepard: did they link their work to the war in afghanistan? >> not explicitly, no, which was something of a surprise. the president spoke at a post- 9/11 counter-terrorism agency. he identified al qaeda as the principal threat to america, saying that we are combating that threat. he says this of -- specifically mentioned pakistan, europe, and east africa. he did not mention afghanistan. the president said that we are making real progress in our core mission and we must never lose sight of that goal. shepard: the top commander in afghanistan has been very public about his opinion on what should be done there. it is hard to imagine someone issuing these kinds of leaks under the bush administration. the white house must be lifted. -- livid. >> if they are they are not saying so publicly. we should note that what we are talking about here are recent statements by stanley mcchrystal, the top commander in afghanistan, who since his recommendation was leaked to the washington post last month, last week he gave a strong advocacy on behalf of his own proposals. a think tank in london. robert gates said that he wants civilians and military involved in making profit. >> james rose ann, thank you. fox news cais tracking h1n1. the united states is gearing up for a massive inoculation program. today we are hearing the first reports of minor side effects. very few cases with muscle cramps and headaches. parents are expressing concern that the vaccine was rushed out, cutting some corners. those of the accusations. the world health organization says that this is one of the safest vaccines they have ever tested. which comes as the united states gets ready to give the shot to more than half of the u.s. population in a few months. for more on this, mary and silver. -- marion silver. >> right now they are relying on parents to keep track of what is going on in the vaccination campaign, bringing kids in to health departments like this. here in georgia that of 400 doses, reserve for kids between two years old and four years old. other states are going to start with these younger kids, as they are the ones that spread it the fastest. shepard: is there going to be enough for everyone that wants one? >> right now officials say yes. they ordered 250 million doses for the country and they say that so far and looks good, initially they thought people would need two doses for effectiveness, but that that is not the case. they feel they have an ample supply. shepard:m marianne, thank you. the leaders of our iran say that their nuclear program is only for energy purposes, peaceful. last month of the unveil a facility that experts say could be used to make fuel for weapons, but it will not be up and running for a long time. this same country just tested missiles that could carry nuclear warheads 400 miles. several countries already have nuclear weapons, the country has the means and the material, how does the west stop them from building the atomic bomb? is it even possible belo would cutting off money do the trick? here with us from the fox business network, what would a possible punishment look like? >> there are a lot of proposals in congress to increase sanctions and give the president more tools. the chairman of the senate banking committee, christopher dodd, introduced legislation that would expand sanctions the oil and gas pipelines, imposing petroleum product sanctions. they would also impose a broad ban on direct products from iran. believe it or not we still import thousands of dollars in persian rugs, fruits, and not. pension funds would be able to divest securities from firms that invest in iranian energy products. shepard: is the thinking that that would be enough to cripple them economically? >> it is probably not. economic sanctions, historically, against specific countries have a spotty track record. supporters of sanctions point to south africa, where strong sanctions from around the world helped to end apartheid. iran has the third largest oil reserves in the world. that is the principal export and cornerstone of their economy. if the u.s. and other countries can squeeze the oil business, it could be painful. shepard: thank you, sir. lawmakers are waiting for a crucial independent report on the cost of the senate's latest health care reform bill. how much? who pays? context and perspective from both sides of the aisle, next. our group of fishing buddies real in a 750 pound shark. the man that shot the video -- there we go -- they are joining us live in "fox & friends -- in "studio b." shepard: it is the new question at the center of the health-care debate. how much is this going to cost? everyone needs health insurance. lawmakers on capitol hill are asking the same question. here is where they are today. the senate finance committee was supposed to begin voting. now that vote has been delayed because the congressional budget office has not completed its cost analysis. the non-partisan congressional budget office report has not been made public. early reports seem to suggest that democrats have lowball the price, which would not be good for the author of the proposal, max baucus, the chairman of the finance committee, now on capitol hill. also an orthopedic surgeon, he says that the country needs to read -- reform health care system. >> great to see you. shepard: why would we not want a public option? >> looking at what we do know, a government takeover of health care -- shepard: that is not fair, we both know it. it is not a government takeover, it is a government auction. if you have insurance now, you can keep it. if you want government insurance, you can get it to cost down. that is not a takeover if we are being fair, is it? >> medicare is going bankrupt. what we know about the max baucus bill is that it is going to cost $1 trillion and we are going to pay for it by $500 billion in medicare cuts. it is going to make it tougher for them. plus there is going to be $400 billion in tax increases. that is what we know is going to come out of the max baucus bill. it will be close to $1 trillion. it will bankrupt the states because it is forcing so much of the care on to the states through medicaid. that is what we're looking at. we need health care reform. insurance has been purchased across state lines. we should give an incentive to those who take responsibility for their health. do we should be able to take down the lawsuits that are out there and allow smaller groups to band together on health care. shepard: over the last 10 years health care costs in america have skyrocketed. regular folks cannot afford it. so, they tax the system by not getting preventative medicine. they go to the emergency room in last case scenarios and we all wind up paying for it. as the costs have gone up, the insurance industry's profits have gone up 350%. it is the insurance companies that have contributed to senators and congressmen on both sides of the aisle to the point where now we cannot get what 60% of americans say they would support, which is a public option. this has been an enormous win for the health-care industry, unquestionably. what happens to the american people when we have legislation that requires more people have health care insurance but does not give a public option? millions more people will have to buy insurance from the corporation's who are overcharging us and whose profits have gone up 350% in the last 10 years. seems like we, the people, are getting the shaft. >> you are right. i will not defend the insurance companies. shepard: every vote for the public option is a vote for the insurance companies -- every vote against the public option is a vote against the insurance companies. >> i disagree. shepard: the public option would keep the prices in check. the public option would stop it. what else would stop it? >> i do not believe that. that is why they cannot get the 60 votes. talk to people across the country, i just got back yesterday, i do not see any support. the seniors are very concerned. i do not see that support. my e-mail is 3-1 against it. people see very quickly that this is going to lead to a single payer system that will get you to the kind of rationing that they have in canada and new england. even right now, medicare, it is going to cut the amount of money spent on heart specialists and cancer specialists. the government, for them to just draw a line, now they are going to penalize, coming up, one out of 10 doctors every year? one out of 10 doctors regardless of what happens, 5% of their income? they are the ones that are going to cost the system more. what about the patients that need more diagnostic study? they are the ones that need the best doctors. they have the incentives all wrong in this proposal coming out of the senate finance committee. it will be terrible for the american people. shepard: how do we keep the costs down without a public option? >> there is no magic bullet. let people purchase across state lines. let people write off the tax breaks like big companies. deal with these abusive lawsuits, $200 billion every year that do not help anyone to get well, but they do protect doctors. let small groups banded together. there is no one single solution to the whole thing. the waste, fraud, and abuse in the system is just awful. medicare programs have the most waste, fraud, and abuse. all of the studies in washington, that washington is incapable of dealing with the waste, fraud, and abuse, you will see more of that. the worse it will be for the american people. shepard: i want to make clear, washington would not be running the system. it would be a government-run plan -- >> that is washington. shepard: paid for by a not-for- profit to try to keep health care costs down. in recent polls more than 60% of americans say that they favor it. >> 100% of americans want to keep costs down. so do i.. we have been attempting to give people positive incentives. these bills do not do any of those things to give control of their lives to people. health care in this country is just 5% of the people. they eat too much, exercise too little, and smoke. the benefits will be on the system for other things. shepard: search, grade of you to be here. thank you so much. @=h shepard: we have people in the newsroom who book people to represent their causes. today we called 30 democratic representatives, wants to have been on the program before, to please, and give their side of it. here is a list. blanche lincoln, arizona. mark prior, arkansas. barbara boxer, california. chris dodd, conn., thomas harper, delaware. roland burris, illinois. evan by, indiana. benjamin cardin, indiana. robert menendez, new jersey. chuck schumer, new york, kent conrad, sharon brown -- how much time you have? with us now is a 25 year veteran of policy, in the past she has worked with two massachusetts democrats, left side of things. president obama campaign of a public option. that is what he said we would have, that is what we said we wanted. >> it is politics, pure and simple. the reality is that a public option will be provided by private insurance companies, just like nationally. they are going to have one right over here, they cannot afford things, then they will charge a higher rate. that position says that i have to charge you more because i have to pay for everyone else. they do not want to have to show that they can provide the same care for 1% of the population and not everyone else. shepard: in a capitalist system, which you could argue we are in, if we are in a capitalist system and one organization is operating not-for-profit and everything else operate for profit, how can the for-profit companies continue to be viable? and why would they not collapse, with the government running the health care industry? >> here is the problem, it is all about to collapse. this debate has been about cost over coverage, but there is no real competition right now. unless we sperm competition through the public option, it is clear that insurance companies do not want it because of the scenario that i outlined. the fact is that we are paying higher premiums that we cannot afford. we are subsidizing every one that does not have it. any time they go to an emergency room or somewhere else. make sure that everyone is covered, that is what we need right now. the original plan covered 94%, reducing deficits. the longer that the program went on, revenues and deficits went up. it would be interesting to see what they say about the second planned. you have to cut the cost to individuals so that they have more money to put in their pockets to invest. the only way that we will get there is something like the original max baucus plan. i do not know if this new plan will do it. shepard: by way of example only, my brother owns an ice-cream store. it is not as busy as it used to be. not as easy as it used to be. were a government to set up not- for-profit ice-cream stores, that would be it. my brother and his family would have to close down. if all of the ice-cream stores had to close down, they would go down in quality and up in price. why is that not what would happen but a government option? i am not saying that is what i believe, but there are millions of americans who see this as black and white, for-profit going out of business. all we are left with is not for profit. health care costs go up, health care goes down. >> in massachusetts these insurance plans are not for profit and they make plenty of profit. i belong to one. as someone who works in a private company. my health care is from a non- profit company. they provide the public option in massachusetts. i do not know if there is a way to bring it without competition, but either the insurance companies have to bring it to themselves, or we need something other than a public option to do it. unless we start to contain costs and increase coverage, the system is going to collapse. that is our only choice. shepard: thank you. we will be right back. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today. shepard: fishing buddies out in florida, on the water, but think -- looking to pull in a sport fish. then there is a mako and it is not nice. trying to hold him? the answer was no. it took hours to get control of the thing. they did it. check it out. look at this. are you kidding me? 10 feet long? the height of a basketball through. it weighs more than 750 pounds. considered fairly large for a mako. they were about 30 miles north of miami. with us now is the man that videotape to the catch. jamie? >> how are you doing? shepard: as someone who lived down there for a while, that is a big one. >> first-time experience for me with a video. shepard: looks like you have got a production company now. how did they make the decision? you are out there looking for swordfish, then there is a mako shark, that is a different days experience. >> it changed the complexion of everyone on the boat pretty quickly. shepard: for someone not in the middle of that thing, that is a fight you cannot imagine. it goes on for hours. tell me about it. >> everything happened so quickly. at the same time it was slow, in a sense. when we first told of the owner of the boat spotted the fish from the tower feeding on a giant soared fish. we had to shift gears to figure out what we were going to do. we had not figured on encountering a big mako shark. they managed to get it tied off alongside the boat. we spend 15 to 20 minutes trying to bait this thing. we finally got it to take a poke. she got wrapped up under the boat. they had to cut the line physically. they had to reattach the line in the middle of the fight. that was before they could get her boat side. shepard: what did they do to it afterwards? >> it went back to lighthouse point marina. the biggest fish of my experience in close to 30 years on the water. they fileted it. short and mako shark is very good table fare. -- short fin mako shark is very good fair. shepard: love it. sounds like a perfect day on the water. sounds like better than debating the public health care option. i want to go fishing after looking at -- looking at that tape. a potential bombshell against an afghan war and terror subjects accused of plotting targets in new york. shepard: developing right now, a meeting between 30 top lawmakers and the president on the situation in afghanistan. a bipartisan group. at any moment now we are expecting to hear from some of the republicans in a meeting. and a lot of issues need to be hammered out. one of them is getting the most attention in washington -- do you send more troops into afghanistan? or do you use unmanned drone and do what they call surgical strikes cabal of the white house says that it is not a decision that should be rushed. rick, great to see you. context and perspective. is there a way to know how they are leaning? >> looking at the signals from the administration -- shepard: a trial balloon. >> looks like it. it looks like they are strongly considering a change in strategy. if they were just going to take the general mcchrystal strategy would not be seeing this deliberation that right now -- the liberation right now. for tea leaf readers there is no shortage of things going on right now. 30 members of congress are out there right now. shepard: help us understand why it is that the general would be so public about all of this, something they want to keep under wraps, ideally? >> a question that a lot of folks are asking in side of the administration. general mcchrystal has been the one out there talking last week. clearly the general has his own ideas. they tried to accomplish the strategy from before, and you might see growing pains in the fact that there is a big national security in engagement happening the way that it is right now. >> is the argument being seen that the more killing did you do, the more they will turn against that? 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