this time they're off because there was a very mild season down in australia. and then the third, that we don't -- we mixing it up with covid. like the symptoms are too similar. flu doesn't have the same nasal congestion as covid does but same body aches and weakness and fatigue and fever and seeing kids getting sick with the flu. two deaths have occurred already. flu hospitalizations are going on. all of this taken together, make it a lot harder on me as a clinician to decide what's the flu and what's covid? good news, i can do tests for both. the flu test is a lot more available than the covid test. >> bret: but in an average flu season or aggressive flu season we have 30 to 60,000 people die from the flu, right? >> exactly. and, you know, that's what we're worrying could occur this year 30 to 60,000. nowhere near the order of what we are seeing from covid. the other problem with covid is

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