paid for. what about that? >> well, at least he is trying to do it. i don't necessarily agree with the 3.5 trillion. let's put that aside. he at least is offering revenue raises to do that and people are being critical of him because he wants to raise taxes. but i give him credit for that one thing we ought to acknowledge, also, they should pass a debt ceiling increase not because they want to go forward spending money. they have already spent that money. and for anyone to say to go home and brag about government spending but did not want to spend the money and put the country and the economy in jeopardy, i think, is a height of irresponsibility. >> bret: clearly what's as jeopardy is first bipartisan bill, trey. >> yes, bret. nothing is ever paid for in washington. both sides play games with the cbo how they score it dynamic or static. that's how you get $30 trillion deficit. nobody ever pays for anything. >> bret: winners and losers. morgan start with winner and then loser. >> herschel walker it looks like mcconnell is not going to