it would be - - if katie couric was a real journalist, if she thought that ruth bader ginsburg at the time still sitting on the court didn't understand or didn't really hear what she, uh, was saying, then it was her duty. katie couric's, to let the public know that very thing, given the fact that if she wasn't cogent, she wasn't cogent enough to deal with more complicated and nuanced issues in front of the court that would affect the whole country. katie couric's not a journalist. ruth bader ginsburg clearly was sound and understanding and she was hearing and what she was saying, and in terms of this autobiography, it comes across as a biography that's written by somebody who hates katie couric, quite frankly. >> so true. >> my only ex planation for that is here's somebody who star has long faded, who's gasping for relevancy. >> nailed it. >> i do think it's interesting,