narrowly winning it. he feels like he can't necessarily trust these numbers, so as much as he touts them, i think this is really the point where the rubber meets the road and he gets to see how much support and how dedicated the supporters really are. howard: yeah. especially in the face of this expected monster blizzard and 15 crees below today in des moines. so, kevin, "the new york times" says the republican primary race increasingly feels like a contest for second place. if that's true, are the pundits increasingly rooting for nikki haley? if obviously, they are going very negative about desantis, can he last past iowa and all that, as their last hope of overtaking donald trump? >> yeah, i don't think there's any if question. they're hoping with all vision gore that somehow, some way nikki haley -- and, listen, it could happen. i think ben's right, we've seen iowa throw curveballs year after year after year -- howard: absolutely. mike huckabee, rick santorum. >> there you go.

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