battle back in -- howard: not massive numbers. >> not massive numbers when you're trying to win statements that have much bigger numbers, what does this look like. howard: and, kevin, as i said, cnn kept cutting away from trump in both new york and washington and say he's lying, but since the network spends mitch of -- much of each day talking about trump often critically, why couldn't they let him have his say and then come in with facts? >> that's precisely how you're supposed to handle it. going back to the early days of our careers, at least there was an appearance of impartiality. i've been a coordinating producer before, so i've been in the booth. i can't imagine with cutting away is the responsible decision. what you're supposed to do in this business, in my opinion, is you're supposed to let him have his say. if you want to fact check after, do it. it is newsworthy what a he had to say, and that is the standard. we saw a journalistic dereliction of duty. howard: it is news, what a he
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