estranged from mainstream reality and that is a huge problem. howie: all the big media companies that that are feasting on these leaks, could this be a form of payback against its rival, facebook? >> well, i think if we're being honest, obviously to some extent. facebook is their great rival. it's killed their appetite in business. and big institutions are very enjust -- very envious of poachg readers. howie: quoting you, on the left mod rigs ais portrayed as a surrender to white nationalism and on the right white identity politics has overwhelmed moderate conservatism. are we screwed to use a technical term and how much are the media fueling this polarization. >> i think they like facebook are fueling it to some extent. i think the fact that you can be, forgive me, on fox news and never really hear a solid

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