missing from the conversation. i think these things are shocking because they're being talked about, but they're not really as shocking as many people might think. howard: well, that leads to my next question which is nbc news president noah oppenheim insists he and other executives had no prior knowledge of allegations against matt lauer, but ronan comes back and says, well, there were secret settlements, some of them with lauer accusers, and they're vague we don't know how much money was paid out to these women. and unlike when fox news and cbs and other media analysts grappled with similar problems of misconduct by executives and others here and there, there's been no outside investigation by nbc. >> right, absolutely. and so we're supposed to trust nbc saying that nbc didn't do anything wrong. i don't think that that applies in any situation. i mean, when people do things