tell show 2.5 times the cost. 4.5-trillion dollars and not $1.7. in terms of the deficit which you care about and i care about. it will be 2.8-trillion dollars over 10 years. this is a fraud. i intend to expose it next friday, a week from tomorrow and hopefully at the cbo will live up to the commitment they made to me to score the bill about budget gimmicks. >> sean: what are the odds -- i mean, i assume you are friends with joe manchin. if i'm not mistaken. i got along with him over the years. don't agree with him on everything.. we certainly agree on energy. energy is pivotal to his state of west virginia. i know he didn't like biden's energy balance and see thee danger in the debt here. >> joe manchin is a good guy. he is a democrat, but he is a west virginia democrat.