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but nothing matches the animation created to show jurors one possible way that duct tape may have been used to kill caylee marie. i warn you, it is ugly to watch. i ask you also to note that the photo used for the animation is a two shot that pointedly includes the defendant casey anthony the mother smiling on as her child's face decomposes into a skull. a two shot. i fact i'm sure you have not heard mentioned on any other program. live and at large tonight in orlando, in miami, pittsburgh and new york, we begin with our friend and colleague, phil keating reporting today from the courthouse. >> testimony today strongly suggests that caylee anthony's body sat te decomposing for the to five days in the trunk of her mother's car. the evidence, several hundred dead blow flies and their larvae. first the judge allowing for the release of the controversial piece of evidence, the graphic animation of the smiling face that morfhs into a real crime scene photo of her skull and a piece of duct tape superimposed over her mouth and nose which prosecutors say is all that was needed to suffocate caylee. >> we see the outline moving up and down on the photograph. what is the reason for that? >> to show that we don't know where the tape was. it could have been higher, could have been about the nose and the mouth or could have been lower than that. >> www. singlepieceoftapeifappliedinthe singlepieceoftapeifappliedinthe positionshownonthevideohavebeen sufficient to cover the mouth? >> the defense finds this intensely prejudicial. >> the video you showed of the possibility that the duct tape could have been in that position was quite graphic, was it not? >> it was. >> was it for the purpose to demonstrate to the jury something of a graphic nature? >> no. >> it was for the purpose of -- was it for the purpose of getting sympathy or getting the jury angry? >> no. >> and unsuccessfully motion for a mistrial. >> the defendant moves at this time to file a motion for a mistrial based on the prejudicial evidence that was admitted today on the super imposition video of a child's skull with duct tape wrapped around the face and a photograph in fact serves only one purpose is to in flame the jury, especially when tested that he couldn't describe and explain give than opinion without the video. >> motion for mistrial at this time will be denied. >> prosecutors also took the jury on a virtual tour through the swampy wooded area where caylee's bones were found scattered about by animals. unlike the past two days, casey anthony did not look nauseous and peaked. a doctor testified about what the bugs show. back in 2008 he examined the trash bag which was found in casey anthony's trunk and within it he found several hundred blow fly larvae. he testified that type of fly commonly lays eggs on decomposing species whether animal or human and he found the larvae within paper towels in the trash bag. >> what did you restrived by substance to be.e >> i thought it was a possibility because the larvae were there feeding and completing the life cycle that it most likely was decompositional fluid. >> they held up what was left of the t-shirt that caylee was wearing when she died. if found guilty, casey faces the possibility of being sent to florida's death row. testimony resumes monday morning at the courthouse for what is expected to be the prosecution's final week. >> you know candace long, the host of investigation discovery's deadly women. a former fbi profiler. so many children die at the hands of their own parents. why is this particular defendant so hated? >> i think there is a few things. number one, she hasn't shown what people interpret as remorse really certainly not very much. another factor is the victim in this case is a very young helpless innocent child and a cutie pie so that stirs up our emotions. and now something has come out this week that it was an accident, maybe she drown in the pool. well, if that is the case, then if a child -- if your child drowns in a pool you call 911. i'm simply saying that casey really hasn't developed anything that any one could consider sympathetic in her. and it is difficult to go along with h her program. >> geraldo: well, in a bit we will see her absolutely sobbing down in court when the animation was shown. we will be back to you and our fine panel. despite the judge's i think wildly proprosecution rulings, the evidence in the case strongly suggests that this defendant killed her own child, let's be real about that. and much of the evidence concerns the smell of death. >> 911, what is your emergency? >> there is something wrong. i found my daughter's car today and t smells like there has been a dead body in the damn car into sno. >> geraldo: an overwhelming smell are death? >> what do you recall noticing? >> smell. >> what do you recall about the smell of the car. >> just that it was potent. >> geraldo: what caused that god aah ff awful odor. >> the odor that reminded you from your past, was that the odor of a human corpse? >> yes. i said please god, don't let this be casey tor or caylee. >> geraldo: the tow truck operator agreed. >> can you distinguish between the scent of trash or garbage and the subsequent of decomposing human remains? >> in my opinion and my experience the smell of decomposition is unique. in comparison to the smell of rotten food or rotten garbage. >> geraldo: and so did grandma. >> i did took it out and it smelled pretty bad. i went and got some families sprayed the doll and febreze in the car thinking that might help the odor. i used a whole can of feed breze. >> even a can of air freshener couldn't stop the smell. >> the odor was extremely overwhelming. >> and did you immediately recognize the odor that was emma nateing from the piece of carpet. >> yes. >> and what did you recognize that odor to be? >> it was -- i would recognize it as human decomposition into >> geraldo: experts told the jury it was the smell of the odor of a human body decomposition. >> is that distinguishable from your nose perspective from all of those other things? >> yes, ani malls have a muskier subsequent. domesticated animals like a pig have much sweeter subsequent than human remain as. >> geraldo: the defense suggested a different explanation. >> sir, you testified under direct examination that the smell of human decomposition is unique? >> to me it is, yes. >> do you recall making a statement, sir,, to the knoxville news on december 14, 2008, that the smell of human decomposition smells like a potato gone bad, that is very similar to human decomposition? t is amazingly similar? >> i believe i made that statement, yes. >> so it is specifically unique to a potato? >> a bag of garbage was also in the pontiac and baez tried to plant the possibility that it was the trash and not caylee's decomposing body that was the source of the smell. >> you mentioned that as part of your protocol that you draw evidence, correct? >> correct. >> and you later are aware that air samples were taken of the dry gentleman garbage? >> i don't have any recollection regarding that question, counselor. >> so you have no idea whether air samples were taken of the dry garbage? >> no. >> geraldo: in the end the odds are the jury will believe the prosecution experts. >> do you have an opinion as to whether there was a decomposing human body in the trunk of that car at some point? >> i could find no other plussible explanation other than that to explain all of the results that we found. >> that is powerful evidence for the prosecution. putting aside the appellate issues i mentioned at the top of the program. when we come back, the role that duct tape plays in this child murder trial of the century. ign is paying o! business is good! it must be if you're doing all that overnight shipping. that must cost a fortune. it sure does. well, if it don't have get there ovnight, you can save a lot with priority mail flat re envelopes. one flat rate to any state, just $4.95. that's cool and al.. but it ain't my mone seriously do not care... so, you don't care what anyone says, you want to save this company money! that's exactly what i was sayi. hmmm... ority mail fat rate envelopesjust $4.95 only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] thanks to advanced natural gas turbine technology from ge, the power that will help make our nation more energy independent is right here in america. 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>> the cause of death what i put was homicide of undetermined means. >> what do you base that on? >> when a child is not reported immediately to authorities either with an injury, that is something we look for for foul play. this child from history was not reported for a long time. the other thing that makes it a homicide is that the body was hidden. a child's body is thrown out hidden in a field, we know that is one of the things we look for, for when we are looking for homicide. also, it is often found that these bodies are in not always a closed container, a suit case or a plastic bag like this child was, that again is from our experience from observational systematic studies of red flags for homicide. >> geraldo: continuing our special report on the casey anthony death penalty murder trial with the role that duct tape played, was it as the prosecution says, the murder weapon casey used to suffocate caylee? here is craig. >> the the florida prosecutor says case in anthony not only killed her daughter but plotted her murder for months. drugged her and suffocated her with duct tape. does the evidence prove this? we asked doctors to take a look at the autopsy. doctor, duct tape, do you think that killed the little girl? >> in my experience it is almost always used to tie around the body or the body bags after death, not before death. >> the state cannot prove that duct tape was used, chloroform was used or any other method was used. >> how did caylee anthony die. in florida prosecutors reconstruct the more morbid scf scattered bones. determined the child's body was in tct when dumped less than a half mile from the anthony home? >> there was no indication that the body was dismembered which using a tool or anything like that. >> we did not see any evidence. >> whatever separation occurred was through natural process of decomposition? >> correct. >> in her report, the orange county medical examiner concluded caylee's body was placed there soon after she was last seen alive. >> do you have an opinion as to the manner of death in this case? >> yes. >> what is that opinion? >> homicide. >> but the defense will try to prove otherwise. a second autopsy performed by famed forensic pathology dr. warner spitz indicates caylee's body was moved. he examined an area the coroner did not. >> examined the inside of the skull and found there was a lot of material that settled on the left side of the skull which would mean that that body was -- and that skull was on its left side for most of its post mortem time and that the decomposition had occurred while the left side of the head was on the ground. >> and, doctor, how was the head found when the police arrived? >> the head was found sentencingly perpendicular to the ground, straight up. clearly the skeletal remains were moved from one place or another or the position of the skull was changed. who did that, that was the question. >> the tape was covering the mouth area. do you u know whether it was in a position where it could have covered the nose had it been there? >> based on what i saw there is no way to say that exactly. >> the prosecution feels that was placed on it while alive but there is no way of telling that from the autopsy or the crime scene. >> does the cause of death, the wrapping around of the tape and the nose make it a capital crime? >> scientific evidence is really weak. no drugs of any kind to put the baby to sleep were found in the hairs in autopsy material that were subjected to toxicology. >> there was no human tissue of any kind on that duct tape, was there? >> nothing that i could identify as human tissue. >> if casey allegedly put the duct tape around the child's skull where is her dna? where is the child's dna? that is -- none of that is on the duct tape. how did she die? >> the defense alleges that she drown in the pool. >> the medical examiner can't establish a cause of death. the defense is saying it is quite possible she died as a result of an accident in the pool. maybe the jury will buy that, that it was an accident. >> so, geraldo, it seems a lot scientificecutor's sigh enfif evidence can be challenged. still, it is hard to underestimate the impact on the jury the horrible pictures of caylee anthony's skull wrapped in duct tape. back to you. >> geraldo: it is powerful evidence. but did the prosecution go too far by stating specifically that duct tape is the murder weapon? i'm going to ask one of the most famous forensic pathologists in the country, dr. cyril wecht, right after this. ...but it helps pay the doctors. pays the doctors, boyyy! 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do you agre agree based on the evidence as you know it? is that typically how duct tape would be used in a circumstance like this? >> no, i can, however, neither agree nor disagree as to whether or not the duct tape placed over the mouth and nose was the mechanism of death. there is no way to scientifically prove that and i think that the prosecution unnecessarily then perhapses a minor tactical error close to focus on that mechanism. i don't think it is necessary in this case. the fact is the duct tape i believe has been found to be the kind of duct tape present in the anthony home, number one. put that all together with everything else you have been discussing this evening that we all know including some things that haven't been touched upon. the hair with the decomposition band that we see in people dead for 8, 10, 12 hours or more and the chloroform and casey's attempts to learn about chloroform on her computer. the fact that the child is not reported missing for 30-31 days. the stench in the car and dr. voss that deals with these kind of things and if he tells you it smells like a body it smells like a dead body and you can be sure of that. put that all together and you have a barbecuing bash homicide. a -- and you have a homicide. you don't have to have a body or prove where, when and how somebody died. you remember the laci peterson case as an example. i don't think it will be in any way fatal to the prosecution but i must say that i cannot give it the kind o scientific certitude given in the doctor's testimony. >> geraldo: does that undermine the testimony of dr. g? >> basically dr. g gave a closing argument as did dr. wecht gave the state's closing argument in the case. the bottom line is they want to get across to the jury that is their theory of how the child died. the prosecutor asked if there was a significant amount of chloroform in the vehicle or around that child could that be fatal to a child and her answer was, yes. almost an alternative theory. bottom line t does not undermine what the prosecutor has done. the meat and potatoes of what what happened this week. >> geraldo: and doesn't exclude drowning either by intentional or accident either. whether by negligence homicide or intentional murder case. >> is almost surely involved in the death of her child. what will the jury make of her emotional testimony? that is coming up, right after this. just how much natural gas was trapped irocks thounds of feet below us. technology has made it possible to safely unlock this cleanly burning natural gas. this deposits can provide us with fuel for a hundred years, providing energy security and economic growth all across this country. it just takes somebody having thidea, and that's where the discovery comes from. ♪ i like your messy hair ♪ i like the clothes you wear ♪ i like the way you sing ♪ and when you dance with me ♪ you always make me smile [ male announcer ] we believe you're at your best when you can relax and be yourself. and at thousands of newly refreshed holiday inn express hotels, you always can. holiday inn express. stay you. and now stay rewarded with vacation pay. stay two weekend nights and get a $75 prepaid card. he needs some gellin'. yeahhhhhhh. gellin' is like having a teeny tiny foot masseuse in your shoe. you like ? 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