stories that remind us that we are one american family. >> there is a shrill and discord can't as our politics can be at times. it was a moment that reminded us of who we really are. and how much we depend on one another. my prayer is that we stay true to our words. and turn to those examples of heroism and courage and perseverance to bring out the better in all of us. >> this is a fox news alert. despite obama's appeal to there was a very public death threat today in tucson that prompted police action. ironically, it came from a hard core liberal. at a town hall meeting packed with eyewitnesses and concerned citizens and member of congress. fuller left wing activist took a close up photo of the local tea party spokesman trent humphreys, then fuller said you're dead. he was promptly arrested. before i get to my explosive interview with jeb bush for more with what went down in tucson today, jason ogen a deputy for the pima county sheriff's department joins us live alongside a familiar face or at least a familiar hairdo steven cats friend of the mass murderers jared loughner. steven was at today's town hall meeting. tell us what happened. tell us what was said and what you saw, steven. >> well, when the representative from the tea party stood up to speak and he announced that he was from the tea party, eric turned around with his cam camera, eric was in the front row and the tea party spokesman was in the fourth row. eric turned around with his camera, took the picture of the guy from the tea party and said you're dead, like you had said. >> geraldo: did it mean it? did it sound to you like a death threat, steven? >> it sounded like "you're dead." it didn't sound like a joke at all. throughout the rest of the time. >> geraldo: pain in the butt during this town hall meeting? had this guy really interfered with what was going on? >> people seemed pretty shocked at what he had said. there is lots of whispers and someone next to me that had turned to eric and said, you know, now is not the time. this isn't appropriate. you need to sit down and be quiet. this isn't the time or place for. this he kept saying things like that whenever eric would boo or make an interrupting noise at whatever the man from the tea party was saying. >> >> geraldo: to deputy owingen where is this fellow if you recall now? >> fuller is currently at a local hospital where is he on a psychiatric evaluation. >> geraldo: has he so far been charged with any crime, deputy? >> yes. there are two charges against him. one is threats and intimidation. the other one is disorderly conduct. >> i know you don't like to give your opinion. but don't we wish that if jason loughner had come in your purview you had busted him for extended observation. but in the case of fuller, you're definitely treating it like a legitimate death threat, deputy? >> yes. yes. like was already stated before, he did turn around to trent humphreys and state "you're dead." [. >> geraldo: and had this guy been on your radar before, deputy? >> you know what? i really can't get into that. i don't know anything about his criminal history or his mental history. >> geraldo: okay. thank you deputy steven, we're going to see you later in craig's interview about the background of jared loughner. thank you both, steven. see you soon. the man many republicans, ladies and gentlemen, wish was running for president of the united states former florida governor general bush granted me an exclusive interview in which he talks about everything from gun control to educational reform to border security. in tucson, arizona. >> governor, thanks so much for being here. >> you bet. >> geraldo: i appreciate it we have so much to talk about. the need for the republican party. but i would be remiss if i didn't ask for you to comment on what happened in tucson, arizona, the reaction to it since it's this awful massacre. >> just unbelievable tragedy. brings just to see the pictures shown correctly so with great repetition of this precious child that lost her life going to her first political event. just to see how the parents show their love in such an eloquent way. very emotional, very moving and not related to the civil discourse or the political discourse in our country at all. but it has given people a chance to maybe pause and think is it appropriate to be jabbing each other, yelling and screaming at each other as we are prone to do in politics when these things happen or going forward is there a lesson to be learned that maybe we can be more civil? i hope so. because, you know, i was a former politician. i tried, i was pretty, you know, in people's face about my beliefs, but with civility because that's the way i was brought up. and i think we have really gone beyond beyond the pale as it relates to personalizing political discourse. not focused on the substance of the conversation. so, if this -- even though it's not necessarily related gives people a chance to pause on the left and right and say we can have a conversation to defend our views, without raising the desbell level, i hope it happens. >> geraldo: the president going to my old alma mater the university of arizona and making a speech. >> very good speech. i was moved by it clearly he was moved, which is good. sometimes i wish the president would show more emotion. presidents, you know, are our prime minister and our king, you know. and they have to be more than just kind of icy cool about the 5-point plan to solve our problem. they have to connect with people. and i thought he did a very good job. >> geraldo: has the country found the middle road in terms of responding to this tragedy, not politicizing it but taking away from it the lessen you suggest that enough of the finger pointing and the shouting? >> in a round about way. because it seemed to me the first reaction was political. and now we have so many different means of access for people to express their political views, right? through columns and through the cable stations and through blogging. the cumulative effect knee jerk reaction of left saying it's the right's fault or the right saying no, it's your fault. that that happened and people paused and said, whoa, enough already. and i think that's the part that is positive. in a round about way, there is now kind of a consensus saying well, maybe, you you know, maybe it's okay to have a different point of view, but be respectful about it. and, you you know, ultimate test of that will be at the ballot box. the best way to change our culture, political culture is through electing candidates that vow to be civil. >> speaking of candidates, sarah palin made a now famous or infamous 8-minute videotape in which she responded to being called the blood libel. >> governor palin has every right to be deeply concerned by these type of attacks. i haven't seen how she responded. going forward, it does, i think, it will now be part of the calculus when people decide how they are going to advocate a position or, you know, defend a position that they may want to be careful about the language they use. i think that's fine. and if that's the end result of this, and there is a recognition that no one is to blame in the political process for, this that i think, our country would be better off. we're all, you too, we are all, you know, prone to, without thinking about it, use -- we're prone to exaggeration to make our point sometimes. you know, it's not necessary. so, all of us are sinners. you, i promise you, i have seen you a few times. we are all sinners in this regard. and so i'm not suggesting that it's one person. i think everybody in politics, you kind of get trained to make your point. you want to make it in a pay that pierces the consciousness level of people. and now maybe we can do in a different way that actually might be politically popular as well. the best chance for change is when you have -- when it becomes something that's the right thing to do and it's also popular politically because that kind of ensures people's behavior. regulates people's behavior better. >> geraldo: final political kind of question, you don't share your beloved mom's lowest steam for governor palin? >> i think my mom actually holds governor palin in high esteem. >> geraldo: she asked that she stay in alaska, though. >> i think that was a symbol of whether she should run for president or not. look, i hold governor palin in high regard, and i love my mother. so -- >> geraldo: two strong ladies. >> i'm going to try to avoid getting into a discussion about that. you know, i think you can -- i think i can love my mother and respect governor palin. i think i'm okay there. >> geraldo: much more with governor bush. watch that crazy youtube video in the upper right hand part of your screen posted by mass murderer jared loughner. in the midst of the nfl play offs we probe the investigation of sex and pro football. stories after this. [ male announcer ] the inspiration for its shape was an archer drawing his bow. ♪ could that have also inspired its 556 horsepower supercharged engine? ♪ the all-new cadillac cts-v coupe. we don't just make luxury cars, we make cadillacs. this is pima community college, one of the biggest scams in america, all of the teachers that you have are being paid illegally and have illegal authority over the constitution of the united states under the first amendment. in is genocide in america. >> geraldo: say what? that was 22-year-old jared loughner's youtube video shot by the nut case who should have one in amental institution long before he unleashed his apocalypse last sunday. casey stegall with the latest on senator gifford's condition. >> she is still listed in critical but stable condition this evening. doctors did give us encouraging news today. they said that this morning they performed a minor surgical procedure on the congress woman to remove the breathing tube from her mouth and inserted a new breathing tube in her windpipe in her neck which means that she is breathing on other own with the assistance of that ventilator. doctors say it allows them to protect her airways better. though we haven't heard any news on whether or not she is able to speak at this point. meantime the congresswoman is receiving aggressive physical therapy. they are dangling her legs off of her hospital bed. they tell us that she is moving both of her legs. she is moving both of her arms. and she is also moving her eyes and opening her eyes a lot more, responding more tore familiar voices like friends and family. as we reported yesterday she is able to click a ball point pen when asked to could do so and even removing the wedding ring from her husband's finger when told to do that. this is good news but doctors want to point out that she is not out of the woods just yet and, of course, she has a very long road to recovery, geraldo. >> geraldo: i guess you mix the good with the bad there, casey, thank you very much. you will continue to monitor that for fox news. i appreciate that. now, we go to craig who talked with some of the people who knew loughner including steven case, the fellow with the pink hair and some of loughner's ex-girlfriends. here is craig. >> make shift memorials like this up with at gabrielle giffords office have cropped up throughout tucson as residents try to come to grips with the situation and figure out why it happened. >> that grin that has been seen in his mugshot is similar to the grin that he had in class sitting at his desk with his fists clenched just grinning at people. >> a disturbing grin? >> yes. >> steven cates sat behind jared loughner in poetry class at pima county community college where the mass murder suspect was kicked out for loud and disturbing outbursts. >> there seemed to be a concerted effort to get him out of your class. what happened? >> after time of jared making the other students uncomfortable. mainly the girls, a few got together and asked if there was any way he could be removed from class. >> the school released 51 pages of shouting at teachers, incoherent rantings to campus police and delusional tirades on the internet. >> this is my genocide school where i'm going to be how manyless because of the school. -- he wasuss augusta spended suspended last fall but the school never contact the law enforcement or mental health officials which could have prevented jared from having a handgun. >> everything seemed normal new mexico he started having little anger bursts i guess you could call them. he would get plu plus flusteret like it was a way of trying to hold it back. >> his ex-girlfriend saw a violent change in loughner when they dated as 15-year-olds at mountain view high. >> i was only with him or three or four months. he started to scare me a little bit. i felt that i hadn't known him all that well at the time and so i wasn't sure if i should be worried about it and it still bothered me so i just stuck with my gut feeling and ended the relationship. >> when you heard about this mass shooting and you found out that jared was in in the middle of it, what did you think? >> shocked. >> did it make you fearful that something like this could have happened to you? >> it kind did. i'm not going to lie. made me think, what happened, if he had done something back when i was dating him, you know, what kind of situationing would that have been. >> ashley recently crossed paths with jared. >> he has crazy eyes and clenching fists. >> the last time i saw him it was like he was looking right through him. obviously had to do with what he was possibly planning to do. >> this is the home where jared loughner lived with his parents. a bag was found containing ammunition. cops say it belonged to jared loughner. eyewitnesses say he was seen fighting with his father when tried to place the bag in the trunk of his vehicle before the shooting incident occurred. >> he had anger. what towards exactly i'm not sure. i don't know. >> geraldo: craig, she seems a thoughtful young lady. did she think that he was nuts? >> she thought that there was definitely something off with him which is why she broke things off. she felt that there was the threatening moments, he would clench fists and get angry and have these fits of rage so she wanted to hedge her bets and cut things off with him. >> geraldo: what is behind you? describe that? how many folks are there and what is that? >> what we have is a makeshift memorial that has been here since the tragedy occurred. and what you see are a lot of people gathering and they are gathered here every single day putting out candles, messages to the victims, photos. balloons. stuffed animals. memories for the victims. and good hopes that they get better soon. >> geraldo: it is amazing how many people, i mean the story is a week old but people are still flocking, people of tucson, caring very deeply. craig, thank you. thank you very much for that report. coming up, is his town in turmoil? the tucson police chief reacts. and another young lady who knew the shooter apes abou answers t friends and family. after this. ♪ [ upbeat instrumental ] [ rattling ] [ gasps ] [ rattling ] [ laughing ] [ announcer ] close enough just isn't good enough. - if your car is in an accident, - [ laughing continu ] make sure it's repaired with the right replacement parts. take the scary out of life with travelers. call or click now for an agent or quote. >> well, dammity, sheriff, if you are not surprised and you know the rhetoric is hot why not have your guys there? >> why not direct our ragt at the medical health system that allowed. >> that is another story for another time. >> that has to be where we make the judgment. >> geraldo, address my point. there saying the rhetoric is hot. >> personal disdain and distaste for the man that i don't share, bill. >> look, you have to answer my question. he says to the nation the rhetoric is hot down here. okay. that is his thesis. that is what he says. and he doesn't put one deputy down there? he is an idiot! >> geraldo: he is an idiot says bill o'reilly. i don't agree. we are joined by the tucson police chief and by a friend of the accused mass killer jared loughner. chief, you first. first, though, i understand that the murders happened in the county, not in the city where you have the police force rather than the sheriff's deputies. do you leave your -- do you believe your -- first of all, let me ask you specifically. when congresswoman giffords was in the city of tucson during her campaign events or political meet and greet the voters did you provide a city cop, security for the congresswoman? >> not on a routine basis. if the congresswoman requested any type of security we proslided that or if -- we provided that or if we had information that led us to believe there was a problem we would provide officers. was rare. the congresswoman and ooh lot of congress people come down here and hold events on a regular basis without any security of law enforcement. >> what do you think of the criticism of the sheriff that he failed utterly to provide security in a red hot political environment? >> i think that there is a lot of people talking with the benefit of hindsight. you did not have a situation here where there was a known threat. you have an individual who was obviously unstable. this was not something that the sheriff had prior knowledge of or that congresswoman giffords had prior knowledge of and so i think that is an unfair criticism. >> geraldo: let me ask you a better question. what are you going to do from this day forward, chief? going to provide a cop any time a congresswoman is in the city of tucson? you know, given the benefit of 20/20 hindsight as you suggest? >> you know, since the day that that happened, we have provided police officers at every federal representative, senator or congress person in the city of tucson at their offices and at their residence just because we wanted to make sure everyone was safe right now. as the time goes on we are meeting with each individual office to determine what their level of safety is, what they feel they need and then also we will obviously intercede if we have information that they may not be aware of that leads us to believe it would be a little more prudent for us to have people there. >> geraldo: so things have changed, chief? >> i don't know if things -- well, yeah, obviously things have changed. i guess it is that way across the country. i think that every jurisdiction will probably be talking with their congressional representative just as they did on that conference call back in d.c. with capitol police. i think that people are going to be more aware of what is going on and pay much more attention to any potential threats and i do think that the atmosphere has changed some what. how long that will be, i don't know. >> geraldo: i tell you, if we can have a state trooper accompany an ncaa football coach when goes to an out o of town game, we can have a cop or deputy or if we are in d.c., a federal marshall or a capitol security cop with just one uniformed cop would make a difference. chris, i want you to stand by. i will get to you. chief, thank you very much. i appreciate it. chris, please stand by. i will take a commercial break and what i'm going ask you when we come back is what your impression was of this guy. right now, would this man jeb bush accept a draft for president in 2012? 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