and i would point you to jimmy carter in 1980, a weak president, very low approval numbers challenged by ted kennedy. guess who crushed ted kennedy? jimmy carter, 3 to 1 in the states, 2 to 1 in delegates. gueswh to beat anug incumbent president if he doesn't want to go. i think the real questio beat n is can joe biden and his handlers keep this empty husk shuffling along long enough before the charade completely ends the a and at that point, tt becomes, is it gavin newsom? is it michelle obama? >> because it's certainly not kamala harris. let me ask you, as a? as a brit. looking at all this from afar, what is the mechanism if the party genuinely decides thsa they cannot move forward with biden as the nominee? but he's said he wantsrdn as to, what is the actual mechanism for stopping him wha doing that? >> but but but the problem, piers, is that usually the dnc is controlled by the incumbent president sitting in the white housy the, the democrat, the dnn will do whatever the incumbent itesident wants done. it's going to be very hard for b
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