overseas and now, this, here's the latest from arizona. gabrielle giffords is in critical condition after a bullet passed through her head, arizona's chief federal judge, john roll, one of gifford's arizona staff members and a nine-year-old girl are among the dead. one suspect, identified by authorities, as 22-year-old jared loughner was arrested and a second man is being sought. and for more on this story, we turn now to carl cameron on capitol hill and, trace gallagher in tucson, trace? >> reporter: we're outside the university medical center where gabrielle giffords, the congresswoman, remains in the intensive care unit and she's in critical condition but doctors are optimistic about her survival. the bullet passed through her head but struck part of her brain and though she is responding to commands, medical experts say that does not rule out the possibility of long-term damage. we have also learned that gabrielle giffords was the intended target of this attack. in all, 19 people were shot, 6 have been killed including federal judge john roll who we learned attended the event and decided to attend it an hour before it started, a nine-year-old girl, christina green was also killed and she was brought to the event by her neighbor. 13 others wounded. here's a witness who described what he heard and saw. listen: >> i didn't think he was a novice gunman, the way he was shooting and the consistency of his fire and the leth that the, the head shots, he had been to the range a few times and i would say this was a planned event. >> reporter: we are getting a lot more information about the suspect, 22-year-old jared loughner. he is now being held, by the fbi. pima county sheriff says he had' troubled past, dropped out of high school an kicked out of community college and told me could not come back without a mental evaluation and said many times he posted the anti-government rants on the internet and now, he's being invein investigated for ties to an anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-semitic group, and gabrielle giffords is jewish. and, there is information now, about a potential second suspect, a person of interest, who may have been in the safe way with jared loughner before the shooting happened. police now looking for a man in his 40s to 50. a white male, dark hair, last seen wearing blue jeans and a dark jacket and dared loughner today will be arraigned, 11:00, here in tucson. bret. >> bret: trace gallagher reporting from tucson, thank you, for reaction we turn to carl cameron on capitol hill. >> reporter: hi, bret, within hours of the unprecedented attack on a member of congress, gabrielle giffords, and others, at a public political forum, president obama addressed the nation: >> president barack obama: she's currently in a hospital in the area. and she is battling for her life. we also know that at least five people lost their lives in the tragedy. among them, were a federal judge, john roll, who has served america's legal system for almost 40 years. and a young girl, who was barely nine years old. >> reporter: almost immediately the president ordered fbi director bob muller to tucson to head up a massive investigation and contacted governor jan brewer and members of the republican and democratic congressional leadership. >> our prayers and thoughts are with all of them, all of their families, congresswoman giffords is a great patriotic american, a representative in congress of a new generation of loerdz. -- leaders. >> reporter: and she has a reputation as a centrist democrat, one of 19 who voted against nancy pelosi as speaker last week and is a pro 2nd amendment gun owner and gave her last interview to fox news, just friday, before the attack: >> you know, actually, as a former republican, i -- you know, i consider myself someone who is pretty in the middle and a blue dog democrat and one that is interested in making sure that our country maintains our prosperity and, frankly, our superiority over other countries. >> reporter: the new house speaker, john boehner issued a statement, saying in part, an attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve. and, president obama noted the horror of the attack took place at that most american of political forums, the town hall-style meeting. >> president barack obama: gabby was doing what she always does, listening to the hopes and concerns of her neighbors. now that is the essence of what our democracy is all about. that is why this is more than a tragedy for those involved. >> reporter: and just moments ago, from westchester township, ohio, house speaker john boehner had this to say: >> this inhuman act should not and will not deter us from our calling, to represent our constituents and to fulfill our oaths of office. no act, no matter how heinous, will be allowed to stop us from our duties. >> reporter: house republicans have decided to postpone this week's planned vote to repeal the health care law and there is a conference call planned this afternoon for house democrats and republicans, and their spouses, to talk about this. the sergeant-at-arms and the capitol police are urging all members of the capitol community to be ever vigilant in their own security and already some members are calling for security increases for members of congress, the debate is under way, in full. >> bret: carl cameron reporting from capitol hill, thank you. what is next? for answers we turn to two congressional leaders. democratic congressman james clyburn who comes to us from south carolina and republican kathy mcmorris-rogers, who is with us here. thank you both for being here. your reaction, first, to this shooting, and, what it means, potentially, for washington, representative rogers, we'll start with you. >> it is just a terrible tragedy, and like everyone i was shocked when i heard the news, and it is still hard for me to get my arms around what has actually happened with arizona with congresswoman gabrielle giffords doing what we all do, on a regular basis, go home to our districts, meet with the people we represent and it is such an important part of the process of being a representative in congress, and, my heart goes out to her and her family, as well as all of the other victims, and, america's standing behind them and, ready to do whatever we can to be helpful to them. >> bret: and federal judge john roll lost his life in the... >> yes. and stopped by to say hi to her and it is a tragedy on a number of fronts and a nine-year-old girl who had been elected in her student council and wanted to meet an elected official, and it is shocking to all of us and, we are all trying to, you know, get our arms around it so we know the best way to respond. >> bret: congressman clyburn? >> thank you so much for having me. first of all, i hope that all of us would follow the advice of president obama and use this day to pray for those victims, pray for those who are trying to recover, and, keep gabby in our thoughts and prayers. gabby is a good friend. i met her back in 2006. spent two days campaigning with her. we have worked very closely together, on legislation involving nasa, as you know, her husband and twin brother are astronauts, and, of course, i represent the district that the nasa administrator, charles brogan, grew up in and, so, we have been working closely together on nasa legislation, as you know. we have had funding problems with nasa and so i have gotten to know her very, very well and, to see something like this happen, to such a conscientious, out going, passionate legislator is -- causes me great pause. but we are living in a time that all of us should be begin to take shock of how our words affect people, especially those who aren't very stable. >> bret: some of your collies, congressman clyburn are already speaking out expressing concern about security for members of congress. representative grehalva, from arizona, a democrat calling on congress to beef up individual security for all members and a republican from utah says lawmakers and aides work in -- he is concerned about his family at home, and maxine waters from california said, quote we are vulnerable and there is no real way to protect us. is there a need to provide better safety and security for all members of congress? congressman, first? >> well, i think so. i have... a really feel very strongly that we ought to take a look at our msa accounts, and, rather than cut, cut, cut, we ought to look at whether or not we may need to beef up the funding for individual accounts, so that congress people can work with the state and local law enforcement officers, and, the state law enforcement division here in south carolina, i want to thank them for reaching out to me yesterday and the mayor called last night and i noticed in my neighborhood, and in front of our house, there was additional security. but, i do believe that they can supplement and cannot substitute and so, i think we need to take a hard look at even how members go through airports, and i really believe that that is the place where we feel the most ill at ease, is going through airports and so, tsa, i think, need to begin to interact with the capitol hill police, a little better and we have some incidents where tsa authorities think congress people should be treated like everybody else and, well, the fact of the matter is, we are all held to a higher standard in so many other areas and, i think we need to take a hard look at exactly how the tsa interacts with members of congress. >> bret: i guess the question, first of all, are you for increasing security, congresswoman and, will the one tragic event change how elected officials interact with their constituents? >> we need to make sure we are smart and respond appropriately to this incident. i am concerned about putting up more walls between myself and the people that i represent. i make it a priority to respond to the e-mails, to the telephone calls and have the town hall meetings because it is fundamental to our representative government that people feel like they can interact with us and their voices are heard throughout the process. and, so i want to make sure that we are looking at it and we are making an appropriate response that we as members are being smart in our interactions and the capital police, they do a great job of -- >> bret: are you worried about your security? >> i... i feel as the capitol police do a great job of warning us, of helping us, and our staff, be smart when we're in the district and there were different times when they might advise to us take certain steps and i'll lean on them to continue to advise us. >> bret: congresswoman, you are in the republican leadership and last night house majority leader eric cantor put out a statement saying: "all legislation currently scheduled to be considered by the house of representatives next week is being postponed so that we can take whatever actions may be necessary in light of the tragedy." of course the house was scheduled to vote on the repeal of the health care law on wednesday. what was behind the decision? >> well in light of yesterday's tragedy, our focus has changed. the focus of congress as well as the focus of millions of americans, all across this country. we are focused on what happened in arizona. and we need to make sure that we are responding appropriately to that tragedy before we get involved in the legislative business of congress. >> bret: how would you respond to someone who might say that means the bad guys won? the wackos won by the one violent incident have been able to change the legislative agenda for the 112th congress? >> we are taking more time. the repeal of health care is a top priority for the new majority in congress, we believe that that bill needs to be repealed and replaced with a much better approach to ensuring that we have quality and affordable health care in this country. and, that continues to be a high priority, for the house republicans and the new majority. we are going to wait and make sure we are responding appropriately to the current situation. >> bret: is it because the threats previously have been tied or centered around health care? >> i think it is just that we need more time to make sure that congress is focused on what happened yesterday, rather than -- you know, i think all of our thoughts and our minds are elsewhere, right now, and, we just need to have more time. >> bret: congressman clyburn, what, if anything, does this attack say about the political discourse in the u.s.? >> i think it says a lot. i think, the mayor -- i'm sorry. the sheriff out there, in tucson, i think has it right. words do have consequences, and i think that we have to really -- and this is nothing new. i have said this for a long time now. we are getting ready the celebrate, this weekend, the birthday of martin luther king, jr. who admonished us that we are going to regret in this generation not just for the vitriolic words and deeds of bad people, but, for the appalling silence of good people and i think, what has happened here is that the vitriol has gotten so elevated until people feel emboldened by this and people who are a little less than stable and people aren't thinking for themselves, and are so easily influenced, they go out and do things all of us pay a great price for. i applaud the republican leadership for doing what they have done in the instance, to give everybody a chance to step back and take a hard look at this and decide how to move forward. >> bret: congressman, as you know, tea party groups condemned the attack, and this is from one of the groups, tea party nation, at a time like this it is terrible we have to think about politics but, no matter the shooter's motivations, the left is going to blame this on the tea party movement. while we need to make a moment -- take a moment, rather, to extend our sympathies to the families of those who died, we cannot allow the hard left to do what it tried to do in 1995, after the oklahoma city bombing. within the entire political spectrum, there are extremists, both on the left and the right. violence of this nature should be decried by everyone and not used for political gain. how do you respond to that, sir? >> well, i would say this to the gentleman that wrote that: the fact of the matter is, we just came out of an election. we saw a candidate for the u.s. senate, saying if he can't get what you want at the ballot box, let's seek second amendment remedies. what does that mean? that is a very vitriolic statement and i think that somebody is responsible for speaking up... announcing that kind of stuff. when you don't denounce it, people ratchet it up and people get to a point where you cross the line. and, i think that in this instance this issue crossed the line. and, i believe that those of us who are in the responsible positions, owe it to the country and owe it to ourselves, owe it to this great institution of -- we call the united states congress, to speak out against this kind of rhetoric, because, if we don't, it will keep ratcheting up, up, and up, and before you know it, as martin luther king, jr. admonished us, the people of ill will would have won the debate. >> megyn: representative rogers? >> without a doubt, the political rhetoric increased across the board and inflammatory remarks, and, republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, tea party activists all condemned what happened in arizona and, i think it is important to remember they was an individual 22 years old, he dropped out of high school, as far as we know, is not tied to a political movement and this wasn't a politically motivated act, you know? his favorite books are the communist manifesto and mein kampf and it is important to recognize this is an individual that has mental challenges, and is -- we need to act appropriately, in dealing with him and making sure that justice prevails. >> bret: and the investigation continues, congresswoman rogers, congressman clyburn, thank you both for talking with us today, on this tough day. >> thank you so much for having me. >> bret: more later with our panel, also, up next with two new senators, we'll be right back. >> bret: joining us now, two new members of the u.s. senate, rand paul, republican, from kentucky, joins us from there, and, democratic chris coons, comes to us from his home state of delaware. senators, welcome to fox news sunday. >> good morning. >> thanks, bret. >> bret: thanks for being with us. i'll ask you the same question i asked representatives clyburn and rogers to start off here about the tragedy in arizona. does the shooting say anything about this political discourse in the u.s. and does it change anything in washington? senator paul, first do you. >> i think most importantly, in the initial stages here, we need to emphasize the humanity and the tragedy of this whole thing. you know, we are people like anybody else, representative giffords has a family and children and i think that is what is most important, that we talk about the tragedy and how awful this is, and before we take the step beyond that, you know, once you do take a step beyond that, i looked at some of the writings of this young man, and, from a medical point of view, there is a lot to suggest paranoid schizophrenia, and this man was a sick individual and, absolutely, we need to condemn the violence an absolutely, we need to have our prayers and our thoughts with those who suffered from the violence. >> bret: senator coons? >> we have been praying for gabby and her family and all the victims of yesterday's attack in tucson and this kind of senseless violence is never appropriate in our country, and least of all, when it is directed at somebody, like congresswoman giffords, who is a caring and energetic and engaged and committed public servant who was working hard to try and improve the lives of her constituents. and we spent much of yesterday afternoon in horror watching as it unfolded and i think as senator paul says, all of us need to be mindful of the fact that this was an act of a dae ringed individual and we need -- deranged individual and we need to be cautious and concerned about our security and also rededicated to the work of trying to serve our constituents and remaining active and engaged in the institution of the congress and moving ahead to tackle the very real challenges ahead of us. and as i first met gabby, roughly a decade ago she impressed me as someone who was a tireless and dedicated public servant and i hope we all move forward and in a positive way reduce the heated rhetoric of the election campaign and move towards the real challenges that lie ahead of us. >> gregg: senator coons, do you think the incident will reignite efforts by gun control advocates to push for revision in gun laws. >> well, i do think we need to responsibly enforce the existing gun laws that place barriers for those who are mentally unstable to gun ownership or gun use and i think we need to move forward towards the biggest challenges in front of us, making sure we get manneamericans back to work tackling deficit and debt and dealing with the conflict in afghanistan. there are big challenges in front of us and i frankly think that is what congress needs to be focused on. >> bret: senator paul, arizona is one of three states where you can carry a concealed weapon without a permit, alaska and vermont they're other two. is that at all in jeopardy, do you think? >> no, i don't think so, and, interestingly, you know, representative giffords was a defender of the 2nd amendment and is a defender of the 2nd amendment and no, i don't think it plays into this at all and i don't think this really, i think they are unrelated. it is probably about a very sick individual, and what should have been done for that person but the weapons don't kill people, it is the individual that kills these people. >> bret: this is obviously on the minds of all of the members of congress and as we heard the house is delaying its action on health care, but, there are a lot of legislative things to talk about, coming up, very soon. there has been a lot of 0 talk about the upcoming vote to raise the federal debt ceiling. as you can see, by this chart, congress has done it many times before. but, treasury secretary tim geithner said thursday that the country's current debt limit, you see it here, $14.29 trillion, could be reached as early as march 31. and the question to both of you: do you know specifically what will happen if the debt ceiling is not raised? in specifics, senator paul, first. >> well, i can't imagine voting to raise the debt ceiling unless we will change our ways in washington. so, i'm proposing that we link to raising the debt ceiling, we link a balanced budget rule, iron-clad rule they cannot evade, and they've shown themselves to be untrustworth d untrustworthyuntrustworthyn. you are right they raise it and never change anything, if we attach spending cuts to it, that is not enough. we have to change the rules and say to washington, balance the budget. you have to do it by law, and then i'll vote to raise the debt ceiling, but only if we have an iron-clad balanced budget rule we attach to the debt ceiling. >> bret: senator paul, we have heard the administration, austan goolsbee and treasury secretary geithner'ses l letter about wha potentially could happen to the economy in a defaulted and do you have a sense of what could happen, if the vote fails. >> it is interesting, the president's advisors say this but in 2006, then senator obama voted against raising the debt ceiling and said it would be irresponsible to raise the debt ceiling and it was a failure of our leadership to control the debt. so, it is a little disingenuous now to say the sky is falling, you absolutely have to do it. i think it is an either/or fallacy and they say either raise it or the sky will fall and the end of the economy will happen and what about an in-between solution? what about, we spend what we take in and bring in $200 billion a month. couldn't we just spend what we have, instead of saying, oh, we have to shut down government? we could still spend $200 billion a month, or over $2 trillion a year without raising the debt ceiling. and they don't tell you there is an alternative. >> bret: senator coons, your response to that? >> this is a fundamentally different issue and the possibility of shutting down government. back in 1995, the new speaker of the house, newt gingrich and then president clinton got into a big contest about federal spending and ultimately shut down the government, for a brief period of time. and, while that was disruptive and difficult and led to a path forward, on budget resolution, the -- defaulting on the american debt is fundamentally different and i believe secretary geithner and the letter he sent to all of us, raising the alarm the potential consequences of failure to meet america's legal obligation, to fail to raise our debt ceiling in the short-term, has dramatically negative consequences and we don't want to be counted among the reckless an irresponsible countries that failed to meet their obligation, like greece or spain, and have to be bailed out by other countries around the world. i agree. we do need to make progress in reducing federal spending and tackling our deficit, but it took a long time to work our way into this problem. and, it will take hard and responsible work to get or way out of it. >> bret: senator coons you said in an interview two months ago: "in order to be comfortable voting to raise the debt ceiling i'm going to need to see we are making progress in tackling the deficit and the debt." senator, are you prepared to block the increase of the debt ceiling if it's not paired with real deficit reductions? real spending cuts? >> i'm going to be looking for us to begin the path toward spending reduction. to making sure that we are serious about, tackling our tax system and beginning tax reform and have concerns about the bipartisan tax package we passed at the end of the lame duck session but as i listened to advice from economists and folks of the administration and senior members of the senate i was convinced in the economy as we are just beginning a recovery, we needed to extend tax relief and put together a path, the package that the last congress did. in which i served. i do think moving forward, we shouldn't play a political game of chicken with raising the debt ceiling and the consequences are just too great. but i am going to be working hard with others in my caucus and across the aisle to begin the process of putting together responsible spending cuts, and movement towards reducing america's debt. >> bret: senator paul, this is what senate majority leader harry reid said this week, about the tea party." the tea party was born because of the economy. the economy is probably the worst it has ever been, except for maybe the great depression. the tea party will disappear. as soon that's economy gets better and the economy is getting better all the time." your reaction to that? >> well, as someone who came from the tea party, i can tell you that the tea party is a staying force. it's a force that is critical of both republicans and democrats. and, wants them to do something about the deficit. you know, they say they are worried about what will happen if we don't raise the debt ceiling. we are worried about a $14 trillion deficit. and we are worried that it is unsustainable and threatens the foundation of our economy. and i don't think it will be tinkering at things here. we have to have fundamental -- at the edges here, we have to force washington to balance the budget and we need reform and we need to link it to the debt ceiling because, strategically it will allow us to get the reforms we need, because i think the votes will be there to raise the debt ceiling, but, let's make sure that if they raise the debt ceiling, they fix some of the budgetary problems we have. >> bret: senator coons, last question for you. you were critical of wall street's business practices in your campaign. you called wall street banks reckless saying wall street greed damaged american families and in light of all of that, what do you make of president obama's choice of bill daley? jpmorgan chase executive, as his new chief of staff and gene sperling, a goldman sachs consultant as his chief economic advisor? >> well, as i have gone up and down the state of delaware as a senator, i have been -- had the opportunity to meet with business leaders, with those who own and run small businesses and large business leaders and with folks in the farming community and seniors and veterans and i hear the same concerns over and over. they want us to focus in congress on getting the economy back to work, on creating high-wage jobs and, if the administration is making a change in leadership, that brings into leadership folks with more experience in the private sector, who have got more ability to work across the aisle, that is a choice the president is making. and i think -- >> bret: despite the fact you -- >> a positive relationship with the private sector. >> bret: despite things you said during the campaign, about the banks and the banks the gentlemen work -- >> i wasn't saying in the campaign bankers are bad people, i'm saying there was reckless and irresponsible behavior and part of that was because of a lack of appropriate oversight and regulation and part of it was because we pulled out some of the critical circuit-breakers that were put in place after the depression. it was a bipartisan effort. and, it took a long time for us to build to the place where wall street and ultimately our economy failed. but, we are making progress coming out of this recession. we are beginning to recover. and the president will make whatever choices he will of leadership and bill daley is someone weather a lith a lot ofe at the senior level, public and private sector and i look forward to working with him as we tackle the tough challenges in front of us. >> bret: senators, thanks for being here and rolling with the punches here on a tough day in washington. >> thank you, bret. >> bret: coming up the sunday panel is here and we'll talk about the shooting in arizona and what it means in washington. after the break. anks to the venture card from capital o, we get double miles on every purchase. so we earned a trip to new orlns twice as fast! bebebebebebaaa! we get double miles every time we e our card, no matter what we're buying. i'll take it. and since double miles add up fast, we can bring the whole gang. fire! 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>> horrible thing. disturbing, even a little depressing. you hear the prescriptions now beginning to be suggested as to how we might address this, better security for congressional members, i suppose that would help. you are hearing remarks about the nature of american discourse, it is way too early to know what affect american discourse of any kind had on someone who appears from all accounts to be quite deranged. i would say we inhabit an open seet society where public officials intermingle openly and freely with their constituents and others and i think this is part of the risks of democracy. it is a remarkable thing, really, when you see how exposed members of congress and other officials are to the public, that there is not more of this sort of thing. but this is a case where it happens every now and then in america, someone goes on a murderous shooting rampage. that apepears to have happened here. >> bret: brit said it is too early to have a political discourse -- >> that doesn't mean people aren't doing it. i don't know if there was a connection between political discourse and what happened, he sounds like he was really deranged and had voices in his head and ram bbled on and, he w at the place, where the extreme left and the extreme right meeting, but that being said, there is already, unfortunately, a lot of blame being swung around and i think the conversation about whether political discourse in this country has gone too far, in some cases is a good one to have but does not mean it is the cause of what happened in arizona but i think it would be better for political discourse if people don't call each other fascists and socialists s and nazis and hitler and whether it would have prevented anything that happened, yesterday is not clear. >> bret: bill? >> it is disturbing and, depressing and, i guess one has to focus on the victims, obviously, as one should and they are in or prayers and also on the killer who is obviously a deranged person. but, this like many other american tragedy there are acts of heroism and it is worth saying that, because in a country of 300 million people there will be deranged killers unfortunately and also will be people who rise to the occasion and the 20-year-old intern, daniel hernandez who worked in gabrielle giffords's off the, was working at a table, and people were checking in and the shots rang out and he ran over to her, and helped other people actually attend to the other victims and knew something about emergency medical care and attended to congresswoman giffords and staunched the bleeding and some doctors say, saved her life and showed incredible poise and courage. >> bret: and the nine-year-old girl, elected to the student council, brought by her neighbor. >> to learn about how government works. >> bret: your thoughts on this? >> as everyone said it is horrific and chills you and makes you worry about a free and open government and our government relies on the idea you can speak to your elected leaders and tell them what you think. but is doesn't mean that you should be free to attack people. now, to get to the quick summation people are rushing through here and i think it is important to say this, as one left of center, you cannot just blame it on some kind of right wing rhetoric. i mean, clearly i think the kid was unstable, and, there are connections between him and the group, american renaissance, i believe they are called, and, they are strongly anti-immigrant, anti-semitic and anti-government, so i think there is the temptation to say, oh, this is the result of right wing attacks. but, you know, my sense is that, let's wait a second and let's make sure about any kind of connections. if you go back to 1995 and the oklahoma city bombing people said it was to the benefit of democrats at that time and helped the country to become more supportive of president clinton when he attacked the right wing for their kind of -- vitriol at that time and i hope people do not make it into a political debate at this moment and i do have worries about arizona and the sheriff said it yesterday, there is too much anti-immigrant fervor going on in arizona and, come people call it the new birmingham, because of the intolerance demonstrated in much of the state and i think the people in arizona have to stop for a second and think about exactly why they are so angry and why this incident happened in arizona. >> bret: what is next? president obama obviously sent his fbi director, robert mueller there and met with the national security team and we saw the pictures of that yesterday and saw him calling all of these officials. what is next and how do you think the administration handles this, going forward. >> well, obviously, he's got the head of the fbi out there, and, that places a certain obvious extraordinary priority on the investigation an case and presumably the case ahead we'll learn about this chain of events that happened and exactly what the course of this young man's life was that led him to this hideous day. and, no doubt there will be a wave of attempts to blame this on the characters, and the national discourse and the political atmosphere in arizona and the sheriff popping off, as juan thought was sell said, i thought was extremely premature and unwise of him to say and seems to me, when somebody -- who obviously has more than one screw looses does something as insane as this and is violent and brutal, that attributing it to any kind of coherent political philosophy is a stretch and we'd do well not to go there. >> wouldn't you say, brit, that in fact in this era of obama, that a lot of the things that are said about politicians and especially in the course of the health care discussion, and shouting at -- don't you think things have become a little bit more angry in our times, would that be fair to say and that is why i think -- though i agree with you, some have a bases instinct to try and make political hay out of it. >> what i would say -- i think people are trying to make political hay out of the it but not perhaps in the way you suggest. all of these things are -- we are beginning to hear now, pinning responsibility on right wing radio show hosts and others, the same things we heard back at the time of the timothy mcveigh, the oklahoma city bombing and we have heard all of this before and we have been through the cycle before and that never led anywhere... >> you don't think things are a little bit higher in terms of the tenor -- >> on the lunatic fringe they are always high and obviously were high in this case. >> bret: bill what about the decision by house republican leadership to put off the repeal vote on wednesday as a result of the tragedy? i asked the congresswoman about that, you know, shifting the schedule. >> you know, they are putting off this votes and business of the house for a week and i suppose that is a reasonable thing to do. probably a reasonable thing to do in light of the shock of this. and a congresswoman being critically wounded and, her staff member being killed and i wouldn't second guess that. they'll have to get back to work, and obviously people will have to vote the way they think is right for the country and i don't think it will end up having, honestly, much political effect and there is a kind of... assumes the voters -- the voters have views about what the health care system should be and whether we should fight the war in afghanistan or not and will not change their mind because of a terrible attack by a deranged young man on a congresswoman -- >> i think it will make people think twice before they use metaphors in politics, fascist, nazi... not because the rhetoric caused it but will have a cautionary and positive effect. >> let me -- let me... you want to call someone a fascist that is one thing and is obviously over the top, and fascism is not -- an nazid nazis, but socialis there are people on capitol hill, their socialists -- >> kinds of things, we would defend our country, using military means against, some people would defend our country against communism and socialism, et cetera. >> bret: does it change how lawmakers interact with constituents? does security change? does the dynamic change because of the incident. >> yesterday i had a conversation just by coincidence in a mall with a congresswoman and she said, yes, she will not be exposed in this way and wants more security and i imagine she's not singular on her views, and i heard others, putting more money into security and, i understand they need security but that is not good in terms of the -- diminishing the amount of contact, and we agree. you cannot -- you have to be able to talk to your congressman and say i disagree. >> bret: we'll leave it there, we have to take a break here and we'll be right back. [applause]. >> bret: that was the scene wednesday when john boehner became speaker of the house. we're back with the panel now, the 112th session of congress is underway. brit? how are they doing? >> well, the republicans it seems to me got off to a reasonably greason good start and john boehner got off to a reasonably good start, and the held back the tears, and, he managed to speak for a briefer period of time than nancy pelosi did, and she still seemed self absorbed but was gracious to him at the end and most of what happened was ceremonial and i would say it was instructive to watch the reading of the constitution of its entirety, the practice now, in some corridors and an you illuminating moment, and, one "time" magazine reporter, talked about the fetish with them reading the constitution, and, the people when they take the oath, they take it not to the country, and the constituents, it is to the constitution and, i feel it is appropriate and most of america, i'm sure feels the way. >> bret: we talked about the delay because of the tragedy in arizona, pushing back the health care repeal vote but it is a delay and they'll still do it and will have spending provisions that will come up in a few days. >> they were up to a good start and two guys didn't show up for the oath of office and lavish fund-raisers that struck some people in the tea party, in particular as wrong, and, ill-advised, plus now they've got two big substantive problems and have to find the $100 billion of spending cuts, which will be harder than they thought and they are talking of scaling it back and the repeal of health care which i think will go forward even if it is delayed and the problem with that is, it seems like they want to rush it through and get it over with and send it into oblivion and there are no hearings and they haven't got the replacement bill and have always promised to repeal and replace and you don't know what they will replace it with and almost seems like they want to quickly, and perfunctoryly, take it to their constituents and if they want, to they that have to replace it and show what they are actually for. >> bret: the biggest news of the week was the shift at the white house with bill daley from the clinton administration, announced that's new chief of staff and that brought howling from the left. >> good to see, yeah. and, i met him when he was brought to washington from chicago in 1993 with bill clinton, a special aide, and, with the nafta free trade agreement and, most democrats were against that, and, the i was with a republican organization at the time and i met bill daley then, and as president's chief of staff he wants to shepard a lot more free trade, and pro business measures through congress and i'm for it and gene sperling will become the senior economic advisor and is a moderate democratic and another clinton administration veteran and, the people who walked in the clinton administration, they are sitting by their phone, feeling deeply wounded, wondering, where is my phone call! and, so that is -- and bill daley was secretary of commerce, in clinton's second term and i know for a fact he's talked to a lot of business leaders and said we want jobs and want to get the economy going, and what can we do and has been told by a lot of them, taxes, are down the next couple of years and want them to reduce spending and regulation and the one test of whether he's really making a difference there is whether he reins in the agencies especially environmental protection agency, which are heaping huge burdens on businesses. >> bret: how much did this tell us about the administration and the president and his re-election effort. >> it says a lot and i think that is the cause of all of the ire on the left, the thought is he is making friends with wall street in particular, and, in order to bulk up his re-election treasure. and, those are folks that he feels are necessary to right assure even as we are in a situation where much of america and certainly, the left, remains in frustration with the behavior of wall street and the fact that these big corporations are sitting on trillions of dollars in terms of capital, not investing it in jobs and the economy and why make friend with big business but bill daley is big business and that is why the chamber of commerce which has been after the obama administration on so many fronts, is hailing bill daley. that is why you know, it is a surprise that all of a sudden, you see people on the right, and, they say, we love bill daley and people who have been at obama's base are like, what is going on here? why all of a sudden? but, it is obvious it has to do with the same thing. >> in washington the personnel is policy. and, some cases that is true. it remains very much to be seen, however, whether that will prove true in this case, whether the advent of daley and james sperling, and others, perhaps, will herald a seriously different policy direction. my sense is, it probably will on some counts. i expect the president to fight to the last dog dies as bill clinton used to say, to protect the health care reform bill. which is a major bone of contention and i think on trade, possibly tax reform, perhaps, on other issues, including, perhaps, a gentler regulatory hand might be heralded here and it would do two things, calm the efforts on capitol hill and, help with the president's re-election effort. >> bret: thank you, panel. when we come back, a final word regarding congresswoman gabrielle giffords. boss: and now i'll turn it over to the gecko. gecko: ah, thank you, sir. as we all know, geico has been saving people money on rv, camper and trailer insurance... ...as well as motorcycle insurance... gecko: oh...sorry, technical difficulties. boss: uh...what about this? 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