rivalry between cabinet secretaries and the vice president. i think it is a drive to turn out views. we are long ways away from 2024. >> griff: it is. but as alex said, there are staffers telling politico and what we were showing there, that they are not backing away from possibility of a buddha judge candidacy. also, sources telling politico that harris staffers are frustrated to see this. is this, we are not even a year into this administration, is this a pivot? or is this perhaps mayor pete trying to elevate beyond transportation secretary? >> i think it is a combination of both. a couple of things worth keeping in mind. first, secretary buttigieg and the last decade has run for mayor, which he won, he run for straight treasurer which he lost, he run for chair of the dnc which he lost. and he went ran for president of