rule. and so if pilots and members of southwest crew did decide to call in sick or not appear, they wouldn't be coming on your show to say that is what they did. they can get in big trouble. it does appear that when you look at the situation what is most likely the cause -- unlike many other airlines of the big proportion of southwest pilots are former military. they know the price of freedom they know what it cost to interior civil rights and maybe they're sending a message to other employees around the message if you want to secure civil and individual rights you need to act yourselves because if you don't do it, who will? >> shannon: as employers try to staff up all kinds of businesses in places like hospitals and airlines, these people are critical. i want to make sure to ask you about this case of this doctor. i know you have gotten involved.