so, he will be kept on the campaign trail-- i think off the campaign trail. i think the biggest thing is the wear and tear on him as a human being. this is really tough and it's not pleasant and i'm sure it's going to wear on him despite the fact he's an energetic guy. neil: he's a clever campaigner. he's making lemonade out of the lemons he's dealt and taking a trip to chick-fil-a and the trip to a bodega. and he scored points doing that, i don't know how often. but you can find some opportunities there. how do you think that part is going? >> look, you're right. think about it, when he gets in the situation and just do the contrast between him and joe biden and who wins that picture, if you will, every time. the bodega, i thought was brilliant and how many opportunities will he have in easy striking distance of the courthouse and the stop in