specific and clear recollection of this conversation with the president and your conversation with ambassador sondland? >> yeah. so this was a very distinctive experience. i've never seen anything like this in my foreign service career. someone at a lunch in a restaurant making a call on a cell phone to the president of the united states. being able to hear his voice, very distinctive personality as we've all seen on television. very colorful language was used. they were directly addressing something that i had been wondering about working on for weeks and even months. a topic that had led to the recall of my former boss, the former ambassador. and so here was a person who said he had direct contact with the president and had said that over the course of time. here he is actually having that contact with the president. hearing the president's voice and then talking about this