there are not more people across the border, in eastern cities of kharkiv, and others, it's impossible to get to western ukraine and across the border into poland. but if the ceasefire in certain areas takes hold and the humanitarian corridors are opened up, we could see hundreds of thousands more people, if not millions fleeing suddenly for that border with poland. >> exactly. it's a really good point. if you think about this particular family, for example, that's three days at least, right, since they left. they are from kharkiv, so they left, they make it to kyiv and then they finally make it here and the other thing we heard, we were speaking to someone else who made it here yesterday from lviv, in the western part of the country where it's been relatively safe and what she also added to us, adds to what you are saying, that part of the country is getting really crowded. it's almost impossible to get on a train in lviv, so many people