sent e-mail a couple weeks ago and said it could add more than -- not sure what that is, could add 4 trillion to the debt. they are saying this is paid for, it is not because cfrb says could add to debt and real cost 5 to 5.5 trillion dollars. what do you think? >> mark: john, why are you spreading misinformation, it is free, zero, didn't you hear the president the other day? why are you telling people lies? >> john: somebody said the logic of that, if you pay for a meal, you can say it was free because it was paid for. >> mark: yeah, i paid my son's college bill, i paid for it, earned the money, college is free, paid for. this is absurd. also, the tax increases they want to do are $2 trillion, if you take them at their word that is 3.5 trillion,