desantis has been courting that vote. you look at those urban counties, nikki haley would be expected to run strong in those counties. those are the counties that marco rubio won, he won five counties in 2016. not enough to win the caucuses but especially if she runs up the vote in the urban counties to have the -- meet the goal of doing well in iowa. >> john: and if 2016 is any indication, keep an eye on calhoun county. percentages out of that one county mirrored what happened statewide pretty accurately. great to talk to you. >> sandra: good stuff, john. as we have seen in public displays, president biden sometimes loves to tout his close relationship with his former boss, president obama. is there a growing divide over biden's 2024 campaign strategy.