Tracy byrnes and for gerri willis. It wont be long until more than 500 billion in tax hikes hit americas wallets. That isnt yours and mine. Congress is out for held for a long weekend. John boehner skipping town. Those sourcesay his meeting with the president failed to make any progress to avert the fiscal cliff. Even if washington doesnt get its act together, there are steps you can take to lower your tax burden next year. You can empower yourself. In a moment, we are going to get advice from the founder and president of diverse financial consulting. It looks Like Congress will have no choice but to punt the fical cliff debate until next year. We have a guest from the cato institute. Sequestration kicks in, maybe talked about . I certainly agree with the sequestration part. We should be able to find 100 belden and spending cuts. We should be able to find 50 billion in spending cuts the front. I think the sequestration and spending cuts should happen. Unfortunately, many of the tax increase if we dont do something about taxes, i think it makes it harder to go back and extend any of the tax cuts next year. So we might find ourselves in the worst of both worlds. I still give it about a 55050 chance that theyy come up with some sort of deal. But if they do, it wont be until christmas eve. Tracy for new years eve at our . Yes. Tracy most likely the deal will be extend middleclass tax cuts, wait until next year on the wealthy to discuss, basically we on everything until next year. When you do that, you know, you give up part of your bargaining power. Should we come back in january and see a tax cut for the wealthy . Republicans need to regain and have leverage. Pushback against the president , restate their position that it is not the spending issue. Anything to kick the can down the road. Any sort of real entitlement reform, i can see cant see that happening before the end of the yearr that is really driven by first, last, and second medicare spending. Tracy two thirds what comes in the country goes out the door to pay for all of these entitlements. You know, fox news did a poll. 61 of voters say we have to cut spending. The americaneople get it. We all visited home all year long. The government is not giving in. Ifhe republicans come back and say, you know what . Raise taxes on say, if you make 1 million or more. But you have to give us the spending cuts. Thk Something Like that would go through . My concern is, first of all, we sort of concede the point that we should be raising revenue. It is important to keep in mind that there are two different issues. One is the short term shortterm that we are in a recession. When the economy is strong again, revenues will go back out. Ople make more money. We will be back. If we do nothing to extend all the tax cuts, we will be back to our longterm avage of about 18 or 19 of gdp in taxes. Without keeping these. Tracy its a great point. We should be talking about the longterm budget deficits and these are driven by entitlement spending. I do think that you ook at the biggest three things, medicare, Social Security, and defense they should be on the table. I think we can do this without hurting th poor and we can cut back on medicare and Social Security in a way that doesnt sacrifice those at the bottom. I think that is doable. But he needed the programs under ntrol. 3 you need to get medical costs under control and unfortunately, the president S Health Care act, it will make medical expenses higher and not lower. Tracy you make a great point. Should obamacare be on the table during this discussions . It is part of the fiscal cliff. Whether it is increases on dividends or investment income, but keep in mind or the weaker parts of the economy has been buness investments. Why do we want to tax people in investing . Thats what we want people to do to create jobs. It is the wrong time to raise taxes on things like Capital Investment. Thats what was your economy. Some of the worst tax increases are going to come about because of obamacare. Tracy that medical device taxes one of them. Taxing on topline revenue. That is just ridiculous. An industry that is innovating and is making money right now. I am just going to pass it on. There is a myth that is going to come out of executive bonuses something. The reality is that Health Care Industry will pass these tax increases on the consumer and will actually run a health care costs. At the end of the day, thats what drives her budget problem. Tracy speaking of budgeting, this Hurricane Sandy bill that has come across the table. We get a 600 billiondollar bill for Hurricane Sandy date. Surisingly or mae not surprisingly enough, we have 23 million for Tree Planting that is most likely not in new york or new jersey. 4 million for new equipment for the fbi and 2 million that is for the nixonian root. Do they think that we are spid and that we are not going to realize what theyre doing . They really must. I was working in the senate during hurricane katrina. Just a wasteful process. We basically gave a lot of these localities a blank check, and that is being what is proposed here. Ere are billions of dollars in replacement of vehicles for government officials. Agencies should go back and get back to us rather than ask for a blank check they can buy new this and that whatever they put the money into a. Tracy thats right. We are talking aboucutting defense, and yet we have 40 million appropriated military bases, including cuba. It makes no sense to me. What this says is they still dont get it. They still dont get the pages fill free to blow our money. I agree. What they did is they are trying to use he crisis of the recession to do a massive stimulus bill that was nothing but a back to the own constituency area they are trying to use under the cover of Hurricane Sandys relief, a bunch of things going to various parts of government and constituencies. What they should do i will say by contrast tremendous amount of waste good money spread everywhere, not just on the call. At least it wasnt packed with stuff that didnt even go to the victims. It will never end up helping individual families that were impacted. It is amazing that they are using this as an excuse to expand government. Tracy it is egregious but unfortunately typical. Thank you so much for being here with us today. My pleasure be one that is so sad. It is affecting confidence everywhere, especially in the Small Business world. Our Business Confidence plunging to the lowest levels in history. This is according to the latest report by the National Federation of independent businesses. They feel that owners are fearing the worst when it comes to congress and the fiscal cliff. With more on the president s business policies, expert carol roth. Im glad youre with us. I actually had the pleasure of interviewing the nfib chief economist. He said that you wouldve thought that confidence was down because of Hurricane Sandy, but it wasnt. It was because of the election. People fear the future. These are our job creators to absolutely. They are paralyzed. They are not sure what to expect. The longerwe go on with fiscal cliff nonsense, and then we have obamacare, which then a lot of them will have to endure in some way shape or form, everybody is very concerned about that. In the face of uncertainty, the choices do notng. It is very difficult to play a game if you dont where thh rules are. The Small Business community is kind of sitting on the sidelines awaiting, and thats not what we want from the job creators were country. Its interesting because we saw cap tech spending for Big Companies come to a screeching halt. We are starting to see it with sml businesses now as well. Everyone is just in this holding pattern, we . Absolutely. A Small Business owner, a Capital Investment and hiring of an individual person is such a longterm name. It is such a bigger impact tn it is for the company. They are taking those decisions and making them a lot more slow. They dont know what is coming up ahead. You are seeing it on the big business side, youre seeing it on the Small Business site. One of the things that is overlooked is how many smallbusiness owners are being affected. You keep hearing the rich, the rich, the rich. The rich are based on ese 250,000dollar cut off or more per year burners, a lot of Small Business owners get taxed for their income. Tracy this is important to point out. When you are a Small Business, especially when you were youre starting out, you file a schedule see. It is part of your individual tax return. You bring in some business income, it is not a lot of money at the end of the day. It is not a lot of money. The number of Small Businesses and families is about a million that are effective. Over 26 of those are smallsiness owners. I do not undersnd how taxing those smallbusiness owners, who are supposed to create jobs, will help spur the economy. I think that is where th disconnect is. Tracy Small Businesses dont have powerful lobbyists backing them up at the end of the day. Although they do have you. There is one tax that you, like myself, you agree that should go back. Yes, that is about payroll tax cut. I figure that one has to come off the table. That is basically king money away from Social Security. I dont know what a month in Social Security with the rest of the general public. The fact of the matter is that you paint your pension. You paint your 401k. We need for people to pay into their future. Social security is such a mes we cant afford to have come off the table. But i will tell you that if you take that and you take the obamacare tax, that is almost 1 of the gdp in terms of tax hikes. We cannot afford to have much more than tht, especially with the kind of growth that we have. Tracy i agree that Social Security is drowning as it is. Carol roth, thank you so much. If you are fired up about this or any other issues, write us at gerri foxbussiness. Com. Coming up on the willis report, violence and destruction of private property byunion members after the vote in michigan. But by . Lou dobbs weighs in. Apparently the federal government doesnt agree with spending problem because millions more of your tax dollars are about to be spent on new projects. We will break it down. And what is the difference between a 10dollar bottle of wine and one that cost over 10,000 . We talked one of the countrys biggest wine retailers and found biggest withe boys use and found capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. Thats double miles you can actually use. Tragically, their ddy got sacked by blackouts. But its our tradition thats roughing the card holder. But with the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. [ cheering ] any flight, anytime. The scoreboardoesnt lie. Whats in your wallet . Hut i have me on my fantasy team. Try spending taxpayers money is only a federal problem. Check this out. This atlanta mayor, approving the city council to receive wait for it 50 pay increase starting in 2014. Do they not have tv in atlanta . You heard it right. 50 . The Council Council members voted to raise their own pay earlier this month. These employers employees are also demanding that pays well. They are wanting to raise the income for these city employees. Really . Fiscal cliff . Deficit . That . Anyone . What steps can you take to lower your tax burden mr. . We have dominant from diversified financiaa consultants. You talk with them leaders. What do they say . They are working diligently to get this compromise. If you look at the economic and tax issues facing us in 2013, its going to go either bad or really bad. It is not going to be a mpromise. There is not a good scenario coming out of the picture. Even if they compromise, we are still going to be facing higher taxes and subsantial cuts in entitlements and other programs. At the end of the day, that hurts gdp in the country . The projections by the cbo, if we go to the fiscal cliff and all these things happen its gointo reduce gdp by 4 . We go, plus 22 minus two that is the worstcase scenario. One thing that is unwinnable in washington. We dont what they are going to do. 2 cut in gdp. s. Tracy even if there is nobody changed, you are still going to feel the ancillary. All of that stuff you will feel it. When you get the firt paycheck when it is 20 less per 100 less, your brain says i have to stop spending. I have to slow it down. I have to pay off debt. All good things in the long run. But in the first and second order of next year, borderline recession. Tracy people will go under their beds again. That is what happens. Tracy what can we do before the end of year . What are you telling your clients . The ideas are how i capture losses. If we ve the opportunity to shift income into next year, when do i book a piece of business . Oneway make that income show up in the following tax year . To further attacks. Paid tomorrow why pay today when you can pay tomorrow. Ese conversations are literally 180 degrees different. You want Capital Gains today. You have until december 31. Do not wait until the last minute. A 15 Capital Gains rate today. We dont know what its going to be tomorrow. Tracy we are talking about shortterm selling. We are not talking about things a great point. We always worry about taxes. Dot make any Investment Decision because of taxes. You want to separate the two. You are going to hold it for the next 20 years, we re the one. Tracy who knows whats going to happen. What about the eal este market . Economy is to be slower in the First QuarterSecond Quarter of next year. But we have some game changers. Energy, real estate, really has bottomed out. Could add 3 million jobs over the next three or five or 10 years. The last one, there are a lot of people and Companies Holding a huge amount of cash back. 1 trillion being held back. If we solve this problem, that could cast it into the economy. A boost in the second corner. Tracy thank you for slogging through. Founder and president. Thank you. Swching gears, lat we will tell you about the best wine to give at the holidays. In the meantime, we want to know what you think. What is your favorite and one viewport and i . Red or white . Logons gerriwillis. Com and vote on the righthand side of the screen. I will vote during the break. We will share the results at the end of tonights show. Cong up, dday for obamacare exchanges. States across the country are telling the white house thank you, but no thank you. The federal governments latest green project. We will have the details coming we will have the details coming up music kids will spend 15 minutes watching online videos like this one. Brushing for two minutes now, can save your child from severe tooth pain later. Two minutes twice a day. They have the time. Tracy governors across the country refusing to comply with tracy obamacare. Decision day states will let washington knowf they will know if they will set up their own Health Care Exchanges or what the federal government will do in regards to doing it for them. Herewith the latest, peter barnes, the fox business sior correspondent. More than that. We have the full screen. 18 plus washington dc said they will create theyre around. 26 states will let the federal government run it for them. Six states chose a partnership as a test run to see who works. One of the most important pieces of obamacare the Obama Administration projected 23 million would get Health Care Insurance through the exchange by 2016. Tracy more than half. Chris christie said no from the beginning. South carolina, louisiana, wiscons in said no. We will take matters into our own hands . Governors like Chris Christie have big concerns how they may operate and the fed did not give all of the details on what they want them to be and standards. Some governors held off for collison. Part of the implementation is hhs wanted to wait until after the election and not wanting to politicize the. But that eight away at the timet is available to implement. One of the things under obamacare is it can let the fed come in and set up then and set this thing up. Decide to take it over some governors are not doing it because they oppose obamacare but others are concerned it is too risky them that the federal government ago firs tracy y have a personal experience . I took a test drive. We had romneycare in massachusetts that set this up to be like the travelocity. It is fascinating. You put it in your age and if you smoke and you get a menu of choices. Of gold plan, as silver plan , of bronze plant, high deductible and low deductible and you get a price for that. Massachusetts appears to be working. Is there concern how the doctors are paid . The whole idea, a major part of obamacare is not to cover those a dont have insurance now control health care inflation. When a the outcomes is to empower the consumer raino of thirdparty, the Company Provides the health inrance plan and we pick appeal options. Acute empower the consumer they will be smarter about shopping like a flat screen tv and of the cost goes down that should mean lower payments. Tracy but it could backfire because the doctors are t they arent getting paid enough. Paid enough. You will be all over this. That will affect the doctors down the road for kraft to the break we will go inside no wine vault. What does the 10,000 bottle of wine the plight . Do people drink it . But i will join a prominent Wine Merchant for exclusive [ male announcer ] they are a glowing example of what it means to be the best. And at this special time of year, they shine even brighter. Come to the winter event and get the mercedesbenz youve always wished for, now for an exptional price. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 glk350 for 399 a month at your local mercedesbenz dealer. Tracy chris miss it is around the corner and chances are someone would love a great bottle of wine. It makes a great gift if you can get a decent bottle for under 20 but we asked a prominent Wine Merchant who invited me into his store in rockefeller center. You may be surprised. Holiday season i dont know what to bring. Can i bring a decent bottle . I hold the bottle that is very decent it is from spain and 1295 days dollars in dense senseper bottle. I dont know the menu. That does not matter for dinner. Most people think they will have it right then and there but most people have their own wine ready. It is more as a gift. You put so much time into the wind you pick. It is always safe to break a sparkled wind. Tracy i am in charge of matching. Piano in a war . It is the easiest. Smoothes and the perfect read. My wife and i drink winn from argentina. Every night white wine. Tracy started 1947 . 1970 were on the map going from a really expensive bottle. I have the opportunity to taste the wine made clear year lincoln was shot. 1865. I decided it only had the opportunity once in my life. I nt for it. I held the world record platt price of 520. It would be around 50,000 a bottle today. Tracy that was a lot of money back then. 105 years old at the time. Tracy some of the most expensive models you cuddle that like good newborn child this is so expenve and precious. 1945. I did not know we had this. 9,100. Just like real estate they do not make it any more. Tracy 1945 . How long can you hold this . Could i drink it now . Of course. Tracy i would love to. You open to the Abraham Lincoln bottle. [laughter] this was so vintage and powerful it last another 100 years. Tracy if i cannot get to manhattan how do i get it . Online. Tracy amazing. He is delaying really well. He had won online sale the day before as 60,000. Wine lovers. As we wrap up the year but what is the biggest thing to keep your eye on . Looking the other way at a shocking violence that the union rally. Lou dobbs is here. Lou dobbs is here. Next. Aah learning how to kick flip 6 stairs takes determination. So will getting into college. Ive got what it takes. So do you. Tracy spend a. Spend. Spend part of the model of the administration trillion dollar deficitshe Energy Department announces 160 million plan to build more wind farms was bring in a senior fellow from the Manhattan Institute it is almost laughable britain said the offshore wind farm is not produce as much as three thought. It is not even a good idea we still spend money. It is agreed example to show the wind industry is the most favored in america wis subsidies and mandates hang getting subsidies under the National Wildlife flawed no bearing more money at the offshore sector that would give expensive. Tracy the floating when the bill is out on the water somewhere slowly bringing powewer back . The important thing to realize what is the cost of electricity that may be generated offshore . Look at the data it is clear. The cost of offshore wind is 2. 5 times from the onshore wind turbine and five times as naturalgas. It will be extremely expensive if it is built. Tracy more money and not as much energy as we thought. What is the rationale . [laughter] part of the Obama Administration push all of the above strategy does not matter if it works. We should have a diverse portfolio for those that are viable. The view is not winter solar but in the shale revolution the subsidies are 10 times greater. Why do we neglect oil and gas . Fullcourt press to get extended and and now the subsidize re than 20 years and then they coulproduce on their own without some cities thank you for being here. Good times on a friday night. Big week for organized labor a stunning defeat in michigan and the right to work a lot that part was look covered but was largely ignored was this. Union members desperately a clinging to power violence violence, assault and destruction of private property. Will anybody be charged . Why are some looking the other way . Lou dobbs joins us tonight. This infuriates you . At the same time we should get used to the fact that daschle liberal media will make choices that are inexplicable otr than their own by as. What we watched it was conservative comedian being punched and he shows that he could take a pretty good punch but cbs, nbc left this part of the story out and so it did abc referred to the violence without specificity. They also left out Democratic State representative got a little carried away and started to talk about the undue 100 years of labor progress quoteunquote there will be blood record jimmy hoffa said there will be a civil war. This is the language that would is used time and time again but completely ignored by cbs, abc, and nbc it is truly remarkable. Tracy the president backs them . He was a jury is Lease Finance in wisconsin and now front and cent. The president considered to be part of the problem to talk about right to work is not econocs politics. He knows better than that. He knows we have seen in right to work states improving employment while the forest union states wherehey haveo pay dues, unemployment is higher. That has escaped the attention of liberal news outlets. Tracy you will talk about this . Absolutely. With the attorney general of south carolina. And also in the middle east dr. Walid phares is who is the fox middle east news analyst and expert at the top ofhe hour. Tracy dont change the channel. Tonight 7 00 and 10 00 p. M. Eastern. 2012 is wrapping up. Why arent the markets reacting to the fiscal cliff next. Tracy what is up with the market . With the threat of another recession you think the rket would be in the toilet. We have the chief investment strategist with us. All the indices up over 4 . The market is realizing in january 1st is a false deadline not lake yankees. We know that will not happen. But it seems like we will get a solution or a range from the grand bargain or kicking the can down the road. I think this this gold cliff is priced appropriately. Tracy before you said if we take a step back the companies have never been stronger. You grew up in the business with stocks. With this terrible sentiment is great for stocks technically speaking the s p looks good earnings estimates so by editor measures stocks are great. Tracy i worried about the earnings season . And seems 1 3 quarter will be the trough. Not gain busters but we thought four 5 but then next year could be double digits. What is that . They cannot fall further . [laughter] i stay away from the moneycenter banks with Balance Sheet problems. Tracy bank of new york mellon. Is on duralast. Also allstate. Tracy Illinois Tool Works . Good Global Infrastructure play global impressed reassure is in the news and even today about to Hurricane Sandy relief. That will help others. Tracy talk about apple. 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