Lois lerners hard drive was scratched not destroyed . That and more ahead on a jam packed sunday morning futures. Evidence is mounting that russias proxy war in ukraine is becoming a direct war. The u. S. And. Ukraine accusing moscow of moving heavy artillery across the border. Straight to the pro russian rebels there. Ukraines president is now calling on the United States to take an even tougher stance against russia. And for europe to follow americas lead. So are World Leaders ready to isolate moscow . Congressman peter king is the chairman of the subhouse committee on counterterrorism and intelligence on the Homeland Security committee. Good to see you, congressman. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, maria. Good to be with you. Will this new video, this obvious evidence that putin is behind taking that plane down be enough to get the world together in isolating him . Maria, not unless the president of the United States shows real leadership, unless he works for David Cameron who has done an outstanding job so far, Prime Minister tony abbott, they have to be the leaders and get the european allies to stand together on this. Its been said that, really, russia without its Energy Supplies going to europe, its basically its economy is its a gas station. I mean, this is not a real economy over there. So strong economic sanctions. Again, if all the allies are working together could really, really hurt russia. Also we should, of course, be sending more weapons to the ukrainians so they can resist and fight back. But, again, combined effort by the allies, that is going to take, really, aggressive leadership by the president. He cant just be traveling around the country doing fundraisers. And i would suggest, for instance, that we cut off the u. S. Banking system to stateowned russian companies. If they cant move their money towards the United States, their currency becomes worthless. A lot of important points that you are making right here. I want to get back to a number of them. But let me get a status check from you. What do we know right now in terms of russia firing at ukraine and really getting behind this and being the instigator . Well, weve known all along that it was russia which provided the rockets to the Ukrainian Forces and to me that makes them criminally culpable and liable. We also know that they are now sending in increased amounts of weaponry, really heavy duty weapons coming from russia into ukraine and also theres now evidence that theres rockets being fired from the russian side of the border. Theres no doubt that putin is behind this. Theres no doubt that putin is dramatically increasing the russian imports, you would have thought in a real world after what happened with the malaysian jet, he would back off for a while. But no, hes more aggressive than ever. As hes doing that, our president is more and more just not seen. Theres so many things we could be doing. Also, i could mention we could begin talking of a boycott of the world cup in 2018. That means a lot to the russians, to their pride, to their economy. Again, president obama is missing in action on this. I want to get to all of those things you just mentioned. Lets look at russias role in ukraine. Has the country brought its shadow war to life . Eric shawn is with us with that angle. Good morning. Good morning, maria, and good morning, everybody. It seems the russians will lie about this disaster, claiming the airliner was downed by a ukrainian war jet, not one of its sophisticated Missile Systems smuggled across the border and spirited back home to try and hide the evidence. Reports say the rebels have been placing parts of a shot down ukrainian war plane among the airliner records to try and pin the blame on kiev instead of mosc moscow. And the state department has released these photographs. It says they show the russians have been firing across the border at the Ukraine Military using rocket launches. Poroshenko has pleaded for more, calling against tougher sanctions in russia. He writes, quote, my country needs help in facing the threat from russia. Russia has tested us with its transfer of cash, weapons, and other equipment to the separatists. And its vast eye tan western antipropaganda campaign, but we will not yield to its interference. He says russia is giving Missile Systems to the rebels and doing that is like he says giving a handgun to a child. But others, like former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, defense the white house russian strategy. The reset works. It was a an effort to try to obtain russian cooperation on some key objectives. While medvedev was president. He gave medvedev a certain amount of independence to negotiate. Meanwhile, as congressman king indicated, they continue to say that russia is pouring in more military equipment to the rebels. It demands now built on capitol hill for the u. S. To provide military systems for ukraine, not just nonlethal items like mres. This morning, the New York Times says the pentagon could target the rebels missiles but has yet to do so. Eric, thanks very much. Eric shawn with the latest there. More now with conman peter king. Congressman, we were just looking at those satellite pictures. We have more satellite pictures that actually confirm that the russias are behind taking on that ma rashan jet. Why arent we being more aggressive with the russians again now that we see this evidence in front of us with these satellite pictures. Its a failure of will. Its a failure of leadership. And europeans believe that they depend on russia for the r for their Energy Supplies. As a result of that, theyre backing away. In addition to that, the other european nations dont want to engage russia because theyre afraid of the cutoff in their Energy Supplies which is wrong. The United States is more energy than we can provide to western allies. If we were just, again, increase our exports, increase our production, but also russia needs us more than we need them. The european allies, if we had a firm leader in this country, and i cant believe Hillary Clinton is praising the reset button. That was a failure in policy if ever, an absolute failure in american policy. It gave putin a few run. But i dont want to oversimplify this. We need leadership and were not getting it. The brits are giving it, the australians are giving it. The french is still talking about selling warships to the russians. Theyre not going to get in line unless we show that standing up to putin is more important than fundraising on the west coast. But why is obama not more aggressive here . Youre right, he was in all of those fundraisers over the last week and a half while all of this is going on. Hillary clinton just said that the reset work. Is this Administration Just unaware of who putin is 12347 . Somehow they come into this back in 2009 thinking that all the problems in the world were because of george bush, that our troubles were russia were because of george bush. And somehow if we reached out the hand of friendship, if we pressed the reset button, if we turned on other check, that somehow putin and the rest of the world arent going to respond. Weve seen what putin has done. Putin has become more and more aggressive and our allies are becoming more and more passive. If anything has been shown over the last 75 years is that the western world only acts together and only demonstrates strength when theres american leadership, whether its harry truman or eisenhower or ronald reagan. The fact is, the western world needs strong leadership in the u. S. We dont need a president who equivocates. We dont need a president who only shows moral equivalency. Whats next . You mentioned a moment ago that we should be getting the banks in the u. S. To get a lot har ru mentioned the u. S. Needing to send artillery to ukraine. Are these two things youre going to be pushing for in the coming weeks . Im certainly going to be pushing for that and im sure other members of congress will, as well. We realize this administration is not getting the job done. This has been such a failure in leadership, the fact that you have the ukrainian president and the Prime Minister begging for support, and the fact that putin just impunity, the fact that business for the most part is going on as usual with russia, yes, theres some sanctions, but theyre having no real impact. And when the russians look to us and were saying we should have stronger sanctions in terms of the president , talking about more sanctions and then hes silent, he disappears, theyre content to disappear. The european philosophy, if mshg leads, theyre not going to line up. Again, what the french are doing as far as their deals with russia is absolutely shameful and disgraceful. These other countries, the same way. Again, where is the United States . President obama should be there. He should be in the forefront. This is a strong message that we should be sending and, instead, you have Hillary Clinton talking about the reset button. Congressman, well be watching your efforts. Thanks so much. Maria, thank you. Congressman peter king joining us today. Meanwhile, fighting between israel and hamas flaring up once again after a shaky humanitarian ceasefire falls through. Now, they are the ones calling for the troops. Hamas now wants a truce. Can anyone negotiate with them . Follow me on twitter, mariabartiromo and sundayfutures. Back in a moment. Our name your price tool helps oh, jamie, you got a Little Something on the back of your shoe there. A price tag danger price tag alert oh. Hey, guys. Price tag alert is this normal . Well, progressive is a price tag free zone. We let you tell us what you want to pay, and we help you find options to fit your budget. Where are they taking h . I dont know. This seems excessive decontamination in progress. I dont want to tell you guys your job, but. Policies without the price tags. Now, thats progressive. Welcome back. A shaky ceasefire allows civilians get their lives a little together. Hamas makes no bones about wanting every israeli wiped off the map. Ambassador allen rumali is with me. Sir, good to have you on the program. Thanks so much for joining us, ambassador. My pleasure. Thank you. Is it possible to negotiate with hamas . Difficult. Never say never, but i wouldnt give it good chances. Look, its hard to imagine a population that is more poorly served by its leadership than the gazans. Frankly, as long as hamas believes that violence and conflict can achieve their political objectives, its hard to see a solution to this problem. So where does this go next, then . What happens . What is next with hamas . Do you see a possible coming together of the world knowing that hamas has been very clear about its intentions regarding israel . Yeah, i think so this is much bigger than hamas. We need to put this local conflict in a bigger context. I mean, the fact of the matter is that gaza is one of the is the most densely populated territory in the world and also one of the poorest territories in the world. So what happened in 2012 when we last had a conflict twel israel and hamas . There was a ceasefire, it lasted two years, and in that time hamas got rearmed, got more rockets, built more tunneles and increased their capacity for nastiness. They didnt do that alone. They had the help of iran. They had the help of thunders in the gulf and they had other Political Support around the world. This is part of a bigger conflict between, i would say, the forces of dialogue and moderation and the forces of religious extremism and irridentism. How do you deal with that . I think you have to go to the source. Its important that we focus on the the hubs of the trouble making, which is in tehran, baghdad, and pakistan, the fatah where the al qaeda used to be. I mean, this is where the money is coming from and this is where the fighters are coming from. Who do you see as sort of the middleman . I mean, john kerry trying to set up a sevenday truce. Thats not happening. You know, you had the qatarrys brokering a u. S. Deal with the taliban for the bergdahl release, you remember. Right. Egypt was a middleman. Who should be an appropriate middleman and is it even possible to think that that is actually doable . Thats the problem. I mean, to have a negotiation, you have to have a trusted third party. Problem with egypt is that egypt and the military got rid of the muslim brotherhood. Lets remember, hamas is a part of the muslim brotherhood. Theyre not going to deal with egypt. The United States is seen as i think too partisan, too pro israel. I dont know that thats true. I dont necessarily think it is. But so for that reason, the hamas wont take the United States. Oh, by the way, the israelis think were probably too pro hamas and too pro palestinian. So weve really undercut our credibility as a trusted third party negotiator. The qatarrys, the turks, theyre on the side of hamas. The israelis arent going to deal with them. Thats why i think youve got a big gridlock. Again, what youve got to go beyond hamas, beyond gaza and deal with the root of the problem, which is frankly an International Support network for extreme iism that you see i damascus, that you see in baghdad, that you see in tehran and hezbollah. This is a much bigger problem than this tiny little part of between israel and egypt. Right. And the u. S. , i guess, is looking for International Support here. But is the u. S. Undermining israel . No. I think israel is finding itself in a very difficult situation and one that it really needs to get out of. I mean, what happens four or five days ago . You had 10,000 people on the west bank, not gaza, the west bank protesting against israel. Three of whom were killed by israeli riot police, this in my view opens up the prospect of a twofront problem for israel. It will sap israel militarily, economically and it will cost israel politically. They need to watch out for that. Well be watching. Thanks very much for joining us. Thank you. A new controversy, meanwhile, back in the United States over obamacare. Were all those incomebased sussydys legal or illegal . Two different courts ruling this week with two very different outcomes. Coming up, what it means for the future of the Health Care Law and your money as we look ahead on sunday morning futures. Welcome back. Two contradictory Court Rulings this week throwing obamacare into question. One d. C. Appellate court panel calling subsidies to people on the federal exchange unconstitutional. But just hours later, a mile away, a panel of judges in virginia rule the opposite. Steven parentae is a profess over Health Finance and the director of the leadership institute. Lalem chan is director on the board of the future for medicare. Gentlemen, thank you so much for being on the program. What does this mean . Does that mean this is headed back to the Supreme Court and can obamacare survive a second push at the Supreme Court . It probably means its headed back to the Supreme Court. Its going to go through two or three different ways to go there. It probably will survive, again, but its going to get messed up along the way. And one of the biggest concerns is that this is going to be coming down probably down the pike. Ralt of pieces right in the Midterm Election cycle. Lani, lets not forget how we arrived here. The allure for the states to set up these exchanges were these subsidies, these tax benefits. And then 36 says said were not going to do it. So the federal government has to have these exchanges set up so then they decide, oh, well, everybody can get the tax subsidies. This is really about a lot more about whether its a federal or state issue. Obamacare was poorly designed and were seeing the impact ooh that now. You have all of these Conflicting Court decisions. You had the 2012, remember, when we were in the Supreme Court about. This thing is going to get uply and ugly fast. Steve, the person at home who is trying to figure out if they have Health Insurance or not, theyre confused. Am i in this state . Am i federal . What does that do to the overall economy, to the state of health care . You just give up. Yeah. It doesnt bring a lot of confidence. To lonnies point, this has not supposed to be this way. It was supposed to be a better design. It was always messed up with because of the the way it got burped politically. This is the way it comes down to roost. A senate and a house version never got reconciled and the house actually, the house version never made it anywhere. Its the Senate Version and inadequacies in the Senate Version in 2009 that have come to roost. You know, the funny thing is, this really shouldnt surprise anybody, right, that we are in this place now where theres all this confusion. Even the people who wrote obamacare disagree over whether this was intended to be state or federal administered. Then you have the irs in the story, again, saying you can do this through federal exchanges. Im glad you brought up the irs. I love this oped out of the journal about the fact that the irs is handling obamacare. We know what a mess the irs is and how they are politically motivated. Is the irs going to be deciding if i can get that knee replacement, if my grandmother can stay alive . Is it the irs who is deciding and are they going to decide based on my political motivation . The irs decides whether its tax deductible or not. And the irs has more to say right now in treasury about whats an improved medical device, whats an approved production or