For hunting, to shoot at tyrants. All governments will eventually become corrupt. John after all, look at the kinds of people who want power over you. Two kind of awful people. Too virulent status. John yes, each of these candidates is better than donald or hillary. We hear more from the now in part 2 of our libertarian president ial forum. John welcome back to part 2 of our libertarian president ial forum. Its relief to hear from libertarians after months of listening to clinton and trump talk about reducing our liberty. The three libertarian president ial candidates are former new mexico governor gary johnson. Software entrepreneur, john mcafee. Libertarian republic founder Austin Petersen. [cheers and applause]. John right to it. Governor johnson, what would do about ilLegal Immigration . I would make it as easy as possible for those Illegal Immigrants to get a work visa as long as they havent committed any crimes. [ applause ] agreement . Disagreement . Our country was found on the principle of open arms. All of our ancestors were immigrants, so why are we trying to shut our borders and keep people out. If i have to be documented, then immigrants as well should have to be documented and made legal. [ applause ] petersen . We can incentivize Legal Immigration to cut down on ilLegal Immigration. If we make a simpler path to citizenship then people will not break the law if they know theres a chance they can be here. John simple path for the 11, 12 million illegals already here just they are already here, adding to the economy. Make it so they can find a path to citizenship. John because they lied to get in, its an insult to the people who followed the rules. If you were living in a thirdworld country and starving to death, who would not cross that wall . We are an immigrant nation, my last name is petersen spelled sen. The danish came through ellis island. Disease check, security check, done. John any disagreement . Well, the reality is youve got mexicans in juarez that can see jobs that exist in el paso, but they cant get across the border to take those jobs. They have to cross illegally and taking jobs that u. S. Citizens dont want. John americans say theyre taking our jobs . Thats not the case and not an issue either of lower pay. Its lower pay when language is an issue and theyre the first ones that recognize this. Were getting the cream of the crop when it comes to workers from mexico, im speak as a border governor. Go ahead. Id like to say something, you said they lied to get in. Im not going to claim hypocrisy. However, who of you have not lied . Has anybody had an affair here . Has anybody smoked weed in a state where its illegal. Come on, sir, that was an absurd statement, im sorry, i have to say that. John fair enough. Libertarianish republican rand paul said we got to worry about terrorism. Put a hold on immigration from certain parts of the world. Do you agree . Disagree . I disagree. I think we should be taking our fair share and i think you phrased that question just right. Rand paul, libertarianish, is about half of what he has to say, i agree wholeheartedly of republican candidates. He was my guy. Bottom line hes a republican, not a libertarian. John any ban on muslims coming in . You cant enforce Something Like that. The First Amendment of the u. S. Constitution says the government should stay out of religion, the government cannot set the standards or quotas. [applause] what are you going to do . Ask them what religion is when they come here . Thats unamerican. Weve got to have a simpler path to naturalization, they are coming here because they want to work when. Immigrants come to the United States, they dont just take jobs, they give labor, create wealth. Thats how the free market economy works and we should encourage that. Beside, if they wanted free welfare, they would go europe. [applause] here in the United States is the land of opportunity, it still is. Welcome the people who want to come here. John lets talk about that. Mr. Mcafee, you said as the milton friedman, you cant have open borders and the welfare state. You should shut down the border until you take down the welfare state . Im not saying i agree with the statement, which i do not. I dont believe they have anything to do with one another. The attitude of the government toward the citizens that creates the welfare state. I would like to say about letting muslims in. What are we trying to protect ourselves from . Is it not ourselves . Did we not create terrorism by interfering in the affairs of foreign nations . [ applause ] i want to say you left out a part of Milton Friedmans statement, when he said you cant have open borders in welfare state, he followed up by saying ilLegal Immigration is superior. Why . Because then they dont qualify for benefits. [laughter] if we had a simpler path to naturalization, we wouldnt have a problem. We should build a wall around the welfare state. [ applause ] next topic, donald trump supports free trade but only fair free trade. He says our bad deals with other countries have cost americans jobs. That leaves to a question posted on facebook from joe rafferty. How will free trade help the working class by way of employment, not just lower the price of goods . Mr. Johnson . Free trade. Who benefits from free trade but you and i as consumers. If china wants to subsidize the goods and services they send to the United States, who benefits . We do. And ultimately china pays the price. John some American Workers lose jobs. Im advocating eliminating income tax and Corporate Tax and if we did that, in my opinion, along with the irs, we would create tens of millions of jobs in the country because why would you locate a business anywhere in the world other than the United States, given a zero Corporate Tax rate . If we have a problem with jobs and theyre not enough, it has nothing to do with free trade. Our government has placed so many barriers to entry for entrepreneurs and new businesses. If the government would get out of our way, we would have more than enough jobs for people. This is the fundamental issue. John some people lose jobs when china subsidizes steel, some steelworkers lose jobs. Consumers benefit from lower prices. Nobody is talking about the third party in the equation, thats the consumer. Right . When youre allowed to purchase things from overseas, you can buy things at a lower price. That lifts people out of poverty. The purchasing power. If the Federal Reserve would stop destroying our dollars, we could buy more. John governor . Nobody is talking about entrepreneurship in all of this. Really, the model of the future is uber. Its uber everything. Its uber accountant, uber doctor, its uber electrician, uber plumber. Eliminating the middle man and allowing the person who provides the goods and Services Direct payment as opposed to having a middle man, and its also airbnb. We can subsidize our own incomes. Getting government out of the way. [cheers and applause]. John this is a new approach to jobs. President ial candidates, all this talk about jobs. I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. I tell you that. We need a president that can create jobs. Create good paying jobs. John thats what they say all the time. Governor what would you do to create jobs . In 2012, they did an analysis because rick perry was beating his chest over being the biggest create offer jobs. They did an analysis, and guess what . It was gary johnson [ applause ] and my response then was the same as when i was governor. I didnt create a single job. Government doesnt create jobs, the private sector does. [cheers and applause] government can create this level playing field. And i think i contributed to that. John mr. Mcafee . I have to for once agree completely with governor johnson. Jobs are created by industry, by private business and reduced when we impose barriers. When imposed income taxes in order to start a business, i have to fill out a thousand forms and report to osha. This is the fundamental problem. If we remove the barriers, industry will take care of itself and jobs will improve. Liberty is the occupation of license. We have to get rid of occupational licensing in this country. Why do you need a license to braid hair . The government has to get out of the way. [ cheers ] the institute of justice is stepping into. This why do i need a certificate to cut hair . Ladies and gentlemen, this is ridiculous, occupational licenses is the greatest threat to entrepreneurship that we have and taking away the liberty that we have. John governor . I got to tell you i vetoed a few of those. Good. John thank you. Well have more coming up. We thank you our viewers who follow us on social media and submitted questions for the candidates. If the rest of you want to get in on this action, please follow me at twitter john stossel, use the hashtag stossel and post your comment. On twitter, one good question from darrel perry, he says thats a good question, and ill take the wrap for that. Its my decision, if you have too many people, you dont learn that much about any one candidate. These three seem to be the right amount to me. Candidates who placed lower in the early polls, i apologize, and i just learned that darryl w. Perry is one of the candidates [laughter]. John sorry, darryl. When we return. More on terrorism, privacy, weed and pollution. 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Fox news host eric bolling asks this if an iphone contained the exact time and date of imminent terror attack in america, should apple break the encryption to find out where and when that will be . John mr. Mcafee is a computer expert. I go to you first. Absurd concept to think that a single telephone can predict a terrorist attack. It doesnt work that way. John what if they had intelligence on this phone is the plan . They might have intelligence that said that. Thats never happened, sir. This is my business, were in something i know something about. I can promise you that has never happened. John it might have. I debated on cnn the fbi mouthpiece who came on and said this is an issue of privacy versus security. I said maybe for you, but far more important an issue of more insecurity to the American Public by giving a master key to telephones. [applause] you have to believe me, there is not a situation. Do you actually think terrorists are going to put their plan on an iphone . When they throw phones away every day. Theyre smarter than this, sir. The world doesnt work that way. I wish it did. John petersen . Timid men receive the calm of defertism, i would rather be exposed to the inconveniences of too much liberty than too little. [applause] this is always the argument and no evidence that with all the metadata thats being collected. 110 million verizon users being monitored, that there has ever been an instance of thwarting an act of terrorism. So this is always the question, this is always the hypothetical but just doesnt exist, and if we create, look, its one thing to open up one phone, but im siding with apple that they cant just do that. They have to provide a master key and if they did that, it could be the immediate death sentence if the Chinese Government got ahold of that, when it comes to a lot of chinese citizens. [ applause ] all right, moving on. You all support the Second Amendment. Individuals right to own a gun, but some people with criminal records some, mentally ill people get guns, some commit terrible crimes. Should there be any limit, mr. Governor johnson . I think we should be open to a debate and a discussion over limiting guns to mentally ill. But i havent heard an argument [booing]. We should be open to that. We should be open to it, but i got to tell you that i havent seen it. I havent seen any argument that, at some point, isnt going to prevent me from getting that gun. Im going to fail some sort of litmus test to have to do that. Dont you think king george would have declared the columnist to be mentally ill. The government sets the standard. Yeah the government has no right to take away our form of selfdefense. It is an individual right to bear arms. We, the people, are the militia and should have every right to defend ourselves. I would overturn the National Firearms act so fast, your head would spin. Because nobody should be forced to pay 200 to put a suppressor on the end of ar15. I built my first one last year and use it frequently for hunting. The Second Amendment isnt for hunting, its to shoot at tyrants. [applause] if anyone doubts my position on the Second Amendment, youve never seen a single photograph of me. [laughter] but id like to say that the constitution gives us the right not just to own guns, not to own guns, it says to bear arms, to carry them on our person, without restriction, and austin is right. Who makes the laws . Who is going to say whos insane, or who is a criminal . Someone who smokes marijuana and is sentenced to 15 years in federal prison is a felony, are they a criminal and should not use a gun . That is terrible. John could we get the governor on what he thinks the government should do in terms of background checks. I signed conceal and carry in new mexico. My Political Advocacy Group has been talking about dont limit the caliber take it easy, dont act so crazy, we might take your gun, governor. Who do you think should be restricted in terms of owning guns . Who do you think is mentally unstable . Somebody who is. How would you determine that. What gives the federal government the right to determine that . Are you listening . I find it difficult to come up with a piece of legislation that would address that. Thats what i said. John we wont solve that in this segment. When we come back, a question from dana perino. [applause] when you think about success, what does it look like . Is it becoming a better professor by being a more advyour daughterent . Is ig the opportunity she deserves . Is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders of the Natural World . Whatever your definition of success is, helping you pursue it, is ours. Tiaa. So we know how to cover almost alanything. Ything, even a stag pool party. party music splashing destruction splashing destruction burke and we covered it, october twentyseventh, 2014. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum. John were back at the three leading libertarian president ial candidates. First the question from hosts of the five, dana perino. What should the role of the federal government be when it comes to protecting environment . Mr. Mcafee, its something we say government should do . Im sorry. John is that something government should do . No, let me tell you why, if you have a truly free market then the environment will be protected by the market support or lack of support. Why do we have electric cars now . Not because theyre mandated, but because people prefer them. Im doing something to help the environment. So how is the government going create anything based on science which is constantly changing and contradicting itself. John pollution controls have made the air and the water cleaner. If i have a factory, my smoke goes to someone elses yard. You havent been to detroit recently if you think water is clean, sir. Have they removed the sulfides from the exhaust that we do not have acid rain, what have they added in terms of carcinogens into the earth . A lot. John you would have no epa . Absolutely, sir. Mr. Petersen . The epa are unelected bureaucrats with assault rifles. You would abolish the epa . The president does not have the authority to abolish anything, we have to obey congress. John would you ask congress do . I would, i would ask them to regulate the epa to original enforcement role. It is not to harass oregonians or murder oregonians, they were supposed to provide Scientific Evidence in cases where Property Rights were in dispute. If the epa is to exist, thats all they should be doing, providing scientific expertise [ applause ] i dont believe in gun control but think we need to control the governments uses of arms, disarm the feds. John all right, no epa governor johnson . This seems like one agency we did need . I think that government exists to protect us against individuals, groups, corporations that would do us harm, and there are polluters out there. In new mexico, there was a mine polluting a river in northern new mexico. It had been allowed to pollute for decades. My biggest ace in the hole was i was going to make them a superfund site if, in fact, they didnt come to the table because they were bad actors. If it werent for federal epa shutting them down, they would still be polluting that river. I put this in the context of protecting us against harm. John what about Global Warming . Should they protect us from that . Whether Global Warming is true or not, government should play no role. Its not the job of the government to protect us from these things. Government is actually the biggest polluter. Did you know . Lets get the government out of the busines