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but lots of people like trump. they say he's authentic. and authenticity was big this year. i talked about it with rebecca burg of real clear politics and david greenberg, author of "republic of spin." >> this concern of authenticity goes way back. in the '20s this was the age of baa, bally who, they wanted to show themselves human. hoover was out there fly fishing. warren harding do all kinds of posing on the white house lawn with albert einstein and helen keller and whoever they could get to do a photo op. >> rebecca. >> well, i see a lot of parallels between those historical examples and today. i think of scott walker riding his motorcycle around new hampshire wearing his motorcycle boots to the first republican debate. obviously it didn't pan out very well for his campaign, but that's what he was trying to get at there. >> and it works? >> it does. so what we see in polling is that voters actually do care about authenticity and their presidential candidates. there has been polling shown voters care most about honesty. oftentimes we look at that as a proxy for authenticity in candidates. >> honesty over compassion, over intelligence. >> yes. this is a specific poll from "new york times" a number of years ago. and a third of people in that poll said honesty is the most important to them. and then it went down from there to intelligence and compassion. >> is honesty the same as authenticity? >> it's not. so the trouble we have in politics and especially presidential politics is we talk a lot about authenticity. we don't have any data really to show how much voters care because it's such a liquid idea what is authenticity. to some people it means ideological consistency, to others it means honesty, to others who do you like. >> george bush a lot of conservatives felt he was authentic, felt he was someone you could relate to and liberals would say, oh, that texas ranch he just bought that in 1999 before he was running for president. bill clinton struck a lot of democrats as authentic. you really saw what you were getting. republicans called him slick willy. so there often is a partisan dimension in how we perceive people to be authentic as well. >> lots of people must view hillary as authentic, though i don't see why. she is the clear favorite however in the current election betting. and by the way, this website which gives the result of the british prediction markets, such markets are banned in america, is updated every five minutes on my website at johnstossel.com. how does hillary stay the favorite when she's so inauthentic if not dishonest? she just gets away with deceit after deceit. >> u.s. officials are investigating whether or noted attack on the consulate in libya was an organized terrorist attack. >> did somebody get advanced warning of this attack? >> secretary of state clinton first blamed the attack on a youtube video even though the state department had information about it being terrorism. when confronted about that she said -- >> i take responsibility. >> people like it when politicians say that. then comes the excuse. >> in the fog of war there's always going to be confusion. >> then deflect the question by saying, i don't really want to be partisan when we're talking about something important. >> what i want to avoid is some kind of political gotcha or blame game going on because that does a disservice to the thousands and thousands of americans -- >> and what does it matter anyway? >> the difference between getting it rong and committing wrong. >> now, in benghazi we had the fog of war, but what about hillary's other misstatements? she said she used one mobile device to keep things simple. >> it would have been better for me to use two separate phones and two e-mail accounts. i thought using one device would be simpler. >> except it turned out she used two devices. >> iphone or android? [ laughter ] >> iphone. okay. in full disclosure -- >> blackberry. >> and a blackberry. >> she just lied. and what was in those e-mails? >> i took the unprecedented step of asking that the state department make all my work-related e-mails public for everyone to see. >> but that wasn't true either. she turned over only e-mails she said were relevant. the rest she tried to wipe clean from her home server. one way politicians get away with misleading us is by using their words carefully. i talk eed about that with mark hannah who worked on the obama and john kerry campaigns. let's break down some specific words. welfare people don't like. >> sure. >> safety net they do like. >> right. because they see themselves as potentially some day needing a safety net but never identify with the kind of welfare queens that reagan, you know, criticized in the '80s. >> the debate used to be proabortion or antiabortion. >> oh, no, you can't say those words, john. choice sounds a lot better than abortion because abortion's awful choice. okay, life sounds better than death. >> let's go onto another word. >> well, i would just say -- >> pro-gay marriage versus pro traditional marriage. >> pro-gay marriage seems to morph into marriage equality, which i think is a very clever turn of phrase. >> traditional marriage once upon a time meant marrying within your race too, let's not forget that. >> i think that's maybe a little bit of a cheap shot. >> no, specialize in cheap shots on this show. that's fine. >> let's close with these slogans that these candidates use. marco rubio. >> a new american century. >> rand paul, defeat the washington machine. i like that. but then goes onto unleash the american dream. hillary clinton, ready for change, ready to lead. does this make a difference? >> i think rubio's is tricky because using the phrase new in his slogan is going to bring attention to the fact to his weakness he's a new candidate. he's new to the senate. he's relatively inexperienced. i'm surprised he went with that. >> i do think that the first part of rand paul's slogan is smart, defeat the washington machine. everyone hates washington, d.c. everyone hates, you know, the system as it exists for different reasons, but running against washington is smart. >> president obama won big with, yes, we can. >> yes, we can. that means nothing. it means, yes, we can anything. or i think it meant, yes, government can. that's why i wrote this book pointing out that, no, they can't. not when they means government. but individuals can't. and there is one presidential candidate who i think understands that. and that's senator rand paul. but lots of others don't seem to get that. i discussed the candidates with matt welch of reason, mary kathrine ham of hot air and news day columnist alice hannock. >> rand paul by far to me is the most serious libertarian running or having a serious chance at winning the nomination in generations. the worst for me by far is donald trump who i think is someone who can't open his mouth without saying something that isn't true. he lacks the temperament. >> like what? >> that mexican government is engaging in a boat lift style emptying of its prisons into the united states of america. on and on. every single day he says things that are demonstrate bli untrue. >> the best to me is rand paul. as a libertarian that means he's going to be right about half the time, right? so on the -- >> no, not right. but from your democratic point of view. >> exactly. so he wants to avoid some of the same oppressions that i would like to avoid including an interventionist policy, international drug laws. so i say you go rand. the worst though i'm afraid i'm going to have to join you on trump. he doesn't seem to have any idea what he's talking about. he has hugely confident opinions about things many which he's wrong on. >> he sounds like he knows what he's talking about. >> the number one qualification for running for president is think you're alpha enough to be president. he's got that. >> pass personalities on to the issues. to me the biggest is the deficit spending and the growth of government. america is going broke because current and previous politicians spent so much and promised so much. today's candidates all say i'll be responsible. >> we balanced the budget. >> jobs and balance budgets. >> we cut taxes, we balanced budgets. >> they called me veto corlioni because i vetoed 50 separate line items in the budget. >> the governors running have actual spending records we can compare. so we did. and they show that governor bush did make cuts. in fact, he cut the most of any governor. he reduced florida's spending by more than a percent per year. my colleague mike huckabee when he was governor of arkansas increased spending by 3% a year. now, i should point out that some of the governors were in office during the sessions and states have to cut spending then, so we adjusted for that. and this chart shows how well candidates did compared to other governors during the time when they were in office. jeb bush still wins. in fact, he does even better. he cuts 3% more than the average governor and much more than any other candidate. the other big political issue this year was immigration. immigrants build america, but now many republicans say stop. donald trump says no muslims. anne colter went further and said we should only let in europeans because the dark immigrants will turn america into a hell hole. and she says the left lies to us about immigration. how does the left lie about immigration? >> well, the original lie was the 1965 immigration act pushed by teddy kennedy, supported by bobby kennedy and "the washington post" and all of them swore up and down this immigration law will not change the basic demographics of america. the same countries that have traditionally populated america will continue to pop late it. demographics will not change. that turned out to be a massive, enormous lie. but now if anyone calls them on it, it's racist. >> clearly the demographics changed, but not that much. >> oh, yes, that much. from the beginning of america until 1970 the country was always about 80% to 90% white, 10% to 20% black. that's what america was. >> and you want to keep it that way? >> i think the american people should have been -- that's what they say now. i think the american people should have been asked about it. but, no, they were lied to. and now if you say, hey, you guys lied to us, the answer is you're racist. >> how many of you agree with her on this? a few. okay. >> they don't want to be called racist. that's the trick. let's just change the population and then accuse anyone who disagrees with what we've done to the country, call them racist. i notice none of you immigrated to mexico. so i'm thinking that a lot more of you agree with me than are claiming to right now for fear of being called racist. if this continues, it is not going to be america. >> why isn't it america if there are more people from latin america and from asia? >> because these are very, very different cultures. very different cultures. what determines the least corrupt countries is number of years of british rule and protestantism. >> this is from the cbo. more immigrants would lower the deficit -- >> that's nonsense. >> they pay into the social security system. >> no they don't. >> but they often don't take it out, especially if they're illegal. >> yes -- >> the national research council, the typical immigrant imposes a net fiscal cost of $3,000. that's what you're talking about. but the descendants of the immigrant have a positive contribution of $83,000. >> no, no, no. this is absolutely ludicrous. >> the national research council, they're smarter than you. >> no, they aren't. they're liars. they're bigger liars. >> anne coulter, always refreshing even when she's wrong. coming up, isis and crime, how do we fight both? ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet? 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>> well, we are a security firm that provides free military advising and training to forces that are fighting isis. and we do it funded entirely from contributions from the public. and we put that money to good efficient use training forces to fight against isis. >> but we already have government doing that. the united states has more than 3,000 advisers, trainers, support personnel in iraq. >> you don't have government doing it very well. the iraqi forces have shown they're pretty good runners, not such good fighters. you also have the iraqi army only fighting for certain areas and the peshmerga only fighting for certain areas. and we're training forces that the government has not been helping, which are iraqi christians who've been completely overlooked, who have remained defenseless and who have suffered greatly over the years and will continue to suffer greatly both at the hands of isis and after the conflict. >> and you trained iraqis for less than $50,000. the government has a $250 million program. and trained fewer iraqis? >> yes. there must be some overhead somewhere. >> we do efficiently and well. we have some of the best trainers in the world. former u.s. military veterans, former green berets have applied, former navy s.e.a.l.s. nearly 1,000 applications are sitting in our database. >> you'll take all of them? >> no, we take less than 1%. we take the best of the best. our screening process is quite intensive. even more intensive than what the u.s. military does when they screen. >> private armies, what a concept. and in america where people are frightened about crime, private security companies employs more people now than government police forces. people hire the private security because they're scared, but should we be so scared? >> is crime up? >> yes. >> definitely. >> we're always told crime is increasing. and it would be scary if it were, but it's not. the fbi just released the most recent crime data. crime had been dropping for years, and despite the recent claim that crime's up because the police are backing off due to a war on the police, crimes continued to fall. but the public doesn't know the truth says criminologist james alan fox. it really is true and people don't know. >> absolutely. people get their perceptions of what's going on with crime based on the latest grisly story, the latest shooting or something on the 11:00 news. but the statistics which people don't pay much attention to say otherwise. we are safe as we have been for almost 40, 50 years. >> and we hear these stories, crime is up this year in baltimore, sharply up. >> yeah, well, there are spikes but only because -- but only because crime levels were so low. it's like becoming a victim of your own success. take new york city, homicide's up 8% this year. but it's 35% lower than five years ago. >> every murder is horrible and it's our job in the news business to tell you about bad things that happen. but let's keep it in perspective. crime is trending down. enjoy the good news. next, bad news. communism is still seen by some as cool. feel a cold coming on? 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>> it's an amazing thing. >> we have a picture of this famous model, giselebundchin here. >> it's become this sort of popular thing. and you see people like carlos santana, the musician, going to an award show not realizing the most basic thing -- >> it's just that he's good looking. >> he was a handsome guy, but he also banned music that was considered capitalist and decadent like the beatles in cuba in the early 1960s. so these people have no idea what they're talking about. and they say, well, he's a revolutiona revolutionary, he fought for poor people. no, he actually required by his ideological fanaticism that a country like cuba remained poor from 1959 to today. the reason there are cute old cars there is because the country is bankrupt. internet access. not polluted by twitter and all this stuff. they don't have access -- >> communism is popular in hollywood. you've got in peru cameron diaz had carried a bag with a slogan on it, killed 70,000 people. >> yeah. look, i would say i'm going to cut cameron diaz a tiny bit of slack. i chock most of this up to ignorance. >> it's also the concept of commune. we're all in this together. >> yeah, well, it is. the idea of communism is a very simple one, we should all share everything. try explaining sort of liberal economics, it's a very complicated -- >> that's what we try to do. >> i know. that's why this show exists. >> but it's not working. it's not working because lots of americans seem to want central planning. bernie sanders gets votes admitting he's a socialist. i interviewed one proud communist who said communism would bring us guaranteed jobs and incomes if we just give it a chance. are you nuts? smart guy, talk to you, what's your reasoning? >> well, just like you could point out all of the many failures of the soviet regime and all sorts of other totalitarian communist regimes or communist party led regimes, it's easy to point out problems in capitalist regimes like ours. millions of people in poverty, millions locked up in prisons, war constantly, extraction of natural resources. these are horrible failures. we are the richest of countries in rich countries. can you imagine the explosion of personal creativity and individual expression that would happen if people were not grinding say working two, three jobs just to make ends meet just to feed their families? i think it would be a dream, a sort of perversely libertarian fantasy to have everybody with the freedom to pursue happiness. >> what? communism gives you the freedom to pursue happiness? how can people think that way? i interviewed a young woman who managed to escape communism in north korea. >> it's truly undescribable what i had to do to survive. we didn't have enough food, so i had to see bodies in the street. >> how would you get food? >> the government stopped providing food after soviet union collapsed. so people had to trade in the black market. >> here's some tv programming from north korea. what strikes me watching this is you would think people really do love kim jong-un. the announcer's voice is so exuberant. people of t pictures of the people in the audience suggest they do love him. >> they have to. >> the regime would decide everything including what you wear? >> yes. what you wear, how your hair looks like, what you listen to, what you watch. >> government officials would come to your home and say you must wear this? >> yes. if you would wear jeans you would get arrested for that. >> but there was a black market. and some information would come in. >> yes, from china. >> and you got to see some western movies. >> yes. >> that opened your brain? >> uh-huh. yeah. i watched the movie "titanic" when i was in north korea. and i was shocked. how could this kind of this story existed. i never see people buy for love just the regime and party. so it really shocked me. and that movie gave me some taste of freedom. >> a taste of freedom, oddly created by left leaning hollywood capitalists. you can read about how she escaped and the horrible things she did in order to live in her book with that title. next, good news from entrepreneurs like steve nguyen, michael cole and 17-year-old ray lin. ♪ how else do you think he gets around so fast? 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[ applause ] i only cared about getting on with it. getting on with it. hustling. sooner or later if you work hard enough you'll get a break. i was interested in getting dug in, to getting started. >> but you started as the slots manager of a hotel here. >> before that i ran the bingo while i was at the university of pennsylvania. in maryland -- >> this doesn't look like a route to the top. >> it does not look like a route to the top, but i ran it. >> six years after you were slots manager you were chairman of a golden nugget hotel. >> i got lucky again. i got into a real estate deal with howard hughes. and i got a chance to run the place. >> and you decided that las vegas was not in the gambling business. >> no. >> sure looks like it to me. >> all slot machines are the same anywhere in the world. i learned one thing about a casino. if people move through it, they keep going and money stays behind. >> another man who worked his way to the top is the ceo of carl's jr. and hardee's. you started in the business scooping ice cream at baskin did. minimum wage, a dollar an hour. i never thought i could support a family of four on that wage, but it was -- [ applause ] and i learned a lot. i learned about customer service. i learned about inventory. that was a good background, a good start, first step in the ladder. >> you painted houses, cut lawns. now there are new rules about the age when people can work and the minimum wage of course. people view this as this is just fair for people. you can't pay them so little. >> well, i tell you, i have a 16-year-old son. and i really love him. there's no way in the world i'd pay that kid $12 an hour to do something. we're losing a generation of people because we've eliminated the jobs that those people normally filled. how do you pay somebody $15 an hour to scoop ice cream? >> it's extra hard to start a business if you were just in jail, but that's what mike cole did. >> i went to jail for selling marijuana for six months. and it was okay. not okay, but you have to -- not okay. but you have to learn from your mistakes. and as you sit down and you understand, hey, i did something wrong, you have to fix yourself when you come out. because it's all about rehabilitation. so here i am, coming out, and i said you know what, i'm going to make a change for myself. not just for myself but for the community. and this product is positive reinforcement for the community. [ applause ] >> so you had a family recipe for ice cream. you started selling it out of your house. >> yes. illegally. >> all these regulations that make that illegal. >> yes. i would make ice cream at my house. on a cuisinart, have them in a circle, i was selling ice cream pints out of my house. my mom would be like get this stuff out of here. i can't take it anymore. and people would knock on my door, they'd ring my bell. and then finally i got a push cart and i would sell in the street. and then the cops got whims selling without a license and they were strong arming me. after a while i was like, hey, i can really take this to another level. >> and now you've got a shop. >> yes, sir. >> and it's doing well. his shop is called mikey likes it. finally, i was inspired by 17-year-old rae lin rhodes. she started a dog treat business and then wrote me about the stupidity of the 15 pages of regulations she had to wade through just to start her business. >> what you have to have on the label, you have to have an analysis, the ingredients, this product is intended for in a minute or supplemental feeding only and even more stuff on the bottom. there's not enough room to put it on the bag. >> so you had to have it tested and then you had to have special labels printed saying this is just supplemental? >> yes. when i started, when i read about doing dog treats, i had already bought all my packaging. and everything was ready. then i read the rules and regulations and i had to completely change all my packaging because it wouldn't fit on the stuff that i had. >> how long did it take? >> took six weeks. >> how much money? >> over $200. >> and it would be $200 each time you would try to do this. >> yes. crazy. >> and did you ever argue with the regulators? >> i tried. it didn't work. they're just -- they're regulators. >> people like raelynn, entrepreneurs willing to fight the bureaucracy, give me hope. but then i interview experts who are clueless about free market. i'll confront a couple when we come back. we live in a pick and choose world. choose, choose, choose. but at bedtime? ...why settle for this? enter sleep number, and the lowest prices of the season. sleepiq technology tells you how well you slept and what adjustments you can make. you like the bed soft. he's more hardcore. so your sleep goes from good to great to wow! only at a sleep number store, find the lowest prices of the season. save $600 on the #1 rated i8 bed, plus no interest until january 2018. know better sleep with sleep number. it's not going to fit up liftthe stairs.legs. what time does goodwill close? google voice: goodwill is open till 9pm. show me a moving company nearby. google voice: moving company within 6 miles. how do i get to 3221 carter ave.? 226 hyde street. google voice: here are your directions. when does my package arrive? google voice: your most recent order has shipped. thank you. setting new home address. text mom: i really like it here. this year thanks to free markets millions of people around the world lifted themselves out of poverty. that's the biggest untold good news story of the year. capitalism works. it helps people. but in america where it's helped people a lot american college students are taught free markets don't work. the chairwoman of the sociology department at brooklyn college teaches that. let's go to some of your points about how terrible things are. people are working more than ever. >> people are working longer hours than they have ever before. american workers are 40% more productive than they've ever been since 1979. >> good. >> which is great. and yet wages have stagnated. >> wait a second. we have a chart of hours worked per year. can we put that up? we have more leisure siam than ever and working less. i can't believe you teach your students this. i can't believe i'm taxed to pay you at city college to teach the students. this is just wrong. >> it's not wrong. we have plenty of evidence that economic policy institute has dozens of papers on how americans are more productive and working more than ever before. and wages have not kept up with that. >> wages. we have a chart of wages. the average household income has grown by 40% for the middle 49% for the bottom fifth over the past 30 years. wages plus benefits. >> but real wages. real wages. >> this is adjusted for inflation. >> real wages have not gone up. >> but they have. >> you don't have the purchasing power that you had 30 years ago. >> what? this phone used to cost $1,000. we have more purchasing power. she's just wrong. but your tax money goes to people like her. so they can teach your kids basically socialism. here's another woman with socialist views. in america this is alex goldstein the rich party where the poor are stuck at the bottom. she works for a group called the other 98%. she also joined the occupy wall street protests. george mason university economist garrett jones says she's wrong. garrett, why? donald trump's kids, paris hilton's siblings, they're born with an advantage in life. that's not fair. >> and i was born with an advantage too, being born in the united states of america is one of the least fair things that ever happened to me. being born with great parents. great thing happened to me, totally unfair. the question is whether government policy to try to fix this actually make things better or worse. >> you say they make things better. >> i do. and, look, we're living in a situation where corporations have profits that are higher than they've been in 85 years. we have workers that have wages that are lower than they've been in 65 years. >> well, that's not absolutely not true. >> that is true. let me continue. 40% of bank tellers in new york state are forced to rely on government assistance just to scrape by. and that's wrong in a country where we have record corporate profits. >> and government should then take from the corporations and rich people and just give it to poor people? have more programs for poor people. >> if we raise the minimum wage in this country, workers are immediately going to go and spend that money in the economy. and that is going to stimulate the economy. >> but one of the things that makes people least happy, according to regular economics and psych surveys, is being unemployed. so even if raising the minimum wage only costs a few jobs, and it probably costs a few jobs, but even if it only costs a few, you're concentrating a lot of misery on a small group of people -- >> minimum wage doesn't cost jobs. >> give me a break. despite the failure of socialism around the world, lots of young people still think socialism is the answer. i brought that up at a students for liberty conference. a recent survey of young people asked, which is better, socialism or capitalism? slightly more picked socialism. are they crazy? socialism eats freedom and opportunity. brian brenberg teaches economics at the kings college in manhattan. one student came into your office and said, is it okay if i go into business? >> yeah. it was sort of like she was admitting that she had cheated on an exam or something. she put her head down and just said, you know, is it all right if i want to go into business? and i thought to myself, is this the state of our situation now among young people that we have to sort of apologize for our interest in going into the marketplace? if it is that's very bad news. >> and the kings college where you teach is a place more sympathetic than most. >> it is actually which is what's so surprising about it. but our students feel this urge to go into the nonprofit space because they have this sense that when they look ahead at their future there's a fork in the road. i can go into the for-profit sector and make money, or i can go into the nonprofit sector and do good. but those worlds don't overlap. >> they don't get the only way to make money in the for-profit sector is to give customers something customers really need or want. >> just about half of millennial surveyed in this poll say the way the rich gets rich is at somebody else's expense. as a result they're sort of systemically looking away from the private sector and looking toward the nonprofit social enterprise ngo sector and that's a problem because they're cutting off so many opportunities for themselves. coming up, a mother locked up for sending her kids to a safer school. plus, good news about good things that happened spontaneously. as another year draws to a close, let's remember that another year means another million new rules. politicians constantly add rules to make our lives better. but few understand how fewer rules would really make life better. law professor elizabeth foley understands that and gave a few examples like drug laws. politicians say we need them because americans experiment with dangerous drugs. >> so let us experiment. we're adults, right? [ applause ] >> all right. other stupid laws. in some towns limousines, or cabs, have to have -- have to charge people more, a certain minimum price. in portland, oregon, $50. tampa also. houston and miami $70. why? >> these laws are just classic anti-competitive laws. they're designed to protect the taxi monopoly for short trips. i'm not going to take a limousine or a sedan because that's too expensive, the taxi's going to be much cheaper. it also cuts out, you know, companies like uber and lyft. >> so it's the insiders cozy with the politicians, or contribute to them who get these laws. in tampa the taxi attorney said the minimum fare prevents cut-throat competition. >> cut-throat competition is competition. i like competition because it gives me more choices as a consumer. and it lowers the prices. [ applause ] >> all right. it gave me hope to hear the audience cheer that. but government bans competition in all kinds of politicians are so resistant to school choice that when one mom lied about her zip code just to get her kids into a safer school, they locked her up. >> that was very difficult because i had never been to jail before ever. when i was in the holding cell, i cried for like 12 hours straight. it was just -- >> and the other prisoners did they say you're in here for what? >> yes, they did. they were -- one lady, you know, she was like what's the matter? why are you crying so? and i explained to her and she was like, really? she was like that's like nothing. you know, compared to what maybe she had did. >> and, kevin, what happened to her is crazy. and yet it's happening all the time. connecticut, kentucky, new york, missouri, parents have been arrested. >> yeah. john, it's more than crazy. it's shameful, frankly. think about it every state has a compulsory tenant law which means you must send your child to a school. yet they don't guarantee the quality of those schools. the experience kelly had is not dissimilar to other experiences around the country where particularly low income people of color are forced to go to schools who don't serve their kids. i mean, we've got 2,500 dropout factories, schools where 90% of the kids are going to dropout. we know it. and people are okay with that. and yet the government's going to prosecute someone who is desperate to get their kid in a good school. >> government's poverty programs also get in the way of the american dream since star parker. >> the american dream for some did end when the war on poverty began. and in particular it's hit our poorest, our weakest, which disproportionately hits black people because when you buy the lie government will take care of you, then you're not going to move into self-sufficiency. and you get trapped. and when government begins to reward you for ill behaviors, you're really stuck. it's hard to get out of welfare. it's very difficult once you get in you find out about all the other services available, you're committing social suicide to try to escape. plus, you're also committing a little bit of economic discomfort because once you leave, your life can become a little bit harder. >> she said that in front of 1,000 people at the freedom fest conference where i asked the audience, is it tougher for someone to achieve the american dream if they're not white? how many say yes, it's harder? [ applause ] how many of you say it's not harder? [ cheers and applause ] majority here. >> freedom lovers understand american exceptionalism. they understand the american dream. they understand what we were founded on, the four principles of traditional living, of free markets, of limited roles of government. so once you grab ahold of that, you can be whatever you want in america. >> yes, you can. and one british guy who understands that and understands that prosperity happens in spite of government is matt ridley. >> central planning and central direction of the world isn't always the best way to go. we need to learn that lesson for when we're trying to run the economy, when we're trying to run the political system. we need to learn that all you need to do is get people to produce their own solutions among themselves in a collaborative way. because that's what the market is, it's the ultimate example of cooperation and collaboration. the more centrally planned it is, the worse it works. >> his new book "the evolution of everything," points out that good ideas emerge in spite of the elite. >> ordinary people interacting with each other is the source of most innovation, most change, most of the organization in the world. >> in america and the presidential campaign everybody's saying i'm going to be a good leader. but you point out that so much of life is people not being led but joining together in spontaneous ways, like a flock of geese. >> forms a nice "v" in the sky. that's not because some lead goose at the front of the "v" says everybody follow me. >> it's not? >> no. they each take a position off each other. and if you watch it, the one that's at the front of the "v" keeps changing. and it's just emerging spontaneously. >> spontaneous order. it brings us wonderful things, but it can only happen when the central planners leave us alone. my new year's resolution, tell the government, butt out of our lives. and that's our last show for 2015. see you next year. watching me, , don't. good night. >> 3, 4, 5. >> what is going on? he is experimenting on me, giving me a drug that is supposeed to make me happy, scientists say, you get a similar effect getting a hug, we try an experiment. >> people cheat for money. >> he experiments, and also my brother, and an experiment tonight i put my family on the show, here is my son. >> you frighten me. you are living an experiment. >> i am. john: and my nephew, kept his problem a secret. >> from uncle stossel.

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