senate majority leader harry reid joins the gop for trump's success. >> it am not going to be me, it should be somebody running for president. i made a decision over a year ago not to run for president. this is more likely to become an open convention than we thought before. we are getting our minds around the idea this could become a reality and those of us involved in the convention need to respect that. >> hopefully there is time to prevent a trump nomination which i think would frack stewart party and be damaging to the conservative movement. >> i'm not sympathetic to the eric ericksons of the world. any effort to help anybody but the ruch can nominee helps hillary clinton. charles: joining me, eric erickson, one of the organizers of the meeting to stop donald trump. you talk about being a conservative activist and you say the issue of donald trump is great than the issue of the party. you talk about morals and character. you heard newt gingrich say that what you are doing is essentially helping to elect hillary clinton. all the data shows she'll get elected if trump is the nominee. charles: you say you want to keep your options open. when this started and a lot of powerful people within the gop thought maybe donald trump would and nuisance but they wanted to contain him store corral him -- contain him or corral him, why should you agree to the the same pledge that was foisted upon donald trump. some of the major republican voters and one in d.c. of conservative grass roots activists. that's the one i was a part of, not of the donors. northern us are running for president. we are republican conservative voters and we are putting our principles ahead of a political party. charles: you have worked for defend kids to the work in conservatism and i agree. there are a lot of good people who stood up form the conservative cause long before donald trump got into the political fray. but i think the civil war within the party is doing a lot more harm than good. this a point where you start to consider that? >> well, i think the harm comes from people who have been for them. we have had new political parties rise in this country over time. charles: that could flu free market, national defense, religious liberty, life and marriage. what of those things do you think donald trump has gone tea stray on. >> on national defense you have donald trump telling troops he can kill the families of terrorists. donald trump clarifies everything. you can't get a straight answer from him on anything. limited government web's on marriage he has three of them so he seems to be very pro marriage. so i don't believe donald trump on anything. charles: grand old party, it's been something of a dinosaur for a long time and perhaps it needs to evolve. if you don't agree with that, it sounds like you are prepared to start a third party. if donald trump can't win, that's on trump, not on us. charles: even though you are not wearing green, i'm going start with you. you were rinsing to what eric had to say and i could file wants to go jump in. >> he is wrong about trump and him not bag conservative. and what's wrong with somebody changing their minds. we want democrats to change their nienlds about becoming conservatives. i applaud him or admitting it saying i was this way one time and now i have learned and i have become wiser. hillary clinton, if we don't stand behind trump we are setting the floor for hillary clinton to win. a criminal, a liar, responsible for four deaths of american patriots. a woman who should be indicted for a spillage of classified information that was kept in her barn as opposed to a skiff where it should have been. to me this is treason. he's a benedict arnold. charles: you worked with donald trump and helped him in massachusetts and other places. i know a lot of people who attended eric's event are friends of yours. how do we address these issues eric brought up with respect to free markets, national defense, religious liberties and marriage and those kinds of things. >> my mom and dad were married and divorced four times each. so i guess eric is calling my dad who was an elected official who completed his terms, apparently my dad is not conservative. so these broad brush strokes over people and their character has no place in politics. you have a choice, eric and others have a choice. yes they are my friends and i'm referring out to them as is expected as people like me and others should do to our friends who are saying we are just not comfortable with him. the choice is crystal clear. there is no perfect conservative candidate coming through that door. if you put a third party independent candidate up it will take the votes away from the republicans because the democrats aren't coming over and you are going to have hillary clinton. the's it, period. then you can bitch and moan when hillary is the president picking the liberal supreme court justice. we still have the senate, hopefully we'll keep the senate with efforts like what eric and others are doing. but if we lose the senate, then what. charles: eric, you have been called a benedict arnold to the cause you have fought for for years. >> thiher than the personal insults. >> i had logic. >> it won't help them with donald trump will nominate only politician in america more unpopular and untrustworthy than hillary clinton. i'm not goinit. >> unpopular. i believe he's very popular. >> the data says otherwise. charles: he's won the overall majority of these -- >> he hasn't won the majority of delegates. charles: when you say he's not popular. i understand what polling says, but i understand which see a room or a stadium with 30,000 people. >> that's naive. the data shows donald trump is more unpopular than hillary clinton. charles: that's not -- with all due respect, are you basing what you vote on because after poll or based object things -- >> i'm telling you the reality. he's not going to beat hillary clinton. you can bring me back in november when he's lost. and we'll replay the clip. >> i was down 41 points when i ran for the u.s. senate. polls are a basic snapshot in a moment in time when you get the number and he starts reaching out and starts forming his cabinet and foreign policy team. it will hopefully reassure people and hopefully they will come over. charles: let me just jump in. governor charlie barrack, bob dole, richard hannah, tom ridge, mark sanford, j.c. was the, these are all people extremely opposed to donald trump. is there any sort of olive branch he can do on his side with respect to bringing them in? >> you pick up the phone and call them. i spoke with a bunch of my colleagues last night. they say i don't know him. so that tells knee i and others have to reach out and introduce him. they don't know him. they are reading a lot of the sound bites and seeing the snippets. i'm not a surrogate for him. i'm supporting him, but a lot of the vitriol and misrepresentations as i said, we'll take any three 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world. herman cain joins me. i'm not sure if you heard the last conversation with eric erickson and senator brown. what do you make of this serious effort by the gop to derail a trump nomination? >> i agree with senator brown, i agree with newt gingrich and everybody else who has come to the conclusion that if you go with a third party, that will allow hillary to get into the white house and all these conservative values they say they are standing so strongly on will go out the window with the hillary nomination to the supreme court. that's what i think as scott brown said, period. charles: the economists talking about donald trump, his exceptional hostility toward free trade, his alienation of mexico and china and his militaristic view of the middle east makes him a top 10 threat to the world. >> i don't agree. the economists are writers. donald trump is a businessman. he understands business in the youth and the world better than those writers. just like donald trump has created a lot of able and -- a lot of angst, i don't want what you want to call that group of folk over there afraid of trump, on the international stage it's the same thing. when he talk about jobs. look at our situation. with every one of the countries on that clip, we have a trade deficit. what trump has done is the same thing he has done to stir interest here at home. he stated a strategic objective. he didn't get into the details. what the economist is worried about, worry about the details how he's going to do that, and he doesn't need to put that on the table right now. he's just simply saying he want to level the playing field. that make him nervous because we have had these trade deficits for so long. charles: there is. >> the piece in this article that i find interesting. that would be the effectiveness of a president trump. combined with the virulent democratic open significant would make it hard for him to pass policies in congress. we saw where president obama came in with tall kind of fanfare but ran into issues with pelosi and reid and infighting. it was like pirates trying to separate the loot. could donald trump unite the hierarchy of this party and get the democrats to help him as a president? >> the difference between a president obama and a would-be president trump, president obama said he wanted to work across the aisle, but showed no inclination an didn't do it for seven years. not one republican signed on to it. why? because obamacare was a democrat agenda item and the democrats and obama didn't care that the republicans didn't sign on. donald trump knows everybody in washington, republicans and democrats, they want something. he said he's a negotiator and businessman. even if he had to depend totally on the republicans in congress. he knows he's going to have to work with them and he will extend an olive branch to democrats. obama has never done that on any issue including the latest nomination for the supreme court. charles: love your wisdom. i want 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straight from the heart, they have resonated. but so has bernie sanders. there is a commonality. >> i think trump is a much better phenomenon than sanders. sanders is a politician and part of washington. his policies poe measure. when i talk to sanders supporters out on the campaign trail, what i hear, less so than criticism of politicians is criticism of the entire american political system. the cozy relationship between washington bureaucrats and wall street. charles: south korea says north korea has fired a ballistic missile into the sea. we'll find more details and bring them to you as soon as they come in. senator brown, to monica's point, we have a supreme court nominee. on the black social media site, there was a lot of -- a lot of indig nation wasn't a black woman. you can understand where a white male 45 years old without a college degree is feeling their opportunities are limited and the few they have are being taken away from them. >> when you look at bernie sanders, he is a career politician. the fact that he's supposedly this outsider is almost laughable. especially having served with him for three years. the occupy wall street movement, you get the black lives matter, all these radical groups trying to hijack democracy and freedom of speech, and there is a lot of resentment. i agree the party should have seen this a long time ago. it started with elizabeth warren being the crow i tore of the occupy wall street movement. people don't talk, they don't like each other, they don't work together. i'm an american, i'm not a goper, i'm an american first. we are in this together. if we don't get our act together we are going to be in deep trouble. that's where i'm moving and i'm preaching to people. charles: monica, do you think it's a flash in the pan? >> there is a movement and there is something happening. i see more parallels between bernie and trump. they are talking about the anti-trust exemption for insurance companies since 1945. we had this huge overhaul of healthcare. charles: they are talking about trade and a lot of things regular folks talk about that they feel hurt them. we'll talk about senate minority leader harry reid blaming donald trump on the republican party. he says it's a tea party driven by the darkest forces that forced this on the american public. harry reid versus donald trump in the gop. >> the republican establishment acts bewildered. but they should not be dewill derred. as much as they try to distance themselves, they are responsible for his rise. they replaced engagement with resentment. this is the hatred that created the conditions for trump to rise. republican leaders conditioned -- created the drought conditions. donald trump has simply struck the match. republicans began chart the path to donald trump 8 years ago. charles: that was senate minority leader harry reid, lambasting the rise of donald trump for th. this time the dems probably feel donald trump is a better poster boy for it. let me start with you, richard. as they have gone through the old playbook, gop races and they elevated one of their own. it feels like it's starting to backfire. >> which part of these arguments that democrats are making is part of the old playbook ames not mainstream? not disavowing white supremacist groups, protecting women's rights. charles: he disavowed a dozen times. >> which of these things that's not mainstream, charles? is protecting voters' rights not mainstream? he was happy to disavow david duke. but when asked the question which white supreme spift groups you are talking about. the question is which ones are you happy to have support from. we have never had a candidate for president who struggled with the question of which racist groups do you disavow. charles: boris, usual a trump supporter. where is he getting this wrong? >> richard? richard is getting it all wrong. we have been on a lot together and he's a friend by the's all wrong and incorrect. the talk about the kkk and white supremacist groups all wrong. he said repeatedly that he does not want that endorsement or the endorsement of any white supremacist or racists. what do you think of the notion he's a sexist or racist. charles: i look at these poll numbers, this a new one out. reuters, 50% of women have a negative impression of donald trump. to a degree it feels like it might be working for the democrats. that's a very negative. it's a slender amount to have a positive amount. >> someone could change their minds. but the other 50 are open for voting for donald trump. also, donald trump is going to be so strong in michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, those blue collar democrats, it will makeup the difference. >> harry reid is making the argument that republic krans the reason donald trump exists. but the democrats are responsible in a large part because political correctness, the kind harry reid has been preaching for many years, accusing even the most basic words as being racist or bigoted. then you have donald trump who starts flipping tables and swaimtion on his mind, and people finds that uniquely refreshing where the democratic party created an era of censorship. charles: do you feel like you are joining forces with harry reid? >> i agree with harry reid that republicans contributed to donald trump but not for the reasons he said. republicans have been breaking a lot of promises. they passed immigration fights off to the court and they continued to fund obamacare. so voters are mad at the republicans. look at the exit polling. you have 60% of republicans saying they are angry with the republicans. you have got 55% saying they are angry with washington in general. so more anger towards the republicans than washington. i think they are picking a fraud one in trump. charles: the mid-term result. >> people are tired of the same old promises from washington. that's why he's winning. >> it would be true if he weren't the most reviled candidate ever to run for offers. by any accounting, 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ins to overcome. >> here i what i know about polls. polls are a trend. secondly, when they make the data available, i have found that some of the polls are skewed. i actually found one poll -- i'm not referring to any particular one of these. where they had 500 democrat and 200 republicans in a poll. when they go out and poll millennials and non-white, blacks, et cetera, i believe the polls are also skewed. here is a reason i don't believe they are reflective of trump's ability to attract non-whites. they are being spoon fed by some in the liberal media want them to have about donald trump. when he's one-on-one with hillary clinton he will begin to try to get more of this message out rather than what many in the media are spoon feeding them about the per accepting of donald trump. charles: the mainstream media will be trying to help hillary clinton with the demonization of donald trump particularly with the so-called minority community and women. >> i read the article it's liberal propaganda. they believe if they write it it must be true. charles: in the pa it has been effective against republican candidates. he's not representative all young black men but my young 19-year-old son says his first vote will be for donald trump. >> money talks. i have a plan. i have a group of national security advisers who have a very comprehensive strategic plan that they use around the world that they can use domestically. and i'm look for domestic prominent leaders to help me execute this strategy. if he does this strategy, he will win. mr. mccain you are at top of that list. i hope i can count on you. >> count me in. here is why. let me make this point, charles. she can couldn't me in, because first i think she is spot on with a lot of her observations about trump's strategy. anecdotally, this is why i believe the polls are misleading. i have a national radio show. every week i get black people and women to call my show and make the statement unsolicited, i'm going from voting 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here. >> i live in houston. i drink the oil kool-aid. i see this every day. who knows what's going to happen with oil. charles: it seems like saudi arabia is blinking. they are selling u.s. bonds and fighting a war in yemen. >> what has been causing hiccups for the market doesn't have anything to do with the american economy. consumers have the lowest level of consumer debt. charles: i think a lot of them will never spend the way they used to spend. >> a vast majority of a consumer's wealth is tied up in their home. the consumer is feeling all right. and what you are seeing with the market is more to do with the fed. charles: to commit to four rate hikes this far in advance was kind of stupid. peter, you like donald trump's trade policies. would they or could they derail this green suit environment we are in? >> absolutely not. think about what the japanese prime minister did. he ran on the notion he was going to devalue his currency. it didn't blow up japan or his economy. donald trump is saying i'm going to fix that. i want to rebalance trade with china and japan. i don't expect him to build a wall on the mexican bored. he's a businessman, he's not stupid. i don't think it will derail the economy at all. charles: the obama administration is calling out isis using the "g" word. . i know you're my financial advisor, but are you gonna bring up that stock again? well you need to think about selling some of it. my dad gave me those shares, you know. he ran that company. i get it. but you know i think you own too much. gotta manage your risk. and you've gotta switch to decaf. an honest opinion, even if you disagree. with 13,000 financial advisors, it's how edward jones makes sense of investing. . >> my purpose in appearing before you today is to assert that in my judgment dash is genocidal by self-proclamation, by ideology and by actions. charles: well, that was secretary of state john kerry using the genocide word to describe the heinous crimes committed by crisis. for people, it's a little too late, too broad in terms of who he's talking about. christians feel that still this administration does not get it maybe being too politically direct. back with me, stacy, christian and erick. hopefully this is something concrete being done about this? >> not really, just john kerry moving something out of the inbox. he was under pressure to determine whether isis was engaging in genocide or not. and the administration said delay is what caused kerry to act. the traditional way or the more recent way we've dealt with people engaged in unlawful combat is through guantanamo and the administration wants to close, that and the idea that obama or kerry or anyone else is going to become a greater spokesman or start more coherent plan to defeat isis isn't going to happen. and lastly, the problem for christians in the middle east is they have no advocate. the pope occasionally mentions something but he's apt to criticize america. these people are ethnically cleansed out of syria. charles: richard goodstein, feels too little too late from the obama administration. feels disingenuous. >> isis controls less territory today than a year ago. charles: what about the genocide of christians. >> hold on a second. so isis' whole mission is to take out everybody. yazidis, christians, shia muslims who don't subscribe to -- charles: why does it take so long for obama to admit this, kerry to admit. this the slaughter, the genocide? >> they got tripped up what the implication of the genocide label would be in terms of what they are responsible to do as a result. but the fact of the matter is, again, the thing they're doing is pushing back. you wouldn't know it if you watched certain outlets. charles: i got you. let me just -- less than a minute left in the show, and stacy, we're talking about genocide of christians and a lot of people are saying why have we allowed this to happen for so long? >> i believe the problem is first of all, we're calling isis islamic terrorists, radical islamists. what they really should be called is islamic fascists. because what is happening is islam is being politicized and islamic fascism can be shia or sunni, can be both. and it is an authoritarian government trying to impose its will on the world. and until we figure out how to beat that government, we can't beat isis. charles: all right, well, they are genocidal. erick, sorry we couldn't get to you. at home, we appreciate you watching. we're doing well. now the man himself, lou dobbs next. lou: good evening, everybody, i'm lou dobbs. the gop establishment tonight is playing a very dangerous game as they have made stopping donald trump a number one priority of their party. these are the same gop elites who have screwed up and lost two presidential elections in a row. and today, a secretive group of republican operatives and conservative leaders met for some five hours in washington. they were there talking about ways to deny voters who want donald 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