shutdown of muslims entering the united states. john: are these candidate war mongers? >> we need to increase our military spending. >> we'll find you and we'll kill you. john: do any of the republican candidate stand for freedom? that's our show tonight. this week just sick republican candidate are left. five who i think have a shot at winning. trump, rubio, cruz, bush, and kasich. i left out ben carson because the betting odd which are the best predictor give carson less than 1% chance of winning. tonight we focus on the leading 5. at elect time the media focuses opening trivial thing. the day to day changes are not important stuff. what's important is freedom, prosperity, security, which candidate is likely to bring us that? and who has the best ideas or the best bad ideas? tonight we have matt welch. is there any good news? >> libertarians from where they always are, on the outside looking in and talking about values and policy rather than personalities. since rand paul left the race, i don't think there i anyone who will do well among libertarians. rand paul wasn't doing so well either. john: 7 years ago "reason" wrote an article written by you, "the libertarian moment." >> it was written right after the financial crisis. there was no glimmer of hope collector alley about libertarianism. we argued that anything that happens on the libertarian front will happen to poll figures last. they don't get to go out of business. they still suck all our money. john: in the private sector. libertarians, ideas and actions are flush i shaling. >> we can tailor customize our lives and apply that in politic. we have seen marijuana legalized in half a dozen state. we have seen gay marriage legalized in this country. so when people talk about the libertarian moment and a. >and -- and poo-poo it, they are trying to make the conversation about presidential politic. john: most of life is not about that. >> thank god. john: but the rest of this show is. let's talk about the last man standing. i'll rank number order of where they are in odd of winning the nomination. but you range them how a libertarian would range them. who is best? >> ted cruz. of the field, i guess. it's not that i'm going to vote for the man. but he has the combining of not as much of an interventionist militarily. he lines up with rand paul somewhat on surveillance issues, criminal justice issues. too much of a social justice conservative. john: you put bernie sanders third. >> in many ways bernie sanders has the most libertarian positions on marijuana, which he would like to get the federal government out of. he's now better than ted cruz on those thing. he's less of than interventionist. john: why are you so anti-trump? he's leading. lots of republicans think, he's speak up for me. >> he wants to deport u.s. citizens born of illegal immigrant. he want to ban muslims coming into the youth. that's crazy. that's fundamentally anti-american. he want to slap 45% tariffs on china and slap tariffs on ford for moving to mexico. he's a danger. john: but he's the frontrunner. trump, the leader in the betting. he's way ahead. the betters give him a 50% chance of getting the nomination. we asked trump if he would appear to defend himself but his campaign suggests we talk instead to henry mcmaster, the senator from south carolina. when you endorsed trump you said it's base has lot of for the people of his country and the determination to get the job done. this sounds like silly boiler plate so sweet i'm getting cavities from that. what does that mean? >> well, i guess you would have to go to one of the rallies or see him with people to get a feel for it. i have never seen anything like this. we have had 8,000, 10,000 people. some driving hundreds of miles to come see him. people are cheering. they want to touch him, they want to shake his hand, they want autograph. he speaks his mind in a language everybody can understand. he's got no reason to dereceive or trick anybody. he's running his own campaign with his own money. spending his own money. i believe he many the man. he can win the general election. we'll need something different. he's an unusual man. and everyone that meets hip like him or as i do. john: he's an unusual candidate and unusual man. i don't know what make him qualified to be president. let me just push back. i'm nervous about your candidate because he wins votes, that you talked about, with these big promises. first he says he will solve the illegal immigration by hitting mexico to pay for a huge wall. >> yesterday the top person president of mexico said we'll never ever pay for that wall. the press called me up. you know what i said. i said the wall just got 10 feet higher. [cheers and applause] john: the audience a. [applause] the speech was at clemson university. trump's claim that they will get mexico to build a wall. when the president of mexico says he won't pay for it. your guy says he will make it 10 feet higher? >> there are provisions in trade agreements and current law that would allow for mexico to pay for that wall. john: how would that pay? they pay for a wall to keep their people out? >> that's right. john: then you are happy he insults the president of mexico and says he's going to make the wall 10 feet higher? >> you will have to have someone speak to him in a language he understands. and i promise mr. trump speaks in a language everybody can understand including mr. putin and everybody else around the world who are paying not a bit of attention to us right now. we are running a deficit with them now. that's something that needs to change. there is a lot of money going back and forth across that border. john: so what if we run a deficit with mexico. >> that's not good. more money is going out to mexico. that's not way we want it. john: we are giving them pieces of paper and they are giving us stuff. it's not like a budget deficit. this is just economic ignorance. you are a lawyer. >> what you are displaying is economic ignorance. it's not good to have all those deficits. john: we'll go back to immigrants. do you support his idea to deport all 12 million illegals. >> if we deport the illegal immigrant gang members that come into the clutches of law enforcement and deport the illegal immigrant criminals, use e-verify, only 500 companies are using that. john: because it's not accurate. >> you have got to start somewhere. it's the rule of law, mr. trump is for it and so am i. john: after the terrorist killing in vawb *, your candidate said this. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. john: how do you know they are muslims, there are 2 billion in the world. 3 million muslim americans. they can't visit relatives in indonesia and return? >> there are certain parts of the world where everybody is a muslim. you could start with that as a clue. john: ban all travel to a big part of the world? >> if you have listen to all of the candidates within all of them are saying don't let anybody in this country unless we know who they are and why they are coming here. that is virtual live the same thing that donald trump received except he received it in different words. john: i have been pulled into the attacks on donald trump because years ago i gave donald trump a hard time because he used his political connections to get new jersey to condemn a woman's house so he could take it to expand his casino. now ted cruz put part of my interest view of into one of his tv ads. >> it stood in donald trump's way. to him she was a nobody. trump gangd with atlantic city government. >> you are pulling these people out. >> this is a government case. this is not donald trump. john:ist's donald trump. it's you and your cronies working together. >> your tone sounds as bad as the negative tv ads i have been watching. there is no private eminent domain. i can't go out and condemn your property base want to do something with it. the government entity has to have a good reason. john: trump gave it politicians money so they condemned their home. >> this sounds like a tv ad. you are making a good tv ad. i don't believe it's based on fact as all. donald trump always tells the truth as he sees it and as he knows it. you don't have to worry about any slippery words or loopholes or half-truths or anything like that. and the people know that. it's a unique thing in politics as far as my memory with politics in this country is concerned. john: thank you lieutenant governor mcmaster. coming you have, candidates two, three, four and five, i'll grill their supporters. ♪ they say that in life, we shouldn't sweat the small stuff. but when you're building a mercedes-benz, there really is no small stuff. every decision... every component... is an integral part of what makes the 2016 c-class one of our most sophisticated cars ever. because when you're setting a new benchmark for refinement, it is the small stuff... that makes the biggest impression. the 2016 c-class. lease the c300 for $399 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. john: in second place for the betting for the presidential nomination former senator marco rubio, betting odds give him a 25% chance of winning the nomination. representing marco rubio and representing him is former new york governor george pataki. why do you like marco rubio? >> i think he will be a president who brings americans together with a vision of the future. america that unites us. we have too many politicians from obama on down who have intentionally divide americans for their own political benefit. marco rubio is the opposite. listening to him and his comments and his record as a senator in florida and his vision for america. i'm impressed and proud to be supporting him. john: the washington examiner said in new hampshire you went door to door to build support for him. pataki was sprinting up driveways. you are 70 years old, you sprint up driveways? you don't walk for office, you run for office. i said no, we have to get moving here. john: we libertarians like parts of rubio's plan. he talks about entitlements being unsustainable. he said we may have to retire at 68 and 68 1/2. that's not enough to solve it. >> it could soft it depending on what other steps you take. marco rubio understands we have to reform entitlements to make them sustainable. >> he says they have to change and they will change. it's easy to lay out a plan. it's a harder thing as the executive to get it through. we saw that with president bush who tried to reform social security. john: it's not popular. >> it's not popular but it's necessary. john: he opposed the auto bailout and cash for clunkers and the import-export bank. he's been a sound economic conservative. he doesn't want government picking winners and losers. let' go to where we don't agree. some people say he's just a pretty face with no experience. he's like obama. >> i don't think that's true at all. >> he gives the same speech all the time. >> he doesn't give the same speech all the time. he outlined in my view of the best foreign policy for the united states to protect us and keep us safe of any candidate in either party. he has a record of being very proactive as opposed to our current president who never bothered to use his positions to get briefings. and, you know, and so many of these issues he's far ahead of the others. he is a senator and he's also speaker of the house. that's a leadership position that allows you to manage it and bring people together. >> let's go to your point about the military. he does have a military plan. but i have a problem with this. even though we are going broke, he wants to spend more and wants the military to do more. he called my favorite candidate an isolationist for resisting military spending. >> tino iran is a committed isolationist. i believe the world is a stronger and better place when the united states is the best military in the world. >> how is it conservative to add a trillion dollars in military expenditures. >> the number one job of the government is to protect its people. this president has shrunk our military. we want to be strong so that we don't have to use that military. when you are weak you encourage aggression by others. and think about the economic consequences of something like september 11. yes, he want to spend more on the military, but less on other programs. i completely agree with that. john: we already pend more than the rest of the world combined. three times what china which is next. >> we are the united states of america. the world look to us for positive leadership. marco rubio has the best plan. yes we need to invest in our military but america understands that and would support that. >> how much? $800 bi? >> i don't think you can lay out a figure number or period of time. if it's a trillion over the next decade, so be it. manage the cost of not protecting america. john: senator rubio generally is against subsidies but in nor today he's fine with subsidies for his supporters in the sugar business. >> i don't agree with 100% of what marco rubio agrees with. when you are from florida, the sugar trimatters. when you are from new york the financial trimatters. when you are from california -- yawn * even if it's bad for the rest of the country. >> in your role as senator from your state you do. as president i would think we would not need subsidies. john: who is in third place and who will defend him? you're an at&t small business expert? sure am. my staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. at&t can help you stay connected. am i seeing double? no ma'am. our at&t 'buy one get one free' makes it easier for your staff to send appointment reminders to your customers... ...and share promotions on social media? 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i hear that as giving in to big-spending democrats. some republicans say governor kasich is not conservative of any to be their nominee. one group ran this sad. >> common core, barack obama? no. john kasich. john: yesterday i thought government kasich would be here tonight. his staff said the governor would like to join us. but shortly before our show they stopped answering our phone callings and emails. i don't know why. but it means i will have to examine the governor's record without him. first the bad part. part of obamacare was a deal to offer states extra money about they would expands medicaid. governor kasich said sure we'll take it money. and asked to defend this government expansion he invoked god. he says when you die and you meet st. peter he will ask you what you did for the poor. it sounds compassionate and kinds. but a republican governor should know the big government program hurt the poor more than they help. newly eligible for medicaid patients are learning yeah, i'm covered but no doctor will see me. medicaid patients wait longer and receive less care than the uninsured. thanks, government. then there is the cost. america is going broke most live because of big handouts like medicaid. kasich against the wishes of the republican legislature chose to make that problem worse? why? i understand that he wants to balance his state's budget and he has to while the feds don't. attempting to take free federal money. but he's not responsible. most republican governors turn the money down wisely seeing free government money comes with strings. obamacare promised to cover all the costs, but only for a few years. next year the handout drops the by 10% which the state must pay. the governor says he supports free trade. it's a big part of what america a good place to live. we are much more prosperous because goods can cross borders and more americans can specialize in what we do most efficiently. but it turns out that kasich is not really for free trade. he's not for it if some ohio steel workers might lose trade. >> hop trade. but we won't be as. we won't d but we won't be saps. i'm for clamping down when the united states worker gets shot of thes because somebody is cheating on a trade agreement. john: by that he means countries like china sell steel below cost. but if that's true, what that means is china taxes its people. so it can sell us cheaper stuff. and that's a good deal for us. yet some american steel work percent may lose jobs. but more americans gain jobs because everything made from steel becomes cheaper. that trade is good for america and i think kasich knows it. kasich's good part. he's reasonable about immigration. i like the answer he gave when he defended a path for immigration for people already here. >> you think we are going to chase them down and go into neighborhoods hunting them down? that's not what america is. john: it's a good retort to donald trump. it's not what america is. kasich has been good on spending. he cut ohio's cost. not as much as jeb bush but more than all the other governors who ran for president. so that's good. good enough to end this segment with praise for kasich from another politician. during one of kasich's events he got a call from the terminator. >> it doesn't people fear and pain and he can take a beating, and he absolutely would not stop ever, never give up. this is you. you are the terminator. john: i wish kasich really were. but the real terminator wouldn't wash a war on drugs, increase medicaid within suck up to steel unions. kasich is no terminator. maybe that's why he's in place. next some great things candidates propose this year. all of these candidates would be much better candidates than today's frontrunners. my school reunion's coming fast. ♪ could be bad. could be a blast. can't find a single thing to wear. will they be looking at my hair? 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