and many dado records and bank records and then for the president to say stop soaring all of those records, that is one for the too much to believe record. and the bottom line is that the nsa has been shaken but not stirred and clearly not stopped. as an agency that is abusive, far from arrested. so for all of those that think that this is ending, it is providiig a few weeks a cover for spies who might temporarily go into hiding. because that is the thing about james bond. how many times a day tried to kill him and couldn't. and lots of money and spies. that is why there was sky fall and that is why for size the sky will never fall. still serious and still upset. larry is here and he just said that they are risking doing something that is unconstitutional. do any of the presidents actions to become for today? >> no, you're absolutely right in your analysis here. first of all, this never would've come to life if not for edward snowden in mid-september and mid-december. the reality is that obama got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and the nsa has to come up with an excuse. and today put in charge of making the so-called reforms? james clapper, the director of national intelligence who committed perjury to congress and lied and said they were not spying and eric holder of "fast and furious" and irs gate, he has also lied to congress. it is powerful and influential. and it's very likely that anything will happen. niel: so they throw this one and then another line. no matter how many lines that we draw in the sand, people just kicked the sand right back in the notion is that the president really doesn't mean what he says. you mention what is going on in the justice department and what is going on within the nsa and i look at the irs with an investigation that has been downgraded one that won't involve any criminal charges. >> and that is the problem. we have a government with corrupt leaders. those that don't tell the truth, whether it's any of these scandals or obamacare or whatever. but the reality here is that we are not against legitimate spying. and why was it necessary to get the metadata? it doesn't mean that the government isn't when access it. niel: edward schmidt is going to talk to us about this. so bill, i'm going to you first. it is your expertise that has led to this crisis. >> one of the things that we suggested to the white house and the congress as one of the things that they should do to help perform nsa, it is to have a set that technical people are assigned to. because they are in the pocket of the agency. but all of congress where they are cleared and can go into the nsa and all the networks and the databases and see what is there. see the processes that they are doing and verify what they actually have had and are doing and make sure that everything they say to the court sent to the congress and the administration and the republic is true. they are raining an end. >> howard? >> yes, and that is one of the issues that we wind up dealing with this kind of figure out what are those boundaries and intelligence pieces that we need while at the same time protecting privacy and civil liberties. it's really interesting. not as often as he talked about homeland security and protection of citizens. niel: what i worry about is that the balance between us, a lot of free speeches and it is focusing on the 2 degrees around a bad guy. like a terrorist group and that doesn't quite go far enough. it just talks about analysis. and that will lemonade that collection and also will satisfy the citizens of the united of states. >> well, that is what the issue of transparency and openness that we had after 9/11. and that is one piece that we would have the inside to do it. and that is with congress. congress hears one side of the story and they don't hear the entire piece of it and they don't understand the technology. so as a consequence they are on the side of the intelligence that says we will support this. niel: thank you both so much. the president is trying to tamp the nsa scandal down. but it keeps flaring up. need a guy who says they are involved in a massive cover-up. over a hack attack that will just not let up. 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[laughter] neil: i don't understand that. >> how about the juggling? in the juggling while driving should be against the law. [laughter] >> the driver has to be responsible. neil: they need to be responsible for their actions. >> i'm saying that i should be allowed to drink a big gulp pop if i want to. i choose not to drink the whole thing because it's my responsibility to drive end of responsibly to where the technology or not is mine. neil: if you get these things like ray bans, okay i'm with you. otherwise i'm not. meanwhile, democrats and the president. we will have the update next what super poligrip does for me is it keeps the food out. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. [ male announcer ] just a few dabs is clinically proven to seal out more food partles. [ corrine ] super polrip is part of my life now. you are gonna need a ngman. and my cash back keeps the party going. but my airline miles take it worldwide. 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