About planes. They also publish photos in their own telegrams, and this was published by a military spectator, roman bochkala. They are trying to use such Protection Systems to protect their planes from infrared radiation so that they become less visible. So we continue the topic of russia and putin will lose in the event of a protracted war in ukraine, why did the president of ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy answer in an interview to the british magazine the economist from lets listen putin doesnt understand that he will lose in the long war because it doesnt matter if he is supported by 60 or 70 of russians, nor if his economy loses serhii fursa investment banker economist joins of our etaru p sergiu good evening glory to ukraine and please evaluate the words of the president in the context of russia, the possibilities of the russian economy, how strong it is, how much safety margin it has, well, look, if we expect that the russian economy will collapse and russia will collapse there in the near future, this will not really happen they have strengths, but at the same time the president is right because it is not possible for the russians to wage a war of attrition because a war of attrition is always a war of attrition of economies and if it were its just the economy of ukraine against the economy of russia, the russians really won here by a large margin, but there is a war of attrition even between the ukrainian and russian economy, and between the collective action and ukraine against russia , but you two are all 10 times less than the total gdp of the countries themselves and here they simply do not have the ability to withstand this marathon , and on the other hand, for the countries themselves , for example, it is a small problem to support the ukrainian economy all this time, as they are now preparing the ukrainian budget and so on they actually supply us with the weapons with which we fight. Both these and those exchanges are not critical at all for the economy of the collective west. They wanted there to sink this economy, such fluctuation is a very correct word, the ruble fluctuates in them, now fuel prices do not fluctuate, and there is such a paradoxical story that the gas station country is experiencing a fuel shortage, well, domestically the market that, in principle, i am an anomaly, and both are the result of sanctions, in fact, which work simply, again, the question is that sanctions are expected to work to deplete the russian economy , and that it should gradually be militarized and degraded, sanctions are aimed at limiting resources in russia, against sanctions, they cannot lead to that we sometimes expect that something will happen instantly like some kind of explosion and the russian economy will end and all russians will suddenly be on the street well, but look at that one you mentioned and the fluctuations of the dollar and fuel, yes, it would seem, well, nonsense, well, this is not my opinion, yes, there are problems with fuel, today, yesterday, or when, the other day , boeing planted fields in russia, yes, that is , because it had some kind of problem there. I dont remember what, im not an aviation expert, but they were forced to put me directly in the field. You know what will happen in certain economic niches in russia. Which niche can die first. Which one do you know will not affect the general situation in country, but look again, dont expect it to die will degrade because the idea is some kind of replacement is going on more less efficient production is going more expensive production in fact what could have died died there last year when it came to car production in russia when they simply stopped almost all factories and now reoriented themselves to driving expensive chinese cars but to say that some industry there will die completely well, it will not die yes, its just that development for the modern economy, Constant Development is constantly needed, it is impossible in such conditions and there is degradation instead development is something more expensive, for example, russian oil, russians sell oil in certain volumes, but revenues from this are constantly falling because the purpose of the sanctions is not to stop russian oil from entering the foreign market, but to limit the income of russians from russian oil, but to limit it, not to zero. What they are, relatively speaking, in india. God, its okay, they already said the time limits. Thank you, serhiy, but i still have many questions on this topic. Thank you for joining. Serhiy fursa , investment banker, economist, was with us on connection a next eh next a short pause after which we will talk about the situation in the United States, the speaker of the us house of representatives Kevin Mccarthy supported the start of formal proceedings regarding the impeachment of joe biden, we will talk about this with the correspondent of the ukrainian voice of america Kateryna Lisunova joins us ekaterina, we greet you, i dont know whether its morning or night for you right now, so its almost night here, so how to interpret this, uh, this is the beginning of the formal impeachment procedure, do you really know it can shake under biden the chair against the background of these statements is a wonderful question. Indeed, ukraine has repeatedly covered the impeachment proceedings against the United States of america, in particular because, for example, one of the first impeachments against trumps actions concerns ukraine in particular, and as we already know that e it is necessary to completely remove the current president from office, the impeachment should be voted for by both houses, i. E. The house of representatives, and it is the price that has Just Announced the beginning of the investigation into the impeachment of the current president , john joe biden, in the house of representatives and here it is worth noting what exactly they incriminate jozga biden and so the republicans throw out bidens abuse of power, obstruction, corruption and, in particular, in favor of the business interests of his family , i note that Kevin Mccurdy noted in part of his speech that biden was lying when he claimed that he did not participate in Business Affairs of his family and does not know at all about the Business Affairs of his family, also according to mccarthy, almost 20 Million Dollars from the United States of america were sent to members of the biden family through various fronts company, in addition, it is claimed that the ministry of finance of the United States of america has more than 150 transactions with the participation of the bidenite family, which were marked by american banks as suspicious and e. Hm. Membership in the board of directors of the Ukrainian Energy company burizma and i dont know if we have bidens statement that we can extract, i suggest you listen to it im sorry statement on the map yes on the map biden used his official position to coordinate with Hunter BidensBusiness Partners hunters role in the Ukrainian Energy company borisma despite all these serious accusations, it seems that the Biden Administration offered the president s family special treatment, but here it is worth noting that the corresponding statements and corresponding accusations of the republic were voiced repeatedly in the public sphere and against the positions of President Biden and already before that, like biden , the Biden Administration rejected all these accusations and actually said that they are not involved in those things that incriminate biden, what he said, he rejects all these accusations, this is not a discussion about abstract principles and philanthropy. Neparzel hamptomirl the senate has shown that a bipartisan compromise is entirely possible when the house returns to the session on tuesday. Allornothing tactics, we just listened to the speeches of the direct senate, the leader of the republicans and the leader of the democrats in the senate, and they did not directly refer to the impeachment , they related to the approval of Financial Issues , directly to the budgetary issues of the United States of america, but here it is important to note that the farright republics in the Chamber Representatives stated that they will not agree to the budgetary issues. If they are not met , a number of their demands will not be met, and such demands include, in particular, the initiation of the impeachment procedure against baidu, as well as the suspension of any aid to ukraine, so some republicans in the house of representatives are directly tying impeachment procedures with aid to ukraine and to the agreement of Financial Issues, he noted that during this month until october 1 no, unfortunately, there is no sound from them for some reason, kateryna , but thank you. We have heard the main basic information about this. Well , we will watch. About the possible impeachment of us president joseph biden, and the leader of north korea, kim jongun, in russia, about the arrival of his armored train to vladivostok , the Propaganda Agency ria novosti has already announced that it is in the far east that his meeting with russian president putin will take place for the purpose of the visit New York Times calls the transfer of modern technologies for the space industry and submarine fleet to pyongyang, as well as food aid in return, moscow expects to receive korean ammunition during the meeting, promised to closely monitor in in washington, the representative of the state in the usa, matthew miller, warned of new sanctions against the dprk if it provides weapons to russia. Oleksandr krayev, expert of the council of Foreign Policy, ukrainian prisma joins our broadcast. Oleksandr , good evening. Glory to ukraine glory to you. Congratulations. Thank you for joining. So, in your opinion , what can this lead to . Meeting because there was an intrigue to the last, whether it will happen or not , this whole story was kept a secret, so we have already seen a picture, your thoughts on this visit a more realistic version of what will happen is that, in principle, we will have a classic rendezvous of two dictators, one of them needs weapons, and the other of them needs resources, and by the way, first of all, food, therefore , in fact, the russians will trade food for weapons to north korea, therefore that both regimes are almost the most subservient states in the world. Well, russia is the most subservient country. Korea is in third place. Both regimes are currently going through very difficult times because china is trying to balance its relations with the west at their expense and accordingly, both regimes realize that they remain almost the only options for each other for a fullfledged fullscale partnership, and therefore for them this is an adequate development of Foreign Policy in a more negative, more threatening scenario , we can talk about the fact that both countries can establish Nuclear Cooperation because we in korea, they are developing their potential , the russians are trying with all their might to show some technical progress in this light, and therefore this would be exactly the threat of diplomatic escalation that putin was so aggressively looking for and which it was so profitable for the russians. And does korea actually have the ammunition that russia needs so much, or do they have reserves that are left . Well, unfortunately, we still have to state that it is not only the reserves, but that north korea was able to form a certain of its own nuclear weapons. It is not comparable to south korea, well, it is not comparable in any way, but the logic , ideology, or che was precisely that the actual production of weapons, ammunition , equipment, it was an indicator of power and remains such an indicator, accordingly , all other areas of industry, all other areas Innovative Technologies are basically absent, so in korea, in addition to the remnants of the soviet remnants of old weapons, there is a certain stock of their own created systems that essentially mimic the soviet systems, they reproduce them with more modern technologies and repeat that and this is really what korea can transfer to the russians, plus we have seen that one way or another, the dprk can produce its own missile ammunition. The dprk is capable of obtaining its own missile program. Although at the cost of the lives and health of its own population, korea still has something to offer the russians in this regard to the dictatorial tour guide oleksandr please tell me hmm who can have influence in this story besides the usa, which we mentioned and how significant it can be to prevent this cooperation, the americans have already said that in the event of the start of the supply of weapons, they will introduce additional sanctions in this case, we will not we are talking. I understand the sanctions against these specific countries because, one way or another , most of the sanctions against them have already been introduced , we rather mean secondary sanctions for secondary sanctions this is what rostesh can force the partners of both countries are affected by secondary sanctions these are those sanctions that are carried out against third countries that help korea and russia to circumvent the sanctions regimes introduced by the west, and therefore, in fact, if they start trading weapons, sanctions will be imposed on china , sanctions will be imposed on india, sanctions will be imposed across the Central Asian states and one way or another, but this conglomerate of countries that are all part of the ussr well, not counting north korea, they will find ways to put pressure on russia. They remain the only raw markets in which russia can trade at least something, and thats why i understand that the plan of the americans is to restrain the potential cooperation of two dictators with the hands of partner allied states. Ukrainian prizma was in touch with us, well , i hope we will have another opportunity to discuss the results of this visit, the chevrons that are approaching victory and another year when we do not celebrate but choose our independence, another day when they are trying to deprive us of the right to be ourselves and another instant of a terrible war that has been going on for centuries, but the whole world has already convinced us of our independence not to be trampled not to be drowned not to be burned not to be shot and the greater our hatred you are the stronger our independence is the closer our victory is independence we prove our independence every day we are afraid, we see, we laugh through tears, we shudder at the news here and abroad, in the trenches and in the rear, and with all our might we clench our teeth and move on, because we have something that does not extinguish our secret strength, the source of which is in ourselves every day every second i am so familiar with these feelings we had a director we were sitting in the basement women and children were constantly hearing explosions i slept dressed i had to be ready at any moment to get up and run but i said no this is my life i will not give it to anyone i went on live broadcasts, i understood if i have these powers and will share them with the ukrainians with the children who were next to me, i played a lot and at the same time started them how to provide first medical aid, helping others, i help myself, do you want to know how to help for yourself and others, go to the website how are you. Com for the popes layoff, the ukrainian defender pays for the defender and the ukrainian civilians who , when they go to bed, are not sure whether they will wake up in the morning, the pope should look for approaches to us, not we should look for approaches to the pope, andriy, i sincerely thank you for finding time for our conversation today. And you know, i still want to start our conversation with a question that will be close to our audience , given your experience. You have been a military serviceman since 2022. The cruel war started by russia against ukraine, your faith in no way. During this war, i saw many examples of humanity , i do not know the christian approach of selfsacrifice, and there in the examples in the mass media and also in the people i met there and in the zone i military operations and also in the rear, and because we have a lot of sacrifice, too, and the rear, that is why it did not waver. Catholic church on each the liturgy prays for the pope, but i have a question what are some very some very strange things are happening with the leadership of the Catholic Church, why are there so strange i would say offensive and false statements in particular from pope francis, so lets get to these statements right away and lets move on remember that last year, on june 22 , your column was published on ukrainian pravda called my prayer for pope francis, in particular, there you tried to reach him and talked about the importance of recognizing russia aggressor, a year has passed, a year has passed, has your opinion about pope francis changed, and how do you interpret his actions . Today i will remind you that pope francis addressed the russians again this year, to the youth of russia , saying that they are the descendants of a great empire , mentioning peter the first, catherine ii you interpreted such statements, i interpret it as a lack of education aaa or the pope himself or the people who erer surround him why because erer there are millions of believers in ukraine who remember erer the pope every time at the liturgy who are united with the Catholic Church and these people live in constant fear of being killed. Today, when we communicate with you, there is a clear understanding. Hmm, the russians will kill us as long as they have the opportunity. But again, heres a trailer i will add that we have this understanding, or is there such an understanding in the vatican . Well, let them open the newspapers. Well, let them just