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Transcripts For ESPRESO 20240703

No political season, exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front, freedom life, frankly and impartially draw conclusions yourself, dear friends , lets go back to rtr and now we will talk about what all these statements that have been coming from poland in recent days mean, with Yevgeny Magda as the executive director of the institute of world politics, which is already appearing in our stage , yevgeny, we congratulate you, congratulations, glory to ukraine duda , the president of poland said that ukraine resembles a drowning man, and everyone knows what happens to a drowning man when he he is trying to drag everyone else to the bottom, then a representative of the polish government, muller, said that polands aid for ukrainians who ended up in poland may be reduced, from 2024 they will stop paying this aid, and for ukrainian refugees in the affairs of the european union, polish szymon shynkowski valsenk allowed restrictions on aid to ukraine due to the fact that these disputes are economic around public support for the ban on ukrainian agricultural products. Make a certain impression on polish public opinion, this can be seen in polls on the level of public support, and this harms ukraine itself, the minister said. In the 20th year. Well, for poland , stepan ended then. Well, nevertheless, there are many comments, but in the end , Volodymyr Zelenskyi and mr. Duda did not meet allegedly due to some organizational reasons, but we remember from the photo of both president s, where they hugged and were those hugs were warm, thats literally the mages of andrii e, the former head of the cec, literally a brief opinion that this time in the un there was a more than transparent hint at the selfishness of the poles in slovakia, the romanians, the bulgarian, its just after duda, who from the high rostrum of the un or not came out most harshly in support of ukraine , as a result of which the meeting of the two president s was canceled. Well, lyubko petrenko is also a journalist, a wellknown longtime correspondent of deutsche welle, writes that our leadership is completely dizzy it happened that it declared a trade war with poland in this so we took advantage of the opportunity now in new york to speak from a high platform, what do you think about it, mr. Yevhen, first of all, this is september, traditionally , the session of the Un General Assembly , which is coming world leaders, the maximum maximum representation, even he lavrov was brought in a paddock for horses, wagons, im sorry, no, youre still on a plane, youre on a plane , well be fair to the plane, but i want to quote you when you didnt quote him because it sounded from the rostrum of the General Assembly the un is like some people in europe. Some of our friends in europe play solidarity in political theater, making a thriller out of grain. It may seem that they are playing their own role, but in fact they are helping to prepare the stage for the moscow actor, and this is a very important moment. Parliamentary elections will be held in poland in four weeks and the ruling the party of the rightwing justice. She runs the company emphasizing that it is antirussian. That is , there are objections about reparations not only from germany, but such a transparent hint that they will try to collect reparations from of russia and mentions of smolensk and a lot of accusations of their political opponents that they wanted to surrender eastern poland and here there is such a transparent hint after which you know it is clear that after dudas statement it was difficult to imagine a meeting between the two president s. Well, they would have a duel there they arranged guards with pistols, according to their own, well, i think it was too late, but we are victims of the fact that in poland, the situation in ukraine at the level of Research Institutions and state authorities is studied better than in ukraine is studying the situation in poland, this does not mean that our embassy is not working well, the embassy in poland is ukrainian. I think it is working perfectly with a plus. Because here people are simply overwhelmed by the amount of work, because poland is currently a Logistics Hub for the supply of military and Technical Assistance and when there lukashenko said that the wagnerites want to go to warsaw and rzeszow or ryaszow , as they sometimes say in ukraine. Things were not accidental and accordingly we need to Pay Attention to them and actively work with them october 15 parliamentary elections will be held in poland until then it will be difficult for us to talk about some real successes real transformations there is a real opportunity to find a common language because duda was more than a month ago over the graves of the soldiers of the ukrainian peoples republic who died in the 20th year , so to speak, pilsudskyi i think explained the situation why did they then go to the riga peace treaty with soviet russia , but duda said that we would support ukraine as much as you want, as long as it is necessary. Im sorry, but we have our own interests and we will protect them , thats why the Current Situation is that we should remain silent as much as possible, and then we were already looking for some opportunities, mr. Yevgeny, but here are these statements of the polish leadership, they can to go against the feelings of ordinary citizens who will then go to vote in the elections, either for the currently active ee leadership or for some other political force, well, it is quite obvious that different citizens feel differently, and voters of law and justice or voters confederations, they can be well, for example, the voters of the confederation already have more than 10 there, they, i think, are happy in such a way, that is, if duda had not reacted to this , to the aggravation of polishukrainian relations, then i think that b a situation in which uh simply because the confederation was collecting points on this and accordingly well i dont think that it uh would be a good idea for all of us that is actually uh today a situation continues in which there is well we are hostages to a large extent polish ukrainian ee give polish internal political struggle and we have at the moment, well, the choice is actually not very big because, for example , ukraine did not present its position in karpacha at the Economic Forum in poland, and then well , there was no, as i understand it, there were no ukrainian representatives except ambassador vasyl zvaricha on the forum in the well is like another fairly representative forum, well, such reviews of the economy and politics of poland , of course, what we have. Well, so to speak, the exchange of such blows is not very good in poland. That poland passed already the path of european euroatlantic integration. And we still have to go through it, but we also need to understand that when the polish minister of agriculture says that we will block ukraines entry into the eu, this is actually a statement aimed at the domestic consumer, because it is more expensive to block polands entry into the eu now. Excuse me, mr. President , when we say that well, this and that are impossible. We have not yet started negotiations on joining the eu so that poland could block something there. You mentioned two events in poland. And you say that representatives of the embassy were present at the events. I remember that Economic Economic form was there a peoples deputy oleg dunda and for the audience, i will remind you that he is a representative of the servant of the people, and here are other representatives of other political forces, for example , mykola knyazhytskyi, he joined this forum, but online because he was not allowed to go to this event, an illustration of what i also wanted to say whether this is not our own serious problem in communication with our neighbors, literally with everyone. That is, we are now quarreling we are starting to quarrel with all the neighbors who help us on the western side. I understand that there are reasons for this, perhaps it seems to us that this is their selfish position regarding the exchange of goods and so on and so on. With all due respect to mr. Dunda well, i just understand that there are people who would rather represent ukraine at this forum, he didnt come there by himself, he was invited there was a wonderful participation, was there a carp or about the truth, i was not on the panel with the participation of mr. Oleg i cant give well some kind of assessment because he spoke, but he definitely has a proukrainian position, that is, there are no questions here, by and large, at the moment, we suffer from the fact that after the declaration of our independence, in our foreign policy, we looked at whom, at your no, first at moscow out of 95, the equation was first for moscow, then the second is washington, then brussels and warsaw and minsk and bucharest, its uh, well , basically we do not have an effective neighborhood policy and our current relations around grain, for example, they undermined contacts with the countries of the visegrad four, well, apart from the czechs , we do not have a common border with the czech republic, so the question arises, how are we going to really integrate into the european union, what are we going to do, and in what way well, in fact, it is a very, very serious challenge and a serious problem, despite the fact that parliamentary elections will be held in slovakia and poland within the next month, and they must also be responded to accordingly. Well, i remembered to myself. If so a small lyrical digression about International Politics and International Cooperation when it was euro2012, uh, the president of uh, ukraine was yanukovych, one ukrainian tv channel that could afford it opened a Branch Office in poland , that is, from poland, to make materials for Ukrainian Television about life in poland, and i worked in that office and the demands were strange. They wanted to see stories. The editors wanted to see stories about the fact that life in poland is very bad and everything is bad, but it was funny and difficult to do about the fact that everything is so bad in compared to ukraine, and well, in the end, this office didnt live long, thats about, look here, actually, the situation in poland is , i wouldnt say that its so dramatic for us, well, that means there will be new ones for the application field, and you need to understand that there are certain conditions when we have to introduce a permanent dialogue, we have nothing to do without a dialogue , we have to realize that, but we, well , until recently, there was a high level of understanding between the president s, but there was no expert dialogue , and there was not much from what we have at the moment it exists and we just, by and large, we need to talk about many things and Pay Attention to them, how they will be implemented, that is, how we need to work with our partners so that the borders do not change in the near future it will be absolutely obvious. Well, finally, very briefly, if possible, there was a material on the routers, which is completely devoted to the possible corruption connection to the highest entourage of president zelensky, in particular oleg tatarov and irmak, who, by the way, are called there the green cardinal eh and actually, i draw attention to, well, actually the agency, to the fact that these two top officials are in no way related to any accusations of corruption, at least two of them have a rather strange train of various corruption scandals that follow them. They also mention this code and in the end zelensky himself, with all these stories about how he hid from paying taxes there, took his business offshore to the virgin islands, all this is recalculated and, in addition, they also remind us that 78 of ukrainians believe directly to zelenskyi, who is responsible for corruption in the country. By the way, let me remind you that there was a very painful reaction from the representatives of the president s office, who blamed the associators and that they are wrong to ask questions of ukrainians. This is what undermines the unity of society, so to speak, and this material is symbolic in your opinion. What the hell is he about . I will tell you. Yes, i am not sure. What will be said about him in the white house during zelenskyis meeting with biden . Well, at zelenskyis meeting with congressmen, because they also have is, so to speak, your wedding in the political sense, this question will definitely be heard, and if we want to maintain effective bipartisan support of the democrats and republicans, then the president must prepare to answer this question why is this happening . Pooh is just a bunch of people. Thank you, mr. Yevgena. Yevhen magde, the executive director of the institute of world politics, with whom they tried to deal with. But what is it about what is happening on the International Arena and what is happening on the International Arena around ukraine, we will now talk about the investigation conducted by the molfar Intelligence Agency regarding the fact that china continues to supply drones to russia and circumvent all possible sanctions, what schemes are in place , how is it possible and is it possible to somehow stop it artem starosik, the founder of the Intelligence Agency molfar, we will add it to our ether p. Artem. I greet you. Good day. These sanctions do not work because we saw messages from allukrainian volunteers who are engaged in the delivery of drones that it has become much more difficult for them to bury drones in china and russia buys quite a lot of these drones and at the same time issues news to china that they are no longer supplied well, they decided to conduct an investigation into how this happens. Since we know that russia is a rather bureaucratic state, they must have some kind of register for this. We found a register of certificates of conformity, that is, when people they bring roads to russia. They have to get a license for this , and in this register there were approximately 50 russian viruses that have a certificate of conformity. And it turned out that, in principle, more. Some of these Largest Companies that import drones, they all opened in Training Centers on the territory of russia, they open them officially, they have their persons, but they are, so to speak, a little they do not mention anything about the fact that these drones are used at the front. But if we start to look more deeply at these Training Centers, we see that they, for example, provide some new kveds that are needed for interaction with other bodies there, for example, the Training Center for celestial mechanics, they start to write that they started cooperation there with the development of the third, for example, you just opened an educational activity and received this license also after the parties started, and this is only the official part, but there is more unofficial, for example, Training Centers, for example, we saw the ustilga center, it is said that they do not have any personnel, but they calmly post photos of wifi drones there , they write that they teach how to use the guardsmen in order to use these semiliters and write that they will use them in the zaporizhzhia direction and this is all after china seems to have banned the choice of armor in russia , and if you are interested in the story from the school, it is called shuba otogon and their Training Center is located in the building and avk wagner in st. Petersburg, what is the Wagner Center . Well, they directly write there that they teach operators, as a result, there are none in which they will kill ukrainians, and there is even a jurasoba for zedron, and under this center, she also has a certificate of conformity, which i started talking about at the beginning, because of which countries, all these chinese drones enter russia, and usually these are countries that are located around russia, a refuge for its borders. And russia, lets say, has an influence on these countries, and whats interesting is that if we look at special registers, eh, hmm, because of how drones are imported, we saw there the last year they imported drones for only 250,000 and in principle this is a drop in the ocean but russia knows that they will conduct investigations and they are trying in various ways to remove the possibility of monitoring through these registers we are there in fact one of the approaches they simply change the names in eurosobs for example usually drones they are imported, give it back. They write to the iphone , for example, without a single letter, and then you wont find it through the registry with a simple search, and they remove from visibility, lets say, a large part of the drones, and the second scheme is also china it is used there, we call it the overloading scheme of the portal. In principle, at the beginning, they write that they, for example, send drones to the usa, and it seems that there is no import ban, and then when the ship , for example, is already standing, the party has left , just another ship comes to it in the sea , the drones are overturned and they are issued in russia and this is exactly what is difficult for clear, complex schemes, because china and russia have a huge land border that they cant, they just dont know how to drive it with trucks, its the same scheme in essence, somehow they also use ships overload, but the question is that, in principle, to some extent, sanctions work and they need to invent something more difficult every time , they cannot pretend to win, and this increases the price of the drone quite a lot. Russia, which imposes sanctions so that something gets to russia, have you seen this investigation , was there any reaction or could there be any reaction , as in principle, what kind of reaction do you expect from our experience, we have always distributed our investigations in ukraine and in countries that have an influence on sanctions processes , and we pass all this data to the journalists themselves, simply by western journalists, for a little longer, and we are now conducting just the break, and there with radio svoboda cherivska, as well as some mass media, and they are also planning to release this investigation about it is a matter of time,

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