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this kind of fabrication is delusional. and that's more and more of it, every date of birth, medic, health maintenance believe in ukraine. and that mean what moscow's bullying strategy is not working with that here? what? where is it worth it? to clarify the question, i just delivered it also coming up, europe's 1st vaccine mandate, austria makes coven 90 japs, compulsory. for most adults. now the hard part in forcing no other topic polarizes austrians as much as mandatory vaccinations. those who administered it is inside can only do sue the security nearby. there's concern about was tied all birth by and have access to our viewers watching a p b. as in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with a rendezvous of like mines at the winter olympics in beijing. today, russian president vladimir putin and chinese president, she's in pain, came together just hours before the opening ceremony to show the world that they are playing on the same t. a show of solidarity that produced a letter promising a joint and coordinated fight against attempts by other countries to undermine chinese and russian natural national interests. and china even went so far to say that it too is opposed to nato expansion. a russo sino push back against what much of the world agrees is true. russia is threatening ukraine with no cause and giving eastern european native members. a real reason to worry are covered starts tonight with the u. s. troops who are now headed across the atlantic. a final checks for the u. s. soldiers ahead of their rapid deployment to eastern europe. 2000 of them will bolster position johnny chose eastern flank in the face of russia's growing military presence there. though the white house has said it, trips will not enter ukraine. some say they are ready for anything. me and the rest of our formation here, we're just ready to go for whatever the nation needs is to do. and whatever that means we do. that's all we will do. it comes as the u. s. one of our russian false flag operation without offering any proof. good afternoon, one possible option the russians are considering and which we made public today involves the production of a propaganda video. a video with graphic scenes of false explosions, depicting court corpses, crisis actors planning to be mourners and images of destroyed locations or military equipment entirely fabricate, fabricated by russian intelligence. elsewhere in washington, lawmakers called for sanctions against moscow to be applied. no. we can introduce a sanctions package that imposes sanctions now for the provocation, where the opposed invasion sanctions that will destroy the russian economy. as we know it. that threat will have been hard to hear under the sound of ongoing, beller, russian, and russian lie fire, military drills, moscow's defense minister on site to watch the training exercises 1st hand rushes military presence and bella ruth is great or no. and at any point, since the end of the cold war, leading many to fear, this may be a pre cursor to an armed invasion. well, the pentagon is warning that russia plans to use a fake video as a pretext for invading ukraine to dave state. department spokesman, net price made that claim at a press conference in washington without presenting any concrete intelligence to support it. this is why we cannot report tonight that anyone has actually seen this alleged video. it is not because we are not trying to get an answer. today, a p journalists, matt lee did just that at the us state department. and this is what happened. what is the evidence that you have that suggest that, that, that the russians or even planning that mat. i mean, i'm not saying that they're not, but you just come out and say this and expect us to, to, to believe it. without you showing a shred of evidence that it's actually true. other them, when i asked or what anyone else asked what the information you said, well i just gave it to you, which was just you making a statement that you said yourself. you've been in this business for quite a long time. you know that when we make information, intelligence information public, we do so in a way that protects sensitive sources and methods. you also know that we do so we declassify information only when we're confident in that information. if you doubt, if you doubt the credibility of the u. s. government, of the british government, of other governments and want to you know, find solace and information that the russians are putting out. that is i, that is for you to do. i'm asking with, with the russian government putting out and it would help me with your visuals are describing a very specific scenes, but do they actually have a video the, the fact that we are able to go into such great detail. obviously, i'm not going to spell out what is in our possession, but i will leave. i will leave it to you. i will leave that to your, to your does it all know fans it useful though. the kremlin has denied claims that it is planning a fake film, but it's important to remember that it's 100000 troops. they remain really on the border with you. great. we're deborah chance. her olaf shall see now, plans to visit, keep, and moscow. on february 14th and 15th, adding to diplomatic efforts to ease tensions over you, great shelters described brushes, troop build up, is very serious, and has promised consequences. following any invasion, the visit will be the 1st face to face meeting between russian president vladimir putin and chancellor schultz. since he took over from august miracle last december . no love shields has been criticized for germany's lack of visible support. you, craig, so does this visit to keep in moscow signal a change? here's our political correspondence. i mean young, but i think the real change is a one of pace and optics after even the media here of been asking. where is sholtes in recent days in regard to the ukraine crisis. so this visit to washington, which is in fact just the usual 1st visit by german chancellor to see the us president in the white house. i think there he'll, he'll have some work to do to persuade us politicians who are concerned that germany has been slow, for instance, to put the issue of no strain to the gas pipeline from russia to germany on the table as schultz is now done to say that that would be effected if they were rushing to get aggression against ukraine. also, i think some in washington have looked to the german reluctance to support ukraine militarily. even though of course, people understand their historical reasons for that. but the whole stance has given the impression there, i think that germany may be an unreliable partner. so that's what shows wants to make clear is not the case. it should be said the by the administration was willing to give shelter, i think. and the new german government a bit more space. they haven't proceeded with measures sanctions against german firms. i've been no strain for instance, but you know, this is, this is now coming to a have sholtes will be going to a key of in 10 days time. and moscow after that, so a germany is really came to play some sort of mediating role on the ukraine crisis . have been doing that for several years. and we're going to see the concern of that more clearly. i think in the coming days the austria has become the 1st european country to mandate corona virus vaccinations for all adults . it is also the 1st country that will now have to in source a vaccination mandate. starting next month's austrian police will carry out random spot checks to see whether people can produce proof of vaccination. those who cannot face fines of 600 euros or more. this patient is here for a 3rd shot against comment, but taking a job is no longer a question of choice. starting today, it's compulsory in austria. sat like an audit amendatory vaccination because normally everyone should be wise enough to get the job to magically flows. but only a few came from their 1st shop. the city set up mobil vaccination buses to increase that number. the willingness to get a job is stagnant. despite the new bill. even gig, an influx, i'm against mandatory vaccinations because i believe this is a violation of human rights yet. yet every one has the right to free down. i even before the controversial bill was passed, security was died at vaccination centers. no other topic polarizes austrians as much as mandatory vaccinations. those who administered reduces inside can only do sue be security nearby. there's concern about was style outbursts by anti vac source. tens of thousands of them have been taking to the streets almost every weekend across the country. to protest against common measures. they are a minority. but vanna ising a who is researching radicalism, says, the protest should not be underestimated. sort escaped and broken and hot and keanda, or can you, it's going there is of a core party argument which cannot be allocated to the organized why tween crowned flor to hooligan earlier. and these are people from within the middle class, which has radicalized since the past. 2 years, not only since the mandatory vaccinations and this is very precarious, he sounded austrian government failed to reached his crowd, especially when its declaration last summer. led to call it crisis was over was followed by a political crisis of its own. when he exact septic a citizen, call the seal, if you make mistakes with regard to the management of the pandemic, mistakes of communication, and have a government crisis triggered by corruption, then you face to crises, politically, to cope tunes. and that leads to frustration to ag and mrs. ross thesis was among many and even the swift currie shown bas. yeah, feel all that's when of hostile to on and off to and m. miss torn austria expects an avalanche of flow suits by those unwilling to pay possible fines, starting at $600.00 euros and to be enforced from mid march. the ice focusing on those whose opinion could still be swayed the undecided the city put a billboards in various foreign languages in their latest effort to counter misinformation. am unexcused to 9 is author kaplan, he's a professor bioethics at new york university's grossman school of medicine. he's the author of many books, including vaccine ethics and policy, which cabinets good to see you again. i'm glad you had the time to talk with us to night. let me start by asking you about what we're seeing here in europe. we've got a lot of countries in northern europe who are getting rid of all of their covered restrictions, and then we brought austria that has introduced a vaccine mandate. what do you make of this? well, i think europe, us, north america are very, very tired coated. they're tired of trying to battle it. they're tired of promises that things are going to be over soon when they're not. by the way, not just due to government problems, but because the virus is changed. i still favor mandate. i still believe that the right thing to do is to protect your neighbor, to not clog the hospitals with the sick and the dying from people who are not vaccinated. and i still think vaccination is a key tool. however, it's going to be very tough to collect those fines in a weird way ethically, if the austrian public doesn't support looking out for one another and puts individual self interest ahead of their neighbors. i don't know that the policy is going to work. let me take us a little bit from public health to public happiness. here in the united states, we've got a new go gallop poll out that shows americans continue to struggle to find the positives in life and society. back in 2020, i think 84 percent said that they were satisfied with life overall for the 2nd year in a row. now that number is around 67 percent. is the pandemic to blame. only it is you remember the pin demik ruined donald trump. it basically cost him the election, all the other issues, so the lock down, the damage to the economy, the fights are going back to school. those are real quality of life. impairment biden has not solved the pin demick either been mixed messages, bad messaging. and that leads people to be upset, the economy is suffering in the us from inflation. that leads people to be upset. i think another major issue is we are still struggling in american society with battles over race. they deeply divide the country. it's hard to say it, but whether it's attitudes about the police or attitudes, appropriate punishment, or who's going to get into university, we have opened up some wounds in the society. and they too are taking a toll on the popularity of this president, in satisfaction with the quality of life social media. it has fragmented society. it's become a direct delivery channel from his information. and we know that this polarizes society, even more, do you think americans are aware of this? and are they aware that this may be one reason why they feel so bad? about everything around? well, you know, there's no what a joy in social media, it's full of griping, complaining finger, pointing, yelling at your neighbor outburst. you spend a lot of time there and many americans do, particularly those have been shut in for various reasons. it doesn't boost your morale very much. they would figure out what to do with social media. we don't know who's supposed to edit it. we don't know who's to who is supposed to control it. we don't know how to get the hate and the craziness out of it. you know, i think the dream was it would be a wonderful outlet to exchange information quickly. it's turned into assess pool. that in many ways is driving down the quality of life. not only for americans, but people around the world. you know, you say there is a lot of heat out there. and yet, the only category in this poll, where american say that they see an improvement is in the acceptance of gays and lesbians. why do you think that is? well interesting enough that phenomena shifted before cove. it, it was a movement that if you will, was grass roots, particularly younger people saying we just don't care. older religious leaders may have issues. there may have been entrenched policies about gays and the behavior, but the younger generation, i think just said it's not relevant to us. we're not paying attention to old dislikes, the old biases to old prejudices. i'm hoping actually that they can also lead us forward in matters of race. i think, you know, it's tough to convert the older generation of the device and attitudes that the young may be able to take us where we want to go in terms of similar acceptance of differences. professor answer captain is always just capital. we appreciate your time and your valuable insights. it's always good to end on something to feel good about. thank you. thank you. ah. but we are entering the 3rd year of the corona virus pandemic, and despite re rising infection rates due to the o micron variant, governments around the world are lifting restrictions with the notable exception of china. of course, where a 0 coven policy means draconian lockdown. the pandemic is not over. scientists are united about that. here in europe though, the world health organization says there are a number of reasons to expect what they are calling a ceasefire and a long period of tranquillity. nicholas, i wish to re iterate, deform call. i made last week, which is indeed referring to a plausible endgame for the pandemic. not to say that it is now all over. but to highlight that into europe in the region, there is a singular opportunity to take control of the transmission because of the congruence of city elements. first, a large capital of vaccine derived and natural immunity. by o mccomb. second, a favourable season entity boss. as we move out of the winter and search a lower severity of the on the covariance. now the established oh my next guest to night is john berry. he's a historian and distinguished scholar at tulane university school of public health and tropical medicine. he's also a writer, the author of the great influenza, the story of the deadliest pandemic in history, which examines the global spanish flu outbreak starting back in 1918. he joins us tonight from new orleans. mr. barry, it's good to have you all of the program. finally, somebody who can give some history to what we've been going through for the past 2 years. all these governments here in europe, particularly northern europe, are saying no more restrictions. it's back to normal. what, what do you think about that? when you consider the lessons learned or what we should have learned from the spanish movies of 1918 while i think it might be a little early for that frankly. i the boss continues to be the virus. we don't know what the next arian is going to be. i think there are a lot of reasons for optimism. ah, but not only in the 1918 pandemic, i mean there was an unexpected check back shortly. valid. in 1920 they had gone through several waves. the virus had gotten a somewhat less very un i. and then in 1920, it turned back up in the same thing happened and 19571968 even in 2009, several years after the those viruses entered the human population. ah, you got a little bit of a nasty turn. it, it, that doesn't mean it will happen again, but it certainly could happen again and re imposing restrictions after they are listed. that's when you really would get resistance. i think the message jane passed to be if you are left ain restrictions that we asked to be monitoring the virus and that they could go back on. i know there has been some of that in, in denmark for example, but i don't think the message instant wrong enough. you know, if you look at the 1918 spanish flu and if you look at the images from that time, the newspapers, for example, and show that the world was still dealing with that pandemic well into the 1920s. and there wasn't, you know, even without a vaccine in this was a long, long period of time. if you went on on the streets here in europe or in the us, you probably would not find many people who know that. do you think that's part of the problem that we don't realize what a pandemic can mean because we don't know anything about the history appendix. i mean, that's probably a factor. i mean, of course, we're all consumed with what's going on around us today. ah, people are retired. i that's what happened in 1920 as well as even in the middle of the war, i 1918, which was the really lethal wave of most cities took very stringent action. certainly they did in the united states. i and closing things down a 1920 in i don't have good date on the european cities in 1920 but know in the united states several very large cities had the had the deadliest wave . ah, and yet they did absolutely nothing because people were tired of just as we are. and it was clearly pretty mature and 1920 people clearly died. oh, who might otherwise have lived and we don't want that to happen this time. no. what we do have now that people did not have in 9018 is a vaccine. and the doctors have told us, time and time again, that the, the best way to stop this pandemic is for everyone on the planet to be vaccinated. don't give the virus a host in which it can, you take, for example, and yet we still see people here in europe in the united states. he refused to get vaccinated. is, is this something when you compare it to 9080? do you see any similarities there? of people not willing to accept the facts about what was going on around them. not really. i mean 918 was much deadlier than what we're facing now. there are 50 to 100000000 people killed then and if you adjust for population that would be the equivalent of 2 iron 252450 1000000 people today. so as perfect as cove it is. it's not like 918. also 1918, the most vulnerable people were kids under 10. and the 2nd peak was was 28 years old. so i think the fact that toby is primarily hitting the elderly is a significant factor and the resist. and some people have to doing anything. if you are 28 years old and you see your neighbor in your, your, your body that you go drinking with drop dead. i think to take a lot more seriously. this is very, we appreciate you taking the time to come on the show tonight and talk with you about this your article this week in the do your times is fascinating and i hope we can learn the lessons of history before it's too late. john barry historian and author, thank you. thank you. well, the day is almost dawned the conversation that continues online you'll find isn't whether either dw news you can follow me on twitter at brent golf t. v. every member, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you here on monday, have a great weekend every ah, [000:00:00;00] with with performing 648 always power from 0 to 100 kilometers and for 2nd, the fleet electric sedan comes from china the neo e t 7, a 1000 kilometer range, and a unique battery changing system will 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this kind of fabrication is delusional. and that's more and more of it, every date of birth, medic, health maintenance believe in ukraine. and that mean what moscow's bullying strategy is not working with that here? what? where is it worth it? to clarify the question, i just delivered it also coming up, europe's 1st vaccine mandate, austria makes coven 90 japs, compulsory. for most adults. now the hard part in forcing no other topic polarizes austrians as much as mandatory vaccinations. those who administered it is inside can only do sue the security nearby. there's concern about was tied all birth by and have access to our viewers watching a p b. as in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin the day with a rendezvous of like mines at the winter olympics in beijing. today, russian president vladimir putin and chinese president, she's in pain, came together just hours before the opening ceremony to show the world that they are playing on the same t. a show of solidarity that produced a letter promising a joint and coordinated fight against attempts by other countries to undermine chinese and russian natural national interests. and china even went so far to say that it too is opposed to nato expansion. a russo sino push back against what much of the world agrees is true. russia is threatening ukraine with no cause and giving eastern european native members. a real reason to worry are covered starts tonight with the u. s. troops who are now headed across the atlantic. a final checks for the u. s. soldiers ahead of their rapid deployment to eastern europe. 2000 of them will bolster position johnny chose eastern flank in the face of russia's growing military presence there. though the white house has said it, trips will not enter ukraine. some say they are ready for anything. me and the rest of our formation here, we're just ready to go for whatever the nation needs is to do. and whatever that means we do. that's all we will do. it comes as the u. s. one of our russian false flag operation without offering any proof. good afternoon, one possible option the russians are considering and which we made public today involves the production of a propaganda video. a video with graphic scenes of false explosions, depicting court corpses, crisis actors planning to be mourners and images of destroyed locations or military equipment entirely fabricate, fabricated by russian intelligence. elsewhere in washington, lawmakers called for sanctions against moscow to be applied. no. we can introduce a sanctions package that imposes sanctions now for the provocation, where the opposed invasion sanctions that will destroy the russian economy. as we know it. that threat will have been hard to hear under the sound of ongoing, beller, russian, and russian lie fire, military drills, moscow's defense minister on site to watch the training exercises 1st hand rushes military presence and bella ruth is great or no. and at any point, since the end of the cold war, leading many to fear, this may be a pre cursor to an armed invasion. well, the pentagon is warning that russia plans to use a fake video as a pretext for invading ukraine to dave state. department spokesman, net price made that claim at a press conference in washington without presenting any concrete intelligence to support it. this is why we cannot report tonight that anyone has actually seen this alleged video. it is not because we are not trying to get an answer. today, a p journalists, matt lee did just that at the us state department. and this is what happened. what is the evidence that you have that suggest that, that, that the russians or even planning that mat. i mean, i'm not saying that they're not, but you just come out and say this and expect us to, to, to believe it. without you showing a shred of evidence that it's actually true. other them, when i asked or what anyone else asked what the information you said, well i just gave it to you, which was just you making a statement that you said yourself. you've been in this business for quite a long time. you know that when we make information, intelligence information public, we do so in a way that protects sensitive sources and methods. you also know that we do so we declassify information only when we're confident in that information. if you doubt, if you doubt the credibility of the u. s. government, of the british government, of other governments and want to you know, find solace and information that the russians are putting out. that is i, that is for you to do. i'm asking with, with the russian government putting out and it would help me with your visuals are describing a very specific scenes, but do they actually have a video the, the fact that we are able to go into such great detail. obviously, i'm not going to spell out what is in our possession, but i will leave. i will leave it to you. i will leave that to your, to your does it all know fans it useful though. the kremlin has denied claims that it is planning a fake film, but it's important to remember that it's 100000 troops. they remain really on the border with you. great. we're deborah chance. her olaf shall see now, plans to visit, keep, and moscow. on february 14th and 15th, adding to diplomatic efforts to ease tensions over you, great shelters described brushes, troop build up, is very serious, and has promised consequences. following any invasion, the visit will be the 1st face to face meeting between russian president vladimir putin and chancellor schultz. since he took over from august miracle last december . no love shields has been criticized for germany's lack of visible support. you, craig, so does this visit to keep in moscow signal a change? here's our political correspondence. i mean young, but i think the real change is a one of pace and optics after even the media here of been asking. where is sholtes in recent days in regard to the ukraine crisis. so this visit to washington, which is in fact just the usual 1st visit by german chancellor to see the us president in the white house. i think there he'll, he'll have some work to do to persuade us politicians who are concerned that germany has been slow, for instance, to put the issue of no strain to the gas pipeline from russia to germany on the table as schultz is now done to say that that would be effected if they were rushing to get aggression against ukraine. also, i think some in washington have looked to the german reluctance to support ukraine militarily. even though of course, people understand their historical reasons for that. but the whole stance has given the impression there, i think that germany may be an unreliable partner. so that's what shows wants to make clear is not the case. it should be said the by the administration was willing to give shelter, i think. and the new german government a bit more space. they haven't proceeded with measures sanctions against german firms. i've been no strain for instance, but you know, this is, this is now coming to a have sholtes will be going to a key of in 10 days time. and moscow after that, so a germany is really came to play some sort of mediating role on the ukraine crisis . have been doing that for several years. and we're going to see the concern of that more clearly. i think in the coming days the austria has become the 1st european country to mandate corona virus vaccinations for all adults . it is also the 1st country that will now have to in source a vaccination mandate. starting next month's austrian police will carry out random spot checks to see whether people can produce proof of vaccination. those who cannot face fines of 600 euros or more. this patient is here for a 3rd shot against comment, but taking a job is no longer a question of choice. starting today, it's compulsory in austria. sat like an audit amendatory vaccination because normally everyone should be wise enough to get the job to magically flows. but only a few came from their 1st shop. the city set up mobil vaccination buses to increase that number. the willingness to get a job is stagnant. despite the new bill. even gig, an influx, i'm against mandatory vaccinations because i believe this is a violation of human rights yet. yet every one has the right to free down. i even before the controversial bill was passed, security was died at vaccination centers. no other topic polarizes austrians as much as mandatory vaccinations. those who administered reduces inside can only do sue be security nearby. there's concern about was style outbursts by anti vac source. tens of thousands of them have been taking to the streets almost every weekend across the country. to protest against common measures. they are a minority. but vanna ising a who is researching radicalism, says, the protest should not be underestimated. sort escaped and broken and hot and keanda, or can you, it's going there is of a core party argument which cannot be allocated to the organized why tween crowned flor to hooligan earlier. and these are people from within the middle class, which has radicalized since the past. 2 years, not only since the mandatory vaccinations and this is very precarious, he sounded austrian government failed to reached his crowd, especially when its declaration last summer. led to call it crisis was over was followed by a political crisis of its own. when he exact septic a citizen, call the seal, if you make mistakes with regard to the management of the pandemic, mistakes of communication, and have a government crisis triggered by corruption, then you face to crises, politically, to cope tunes. and that leads to frustration to ag and mrs. ross thesis was among many and even the swift currie shown bas. yeah, feel all that's when of hostile to on and off to and m. miss torn austria expects an avalanche of flow suits by those unwilling to pay possible fines, starting at $600.00 euros and to be enforced from mid march. the ice focusing on those whose opinion could still be swayed the undecided the city put a billboards in various foreign languages in their latest effort to counter misinformation. am unexcused to 9 is author kaplan, he's a professor bioethics at new york university's grossman school of medicine. he's the author of many books, including vaccine ethics and policy, which cabinets good to see you again. i'm glad you had the time to talk with us to night. let me start by asking you about what we're seeing here in europe. we've got a lot of countries in northern europe who are getting rid of all of their covered restrictions, and then we brought austria that has introduced a vaccine mandate. what do you make of this? well, i think europe, us, north america are very, very tired coated. they're tired of trying to battle it. they're tired of promises that things are going to be over soon when they're not. by the way, not just due to government problems, but because the virus is changed. i still favor mandate. i still believe that the right thing to do is to protect your neighbor, to not clog the hospitals with the sick and the dying from people who are not vaccinated. and i still think vaccination is a key tool. however, it's going to be very tough to collect those fines in a weird way ethically, if the austrian public doesn't support looking out for one another and puts individual self interest ahead of their neighbors. i don't know that the policy is going to work. let me take us a little bit from public health to public happiness. here in the united states, we've got a new go gallop poll out that shows americans continue to struggle to find the positives in life and society. back in 2020, i think 84 percent said that they were satisfied with life overall for the 2nd year in a row. now that number is around 67 percent. is the pandemic to blame. only it is you remember the pin demik ruined donald trump. it basically cost him the election, all the other issues, so the lock down, the damage to the economy, the fights are going back to school. those are real quality of life. impairment biden has not solved the pin demick either been mixed messages, bad messaging. and that leads people to be upset, the economy is suffering in the us from inflation. that leads people to be upset. i think another major issue is we are still struggling in american society with battles over race. they deeply divide the country. it's hard to say it, but whether it's attitudes about the police or attitudes, appropriate punishment, or who's going to get into university, we have opened up some wounds in the society. and they too are taking a toll on the popularity of this president, in satisfaction with the quality of life social media. it has fragmented society. it's become a direct delivery channel from his information. and we know that this polarizes society, even more, do you think americans are aware of this? and are they aware that this may be one reason why they feel so bad? about everything around? well, you know, there's no what a joy in social media, it's full of griping, complaining finger, pointing, yelling at your neighbor outburst. you spend a lot of time there and many americans do, particularly those have been shut in for various reasons. it doesn't boost your morale very much. they would figure out what to do with social media. we don't know who's supposed to edit it. we don't know who's to who is supposed to control it. we don't know how to get the hate and the craziness out of it. you know, i think the dream was it would be a wonderful outlet to exchange information quickly. it's turned into assess pool. that in many ways is driving down the quality of life. not only for americans, but people around the world. you know, you say there is a lot of heat out there. and yet, the only category in this poll, where american say that they see an improvement is in the acceptance of gays and lesbians. why do you think that is? well interesting enough that phenomena shifted before cove. it, it was a movement that if you will, was grass roots, particularly younger people saying we just don't care. older religious leaders may have issues. there may have been entrenched policies about gays and the behavior, but the younger generation, i think just said it's not relevant to us. we're not paying attention to old dislikes, the old biases to old prejudices. i'm hoping actually that they can also lead us forward in matters of race. i think, you know, it's tough to convert the older generation of the device and attitudes that the young may be able to take us where we want to go in terms of similar acceptance of differences. professor answer captain is always just capital. we appreciate your time and your valuable insights. it's always good to end on something to feel good about. thank you. thank you. ah. but we are entering the 3rd year of the corona virus pandemic, and despite re rising infection rates due to the o micron variant, governments around the world are lifting restrictions with the notable exception of china. of course, where a 0 coven policy means draconian lockdown. the pandemic is not over. scientists are united about that. here in europe though, the world health organization says there are a number of reasons to expect what they are calling a ceasefire and a long period of tranquillity. nicholas, i wish to re iterate, deform call. i made last week, which is indeed referring to a plausible endgame for the pandemic. not to say that it is now all over. but to highlight that into europe in the region, there is a singular opportunity to take control of the transmission because of the congruence of city elements. first, a large capital of vaccine derived and natural immunity. by o mccomb. second, a favourable season entity boss. as we move out of the winter and search a lower severity of the on the covariance. now the established oh my next guest to night is john berry. he's a historian and distinguished scholar at tulane university school of public health and tropical medicine. he's also a writer, the author of the great influenza, the story of the deadliest pandemic in history, which examines the global spanish flu outbreak starting back in 1918. he joins us tonight from new orleans. mr. barry, it's good to have you all of the program. finally, somebody who can give some history to what we've been going through for the past 2 years. all these governments here in europe, particularly northern europe, are saying no more restrictions. it's back to normal. what, what do you think about that? when you consider the lessons learned or what we should have learned from the spanish movies of 1918 while i think it might be a little early for that frankly. i the boss continues to be the virus. we don't know what the next arian is going to be. i think there are a lot of reasons for optimism. ah, but not only in the 1918 pandemic, i mean there was an unexpected check back shortly. valid. in 1920 they had gone through several waves. the virus had gotten a somewhat less very un i. and then in 1920, it turned back up in the same thing happened and 19571968 even in 2009, several years after the those viruses entered the human population. ah, you got a little bit of a nasty turn. it, it, that doesn't mean it will happen again, but it certainly could happen again and re imposing restrictions after they are listed. that's when you really would get resistance. i think the message jane passed to be if you are left ain restrictions that we asked to be monitoring the virus and that they could go back on. i know there has been some of that in, in denmark for example, but i don't think the message instant wrong enough. you know, if you look at the 1918 spanish flu and if you look at the images from that time, the newspapers, for example, and show that the world was still dealing with that pandemic well into the 1920s. and there wasn't, you know, even without a vaccine in this was a long, long period of time. if you went on on the streets here in europe or in the us, you probably would not find many people who know that. do you think that's part of the problem that we don't realize what a pandemic can mean because we don't know anything about the history appendix. i mean, that's probably a factor. i mean, of course, we're all consumed with what's going on around us today. ah, people are retired. i that's what happened in 1920 as well as even in the middle of the war, i 1918, which was the really lethal wave of most cities took very stringent action. certainly they did in the united states. i and closing things down a 1920 in i don't have good date on the european cities in 1920 but know in the united states several very large cities had the had the deadliest wave . ah, and yet they did absolutely nothing because people were tired of just as we are. and it was clearly pretty mature and 1920 people clearly died. oh, who might otherwise have lived and we don't want that to happen this time. no. what we do have now that people did not have in 9018 is a vaccine. and the doctors have told us, time and time again, that the, the best way to stop this pandemic is for everyone on the planet to be vaccinated. don't give the virus a host in which it can, you take, for example, and yet we still see people here in europe in the united states. he refused to get vaccinated. is, is this something when you compare it to 9080? do you see any similarities there? of people not willing to accept the facts about what was going on around them. not really. i mean 918 was much deadlier than what we're facing now. there are 50 to 100000000 people killed then and if you adjust for population that would be the equivalent of 2 iron 252450 1000000 people today. so as perfect as cove it is. it's not like 918. also 1918, the most vulnerable people were kids under 10. and the 2nd peak was was 28 years old. so i think the fact that toby is primarily hitting the elderly is a significant factor and the resist. and some people have to doing anything. if you are 28 years old and you see your neighbor in your, your, your body that you go drinking with drop dead. i think to take a lot more seriously. this is very, we appreciate you taking the time to come on the show tonight and talk with you about this your article this week in the do your times is fascinating and i hope we can learn the lessons of history before it's too late. john barry historian and author, thank you. thank you. well, the day is almost dawned the conversation that continues online you'll find isn't whether either dw news you can follow me on twitter at brent golf t. v. every member, whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you here on monday, have a great weekend every ah, [000:00:00;00] with with performing 648 always power from 0 to 100 kilometers and for 2nd, the fleet electric sedan comes from china the neo e t 7, a 1000 kilometer range, and a unique battery changing system will 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