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A message from the nato allies will be at that we are steadfast and of support to ukraine. We will continue to boost ukraines defensive capabilities for todays urgent needs. And for the long haul, we are prepared for a long haul and that we will support them for as long as it takes also coming up only one month on the job and you k Prime Minister lives trust. It has Financial Markets spooked. The british pound plummeting, and there are even calls for her to resign. What we have done is we have, i think mister speak avoiding the question. Doug king responsibility last in denial. No wonder investors have no confidence in how government and to our viewers watching on p b. S. In the United States into all of you around the world. Welcome. We begin the day with the to threads to the world. As we know it, that, according to the biden administration, today, you as President Biden released, his National Security strategy, a prediction of geo politics for the near and long term through washingtons eyes. China stands out as the biggest challenge to the international order. The white house says that beijing is intent on spreading its model of authoritarian rule and that it is quickly achieving the economic and military power needed to turn plans into action. But in the immediate future, the u. S. Cs, russia as the biggest threat, one that needs to be contained through a unified front. That is the message delivered today in brussels, where nato members are meeting along with 50 other countries committed to helping ukraine. Here is the us defense secretary lloyd austin. And in the past few days, brewton has given us all another grim preview of a future in which the appetites of aggressive autocrats outweigh the rights of peaceful states. But were going to do everything we can, as far as we can to help the Ukrainian Forces get the capability they need to protect the ukranian people. Thats very, very important to us. We would all be less secure. In a world war big powers can assault their peaceful neighbors, and trampled their borders by force. Well that nato meeting taking place is rushing airstrikes in ukraine continue more civilian targets were destroyed today. The 3rd consecutive day of massive aerial assaults on the country. A strike on a crowded market killed at least 7 people in the town of, of deacon in the eastern dont ask region. The governor, they are saying none of the targets had any military purpose. The kremlin says that these latest air strikes are retaliation for an explosion last week in on the only bridge connecting russia with occupied crimea. Today, moscow said that it has detained 8 suspects, connected to what it is calling a ukrainian backed terrorist attack. The Security Service says these people include 5 russians, 3 you, cranium, and 3 armenian citizens. Keith has not claim responsibility for the blast and has called moscows investigation. Nonsense. Well, there are a lot of moving parts to this conflict tonight. Thats why were happy to welcome j mclinn to the show. She is a Senior Researcher at the monterrey initiative in russian studies. She joins me tonight from oxford in the u. K. J. Its good to have you. On the program of the us in nato are pushing this message that Vladimir Putin is running out of options and that hes running out of time is he thank you for having me. Its very an time. No, i dont think he is right here. Time and i dont think thats really some think that will depend on nature the u. S. I think he is slightly, i think was probably most the plans that hes running out of options. And i think thats a much more difficult one because he hasnt really left him some self much space to turn around to back out, especially since he kind of partial mobilization. So i think he has time and if he has options, when you talk about options, i mean, what would those options be right now . Right now theres the obvious option, flow not obvious. And the other horrific option, the everybody is discussing, which is the nuclear auction, which i think is very, very unlikely. But of course, must must mean on everybodys laid off with self explanatory reasons on the other options. And would of course be that he somehow backs down or turns around or starts pissing out feelers to negotiations. However, i think his break reality is such that its very difficult. Its very difficult for him to come up with any think that that would be acceptable and theres no way that hes prepared the russian people, if anything, the propaganda. And this was loud figures in russia are preparing a trying to slip up several hysteria among the russian population. Say its, its very difficult. I think theres a tendency, sometimes in the west, i think the since the 16th. And he says, oh, this is how i want to have a beam, and thats not the case a to let me know about the situation for the Ukrainian Military air Defense Systems from the u. S. And now from germany are now in ukraine. Last night there was a ukrainian lawmaker here on this program and she told me that these deliveries are too little too late. She still wants no fly zones over you crate, which we know that the u. S. President has said its not going to happen. Is she right though, that the air defense weapons are not enough . I think sandy monday showed that the attacks on here and on other cities. I think they showed that clearly crating the defense. My understanding is that there are certain technologies that could be used for i know that people talk about the fact that israels, im doing technology wouldnt be appropriate. But i think there are other forms of air defense technology. The, the, i knew israel has that would be, that would be useful. But of course thats, thats really a bilateral issue, rather than, rather than a m. S, nato allies and, and ukraine discussion. But i know there is plenty that could still be sent and, and personally, i hate it is because last i completely understand that a new fly saying is bluntly enforceable because it would involve native plains, she down question claims. And that is just to escalate t i do think that there are other ways that we could help help ukraine to protect you guys and we should you should do everything. Sure. Thats something that could very recently spoken. And there is, of course, a lot of hope that this war will have an end sooner rather than later. And we just heard yesterday that report may be open to a one on one meeting with President Biden at the g 20 summit next month. The bill. This news coming from the Russian Foreign minister and not from the us from the west. Is this, do you think an attempt to create that offering up for Vladimir Putin . And if it is, i mean it would be coming from the russians. What that and instead of coming from the evil west as they have well, weve seen some interesting, were seeing some interesting sort of outreach half of the relief from the crime then recently including the, the long mosque tweets which were very much commented on and, and now this sort of signaling of an openness to, to meeting. I would note that bitin has shut down now by choice of words that bite in history has refused to opportunity. I think unless it were to discuss us prisoners, some here currently held in, in russia in terms of an offer. And i think clearly the war is not going well for russia, but the thought, the thing said the treating is insisting on, you know, the recognition that these foreign territories plus crimea belong to say a separation doesnt necessarily hunt regions. Plus crimea all belonged to russia. And that ukraine will take on some sort of neutral status. They really just started and i think we have to really be careful here as well as, as to western countries to remember that ukrainians have agency in this to you and ready ukrainians. Right now i know im not going to go sheeting. I think every single sheet that you mentioned, the test will see you on mosque. He is denying your report that he spoke directly with weatherbug recently about the war in ukraine and about a proposed peace plan. These deny that because the political scientist in bremmer who has often been a gift here on this program, ian has said that musk told him that he had spoken recently with and this has created a twitter storm when a show you this thread from ian bremar earlier today from the ranger group, he tweeted this a lot. Musk told me that he had spoken with boot and and the kremlin directly about ukraine. He also told me that the crib linz red lines are what they are these red lines for the criminal. He then tweeted again, i have been writing my weekly newsletter on geo politics for 24 years. I write honestly without fear or favor in this weeks update was no different followed by ive long admired mosque as a unique and world changing entrepreneur, which ive said publicly, hes not a geo politics expert. And then you had ellen musk himself weighing in, tweeting simply, nobody should trust bremar. Now we brought this up because in a tweet just last week, musk laid out a ukraine. Rush a piece plan that has the exact same terms as the one that bremar says. Musk told him that he got from Vladimir Putin. I mean, this is the worlds richest man. He admits that he has spoken with Vladimir Putin. He speaks with the you as President Biden, is there a musk factor in this conflict and should the ukrainians be worried about i think the gradient shed take ne, today given me in person style inc, im rich, which comes from it shows hes is something that mask controls and names and the styling to keeping the training on the sort of connected and networked with in, in, in the fight against russia. So i think hes holly, i mean, the star link is of course, his Internet Access Via Satellites also which must go. Right . Yes, exactly, exactly. So its been very important. I just think it really cannot be overstated. Interestingly, actually, just before i came on, i noticed that, you know, musket tweeted to say how he was very happy to provide the support. I think her as a premium. I didnt quite need to see the ukrainian official was thanking musk for the importance of styling to their success. And musk said that hes very happy to play his partner successfully. I dont know if, if this twist historian has chastened him, he doesnt seem like the sort of individual that hes really, jason. So, but in any case, i mean to come back to the debate. Of course its a little bit. He says, he says, yes, its very difficult. On another level. I mean, mr. Graham is new, this isnt some sort of random stuff that hes running. You know, he speaks to very serious people and i do find it quite hard to imagine. He would just make up the conversation. Yeah, we do have full disclosure. We asked the berber to come on the program tonight. He agreed, he said, i cant do it tonight, but he says, i will come on the program and talk with you about this, which we believe because as i said, hes been on many times before. Let me ask you before we were another time, there was a Un General Assembly booked this evening about russias recent annexations of territories, eastern ukraine, overwhelming condemnation of russia in bet vote. Is russia going to cure . Is it going to change anything on the ground . No i, i dont think it will, and i think its another fact to the point to you on the difficulties really that we have the you and when you have a member of the Un Security Council like crushes committing atrocities that it is committing its, its very difficult to see the current set of the u. N, as it has anything but a highly dysfunctional. Jade mclean from the monterey initiatives in russian studies. We appreciate your time and your insights tonight awhile the ground to cover and we did that. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, we all say Interest Rate rising globally. Well, dont rising globally in the same city tends to pulling more in ukraine. And what were making sure is that we protect our economy and anatomy. We will see high greg and lower inflation lost in denial. No wonder investors have no confidence in how government who voted for those who voted for this is no point. When will she still dr. Responsibility . Do the right thing reverse her kamikaze budget, which is causing so much. Hi, ms to speak. I think the last thing we need is a general election. Ah, that was a bridge from his trust. Theyre coming under fire in the house of commons. The 1st time that shes faithful makers, its, its her text cutting many budget cost turmoil on the market and sent the british pound one to talk about this android here at the table now by a very young been pursuing from the w business. So what 1st of all, whats going on in the u. K, and why does it matter beyond the u. K . You may remember that you came by you and i think were seeing some knock on effects from that on many various, many different levels. First of all, britains drop behind it the, or is the world 6th largest economy. It is still a huge economy and still mean so much the world and especially the financial world. Its number one. As far as finance goes according to a study by its own financial district. But that does say its being hammered by new york and singapore as far as the mac facing talent goes. And the study also admitted that the policy makers, their lives trusts, and quoting a really going to have to convince businesses around the world that it is still in that top position. Otherwise, its not going to get that talent. Its going to start falling behind in many different sectors, not just the financial sector. The damage is being done though, by least trusting quality for tang. As far as this budget goes, as far as these new policies go, that theyre introducing not only has the u. K left the u. Its also the freedom of movement no longer exists as, as, which is made to develop a label. How exactly . And also as far as its you, tighter immigration laws go, that sends out the wrong message to businesses around the world. Many analysts to saying this is looking more like an emerging economy. This turmoil is not limited to just the u. K. The i m f. This week. Sound of the alarm for europe as well. I want you to listen to what the head of the i am, the chief economist said about that as well as what bernice economy minister st douglas 2023 slow down will be broad based with countries accounting for a 3rd of the global economy. Expected. The contract this year, or next, the 3 largest economies, the United States, china, and the euro area will continue to stall. In short, the worst is yet to come. And for many people, 2023 will feel like a recession seemed to answer title. These are serious times and the figures of the autumn projection prove exactly that us. We refer we are currently experiencing a Serious Energy crisis resume. I triggered by putins war of aggression on ukraine from stone, and then the discontinuation of gas supplies from russia, lunch. No. Hi my once again, i guess because, and this is sometimes forgotten, even in the bonus tag, right . Because pu, tim will no longer deliver this Serious Energy crisis threatens to become an economic and social crisis all through the crisis. Crisis crisis, the chief economist, i m f saying the worst is yet to come. Are for europe. Whats it going to look like . For euro, germanys the, the biggest economy here, its already seeing inflation of around 10 percent. The global average could raise rise to 9 and a half percent later this year. Not fall back to around 4 percent until 2024. So it sounds like this is going to go on for a long time. Its not going to be just a flash of the pan. How much worse its going to get will depend upon the war and ukraine. It could be an escalation at any time, and that could send a spatter into the works. Yet again, its going to be more painful responses from central bank. So Interest Rates are going to keep going up. The question is, how far they going to go up and how high they can go . I asked an officially the im if one about mortgage holders. You know, what about all these people have just taken out lloyds. He said that the banks a well funded right now, well capitalized and that governments are going to have to step in to help the poor. Weve seen this time and again during the pandemic that the banks are the ones that have been bailed out. Its the people who are being built out, which is actually a good developer. Yeah, its true. Its true. You have to wonder how far the governments going to go, because they just finished building out a lot of people with the pandemic in them. And what about the United States medium and i were talking yesterday about what j. P. Morgan see . Jamie diamond said to me, he is worried about what he sees coming for the Worlds Largest economy. Well, he says the Worlds Largest economy is holding up now, but its facing very strong head winds. So again, youve got the same problems rising rates, the fed tightening, surging inflation, and the war in ukraine. Its affecting economies around the world. And weve known that for some time, according to the fed minutes Interest Rates are going to be to a certain point to a more hurtful, more restrictive point, but will be maintained at that level for some time. So again, were going to have to be in this for the long whole the tricky part there, the im f says is not going to aggressive. So theres a strong labor market at the moment. We heard that last friday. And if the fact goes too far and raise is too high and to quickly and to aggressively then that could destroy everything. But at the moment it looks like it can do that, it can start raising, continue to raise, right . So its a balancing act like it is. I said its, its a difficult decision right at this moment. But it risks for session and according to the im, if were all heading for recession anyway. Yeah, 2023 looks like is going to be the year of recession and that may also depend on how want to work last in ukraine. And hopefully theres an economic pressure. Would you say that the economic pressure around the world maybe is going to put pressure on ukraine and russia in the . Well, thats the hard part. Because if the u. S. Is suddenly going to dip into recession, where is all that funding going to come from . It sending a huge amount of money over to ukraine, a huge amount of money in the form of weapons as well. How much longer will that go on for . Thats going to be the deciding factor because it was ready to be business is always been. Thank you. Thank you. Brit ah, ruby are among the most sought after gemstones in the world, but few people know that most of them come from northern mozambique cobble delgado province has huge reserves of gas and golden. Its also home to the worlds biggest ruby. Mine went to press, the region is plagued by poverty and violence. And as dw, andrea increased reports, little of the mineral wealth reaches ordinary people in mozambique the ruby minus on heightened alerts via text by insurgents are getting closer and the violence is only one of the problems facing the security team. This often good this because these are just coming from every day up to 200 people illegally enter the open cast mine hoping to share in the regents mineral wealth using simple tools, they dig tunnels up to 15 meters deep. The mine uses drone pilots to track the legal mining. Coordinating with the security team, were scrambling over from if you keep going. Okay, here, stop your copy. At this time only one of the men is courts. Hell go straight to jail and could face a sentence of up to 5. Yes, i didnt. One please. I have a 4 year old daughter and, and why in with you feel sorry for these guys . Because if you look at the, if you look at the area they move in, i mean, yes, these are mine. Yeah. Yes. We can only accommodate so many people in terms of employment. You cant give employment to everyone just in this facilities of our mind. Were looking at about i d 1000 displaced people are from on to be as of june and july. What do, what do that people do for an income they, they get involved in this, in a village, in the middle of the minor concession. We meet a group of young men at his annual minus. They say they have no other options. None of them got a job at the mine. This is my who are suffering hair made. I can, theres no work that i have no choice but to search for rubies. Ah, mark london and its not lucrative either. I just came back from digging 10 shafts and i found nothing. Amanda, you know, but still they hunt us down and arrest us at the mercy even if we dont have anything for them. The Company Shows off its social projects, farms, mobile Health Clinics and schools. But above all its pace. Plenty of texas says, mind manager, claudio snuggle nima upwards of 25 percent of our gross revenues and have been to the good paid to the government in terms ofa, production, texas and grey artis and tell him that thats a significant amount of money, but how much of that reaches the people here, a government representative in the region shows as a list of projects and asks for patience. And then push out that i want to wait in that ha, this district button like it is to day. We didnt have the Health Facilities that we have now in the villages around the mine, there are classrooms for the School Children that is growth happening. But i dont believe any one expects us to become rich overnight with all these resources, theater, people on board. This evolution normal domain to pro the weekend was really good, but there isnt much time left for the regions poorest to get some benefit from the gemstone. Welf, in as little as 10 years, the ruby reserves here could be exhausted poverty and the lack of prospects up lane to see some who dont try to get their hands on. Rubies rely on catching rodents to feed their families. The days almost dawned the conversation continues on line. You will find us on twitter either at d. W news or you can follow me on twitter at brent golf tv. And remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. We will see you here. Again, tomorrow, with, [000 00 00;00] with its a difficult time for its Elise Rainbow family. For monica, im maria ga maloneys election victory. As a nightmare. They feel hostility against the l g b t q, class, the community a in a worst case scenario. Would they be ready to leave the home country . Focus on europe next, on dw, searching for solutions to the energy crisis. Can we didnt . 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