Transcripts For DW The Day 20220819 : comparemela.com

Transcripts For DW The Day 20220819

A war zone. Meanwhile, the head of the u. N. Is in odessa or 10 more grained ships are ready to set sail under a un broker deal aimed at averting a global food crisis. Small success dwarfed by the distant goal of ending the bloodiest war in recent european history. Im nichol, furnish in berlin, and this is the day ah, with russian officials key threatening odessa and other cities and ukraine. We see what is happening in separation. So please get a copy of regime is plotting a highly publicized provocation as appreciate during the visit of you in chief terrace, going over the ice is condense in the strongest terms, rochs reckless disregard for Nuclear Safety and security. Ah, also coming up on the day as russian bombs rain down ukrainians are trying to save their Cultural Heritage by making digital copies. I hope this project will significantly help ukraine would and its future generations to warn you, because if a Historical Monument a sculpture, no were Historical Building is destroyed, it will be possible to restore it. O disaster not averted, at least not yet. The situation remains tense around europes Biggest Nuclear power station. And please, for de escalation abound as the head of the United Nations visits the southern port city of odessa. Antonio gutierrez has read or rated his calls for a demilitarized save zone around the russian occupied upper region. Nuclear facility, russia and ukraine accused each other of shelling the complex and planning acts of sabotaged their cave, also claims. Russia is planning to cut electricity produced and supple riggio from its power network. Faced with a prospect of some 4000000 ukrainians being left in the dark terrace, had a clear message for moscow. Obviously, the electricity from some 40 to use ukrainian electricity and seats necessary, especially during the winter ford of ukrainian people. And these people must be fully respected. So all eyes on this upper region Nuclear Power plant, w xian phillips shots has more on the situation there. Well, after a days of horrible news, there are some potentially good news. So during a phone call with a friend president my car hootin agreed to emission of for International Inspectors at the power plant. This is remarkable because he seems to agree to ukrainian demands to let the inspectors travel through ukrainian or controlled for territory. So this is a huge, a step forward. Of course, we have to see if he will really stick to this announcements that have been very many misleading announcements in the past. And in the meantime, a situation at the power plant remains highly dangerous. A lot of International Experts say that its not only the shelling of the plant that is so dangerous, but also the increasing risks are increasing risk of potential power cuts that could lead to a serious overheating of reactors. Where for disastrous consequences, lets not forget the real reason, the terrorist visit, and odessa grain. Millions of tons remain stuck in the port city. Our shipments starting to pick up pace. Yes, theres also some good news in this regards. The great deal seems to be holding a more around 30 ships have left the ukrainian parts so far and more ships will leave the parts in the coming days. Its actually a big success for the secretary general good tatters. And during his visit at the parts of odessa, he made it clear that he is very proud of the United Nations contribution to it. He says that odessa is actually a symbol of what the world, so can it she for when its working together for a common good and good terrorist. When that deal was struck actually said that it might have been the most important deal of his career, the u. S is announcing a new military aid package. What can you tell us about that . Yes, the pentagon Just Announced another 800000000. 00 aid package. Its basically a package of military assistance. It includes ammunition, how with surge, drawn a equipment against my and a lot of military equipment. And it comes at a time when a lot of military experts say that the war has reached a strategic debt law. And so that russia has Serious Problems with amunition or with this you package, the United States have contributed more than 10000000000. 00 us dollars in military aids to the ukranian war and said to the fight, cheer in ukraine. Young fell of shouts with the latest from odessa. Thank you. And for more, lets turn now to kurt fokker. He is a former Us Ambassador to nato and a former u. S. Special representative to ukraine. He is currently a distinguished follow at the center for european policy analysis and he joins us now from washington. D. C. Mr. Fokker, welcome to the day. Its good to see you. The grain deal was the 1st and so far, only major diplomatic success in the war, but turkey in the u. N. C. It as a 1st step towards a negotiated solution to the entire conflict. Ukraine says, well, only talk of russia withdraws. How do you see it . Well, i think thats exactly how bruton has given no indication that he intends to withdraw from ukrainian territory. It is true that his forces have had a hard time advancing lately and even taken some hits against ammunition depots and things. So there may be some desire for booting to negotiate and you know, get agreement to keep what hes taken. But i really dont believe that ukraine will do that. I also think that the grand deal is very important as your report indicates, but it was also only possible after ukraine redox make island and created a safe corridor where they could pass their ships to the west of the island out to the mouth of the black sea, so there is a military component to that which basically forced russia to recognize that youre going to do it. I want to look at that military component because yesterday i spoke to the former Ukrainian Ambassador to austria. Lets listen to some of what he told us and then keep talking a real chance for the lead thing piece would be the moment when we start pushing, pulling back from our territory. That would be the moment when fields you losing the, losing this war. And that will be the moment when you decide to really give diplomacy. Mr. Fokker, do you believe military force is the only thing that will push russia to the negotiating table . Well, its the minimum. I think hes absolutely right. That wont even consider negotiating anything serious unless there is military force pushed back against him and their forces are losing. But even then, what well try to achieve is gaining more territory in ukraine than he had before. Now hell want to claim some conquests on victory and ukrainians will not do that. They will not agreed to see part of their territory taken away by russia just as any other country, whether its germany or the United States. Whatever agree to just have our territory conquered . Does ukraine no currently have enough military force to achieve any of that to either a 4th, to the negotiating table or to push russia out of its installed territory . The tide turning not quite there yet. Russia is no longer able to advance militarily, they can lob dumb bombs. They dont have a lot of guided munitions anymore, but theyre not able to take even the rest of don bos, let alone advanced further elsewhere into ukraine. Ukraine, meanwhile, is making very good years of the precision guided munitions and artillery that the u. S. Is provided along with others, and this is taking out of russia in ammunition, depots, fuel storage, food storage, rail lines, bridges. And this is making it very, very difficult for the russians to supply their forces. And once those forces are stranded out there in the field, the russians are going to have to consider, do they do they need to pull them back . Or else they will be unable to really hold the position that theyre in. You say the times are turning. There has been lots of speculation about the recent strikes on crimea. Leadership in kia remains, coin didnt ukraine blow up the soccer field. So ukraine has not confirmed that i dont think any of us sitting here can say with certainty. But i think what we should say and say very clearly, is that a tax on Russian Forces in crimea are no different than a tax on Russian Forces elsewhere in ukraine. Whether they are outside of keys or whether the dom boss, all of our country is recognized crimea as part of ukraine. And the Russian Forces have no business being there. But cave has never struck that far into russian hill territory. So this, this is quite remarkable actually, if it was a key of authorized mission, i would say the us, lets talk about that is playing a key role in getting weapons donated by allies to ukraine. You know, nato quite well, why isnt the alliance doing that . Well, there are several reasons early on. I think several countries in nato were afraid of farming ukraine because it would just need to conflict with russia, not recognizing that russia was hell bent on the conflict anyway. So it is just a matter of helping ukraine survive. Another reason is that many nato countries have not invested in their own armed forces over many, many years. And so they have very little to give. And then a final reason is because they have very little to give their trying to harbor some National Defense forces of their own. Just in case because natos job is also to defend nato country territory, even though we would like to help you. Great. Now, this war, it doesnt look like there will be an outcome, a solution, or that it will be decided in the battle field in the foreseeable future. How long are the United States going to remain as resolute as they are and their support for ukraine . Well, i can only quote word secretary blinking, and us and bastard ukraine bridge brink said repeatedly, which is regard to help you crank as long as it takes. Now why hope that it doesnt take a very long time, but what were seeing now is ukraine likely able to take back some of the territory in harrison before the winter sets, and itll be a very tough winter for the Russian Forces. And then i think well see more fighting again next year. I hope that the ukrainian variable to use the time to regroup and rebuild. But doing that means getting the economy on a stronger footing. And thats both the Power Supplies that un secretary general gutierrez, was talking about getting the port open as weve been talking about. And also trying to make sure that there is a revival of a basic economy in ukraine beyond just the micro economy for the us public though this is a conflict that is very far away. How long can the cost be be justified to a public worried about inflation, their own cost of living and the political future of their country . It is an issue here. You hear it on the far left and you hear it on the far right that they dont think we should be spending all this much money or for how long the question should we be spending this amount of money. But overall, the majority of the population here very supportive ukraine. This is one of the few clear cut cases of outright aggression from a basically an evil regime. The regime that is deliberately targeting civilians committing war crimes raping women, showing maternity hospitals. There is tremendous support in us public for supporting ukraine, and its actually been the public and the congress that has pushed and the administration has been slower and reactive in dealing with. But you know, we know what sign were on of course, but discontented is brewing here. And there, here in germany as senior politician, just demanded that the north stream to gas pipeline be opened at he was quickly shot down, but those voices are there. Where does the western unity of purpose stand . Well, id say its pretty good right now. The fact that there are voices out there means that we are democracies, and any one with a point of view can express it. Of the vast majority of people recognize the stakes for europe in europe, security in russia being defeated, the kind of imperialism and ideology, the proven, represents now trying to exterminate a whole people. Thats exactly the same kind of ideology, the broadest world war 2. And so if we want to avoid water war and somethings more dangerous for all of us, its important that shouldnt be stopped in your gray car. Fucker distinguished fellow at the center for european policy analysis. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you for russia is taking punitive measures against 5 foreign id companies for violating online content laws. The country state Communications Regulator says itll target tick tock, telegram, zune, discord, and pinterest this after or facebook. Instagram and twitter were blocked earlier this year. The russian government accuses them of failing to remove content that they have flag to as illegal. Russia has find several text firms for similar breaches in the past. It is also warned sites against violating a law passed in early march, aimed at preventing independent reporting on russias war in ukraine. And lets bring and justin sherman. Hes a non resident fellow at the Atlantic Council cyber state craft initiative. Mister sherman, good to see you. With independent media, heavily censored, and russia, what role does social media play as a source of trustworthy information for people there . Social media plays a critical role. As you said, the domestic press environment in russia has been heavily repressed for decades. And its getting even worse in the past few months, journalists are at immense physical risk for saying anything that goes against the kremlin. And so for those in russia who were looking to get alternative information or to, you know, share alternative opinions or get facts on whats happening on the ground ukraine. Theyre looking to tick tock. Theyre looking to facebook, theyre looking to you too. And so thats exactly why the kremlin is targeting these foreign platforms because they are that source of information that contradicts the stateline. We dont know just yet how they are targeting these platforms, but were they to shut them down . Tech savvy people tend to find loopholes and work around stone. They what can russia do to stop tick tock and its users took a question. So the russian government is not very technical when it comes to internet censorship. The penultimate example is in 2020. The Russian Parliament made it illegal to use telegram. And then for 2 years you had this incredibly botched, frankly, a little bit embarrassing attempt to block telegram during which you know, many people continued to use telegram and even government officials would continue to use telegram. And so instead of relying on that more technical kind of censorship and filtering, you get a lot of offline coersion. This looks like speech laws, this looks like the threat of arrest. This looks like physical force used against tech Company Employees against citizens who post things on line. And so when the government talks about targeting these companies, they might block some sites. As you said, there are vpn and other ways to get around those restrictions. But what it probably looks like in practice is increased targeting of the people using those platforms, and anyone they can get to in the region surrounding russia. Thats helping to work on those platforms. Now, lets compare russia to china. The great firewall, as its nicknamed works because it can also offer its own alternative services power. Russian attempts at a sovereign internet pending out theyre not going well. Weve heard this talk of a domestic Russian Internet for about a decade now. And in 2019, who didnt put pen to paper and actually moved this into law saying essentially, we want a domestic internet. That with the flip of a switch, we can cut off from the rest of the world. And habits still work internally. You know, turns out the gap between saying something you like and getting it done is huge and the state has really struggled to get there for variety of reasons. As i said, the governments filtering capability is not the same as it is in china. In china, the actual underlying backbone of the internet is much more centralized. Its very diffuse in russia. And so if we think of bridges going into an island city in china, there are just a few of those bridges. Its easier to put people on them to monitor whats happening. Its very different in russia, and so the actual exercise of technically controlling, let alone isolating the internet is really, really difficult. And its something the state has not been able to do successfully. Terminal landra. Thanks stuff. Justin sherman at the Atlantic Council cyber st. Craft initiative. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Ah rushes war on ukraine has not only displaced millions of people and wrecked entire cities. It has also laid waste to ukraines one rich Cultural Heritage. Indiscriminate shelling of civilian areas is damaged or destroyed countless Historic Building museums and religious sites. But a new project promises to keep ukraines culture safe, at least in digital form. Russias missiles threaten ukrainians, lives, and also their cultural fabric. For months, volunteers have been working to save ukraines heritage from russian attacks. Now a new digital project offers a different way to preserve that heritage. 3 d scanning up back up ukraine, turns ordinary ukrainians into digital archivists. The app turns their photos into 3 d models and on tag to their precise location and save to a secure online database in the cloud. Where now bombs can reach architect and key of resident maxime. Communion has already contributed more than 100. 00 smartphone scans to the project. Yes, what do i should say . But i do that one. I hope this project will significantly help ukraine. And its future generations to a inquisition vanya because if a Historical Monument, a sculpture or Historical Building is destroyed, it will be possible to restore it. Yeah. And the same material and size, everything can be identical. What would the insta

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