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She did lawyer, this is another property of action by the u. S. Administration to put additional pressure on people. What i can tell you is that the u. S. Will bear the responsibility and pay the price for undermining china. Sovereignty and security interest also coming up, Russias Energy squeeze on europe. One of the a use biggest gas feels was slated for closure because its causing earthquakes. Now theres pressure to keep it producing, which is worried many residents plus people are afraid with a net next earthquake that the roof will come down and well, the beams may lanham you. Welcome to the day we begin aware the visit thats taking place despite the threat of a major diplomatic incident. The speaker of the us house of representatives, nancy pelosi has landed in taiwan, in her words, to honor americas unwavering commitment to supporting ty, ones vibrant democracy. That support is against the growing might of china, which regards the island is chinese territory, beijing seas. If it is a major provocation and has announced military exercises, that will practically surround the self ruling island in the coming days. I want says the 1st chinese war planes entered its air defense zone soon after pelosi landed. Well, nancy pelosi didnt make a statement when she touch down, but she did publish a series of tweets after arrival in time pay. They included this american solidarity with the 23000000 people of taiwan is more important today than ever. As the world faces a choice between autocracy and democracy. Lets take a closer look at this one of my 1st guest tonight. Thats that Theresa Fallon, whos director of the center for russia europe, asia studies. She joins us from brussels. Welcome to the w. Nancy pelosi says shes in taiwan to show america solidarity with its people. If you are having an honest heart to heart with joe biden, i do think he would answer that question the question. Whats nancy really doing . Well there are some mixed messages sent out before nancy pelosi went, but as speaker, she has shes part of the 3 organs of government and she does have the program to travel there. They did try to convince her not to go there. Its a great deal of lobbying for her not to go, but i would say that today there has been such a groundswell of support and she has managed it quite well. Actually, there was also an op ed that was very persuasive that was published today in the washington post. Tomorrow. Well see what, how the meetings go. But shes also going to be meeting with democracy protesters from hong kong. So this is kind of what change the whole narrative for tie one. The one is narrative really went to pear shaped after what happened in hong kong. So i think she has created a lot of these the situation current landscape. And i think that her symbolic this, it has even just wanting to put it up or walking in. So tell that the grounds, phone support a taiwanese people was overwhelming. And also president biden. Do you remember we had his democracies summit . Hes supposed to be a proponent of democracy and by going there she showing a huge support for democracy and its such a vibrant democracy. There will be a meeting of 2 Women Leaders to discuss democracy. So i think it sounds a very powerful message to whole region. And then of course, if the china is the angry reaction to a certain extent, we can brush off the rhetoric because thats what we call to expect from china. But what do you think beijing means when they talk about responding with targeted military actions . I think the message that beijing is sending will actually boomerang and she jumping, he was quiet. He wants peace in the run up to the Party Congress and hes not getting that at all. So now they have surrounded taiwan with extra military exercises, like fire military exercises and many and lets say this is a kind of a preparation for a blockade for possibly a future invasion of taiwan. So theyre sending a very strict message to the taiwanese and also to other countries in the region. And by having live, fight your exercises in all areas around taiwan is also very worrying. So yes, they might be popular label chinas version of twitter. But lets suppose he actually broke way, but today they couldnt keep up with all the post on label. And so it seemed overwhelmingly that the public doesnt want to warn china that this type of narrative is not very effective. And so i think that maybe she didnt ping has a really bad case of bad coping brain. He hasnt left the country in 3 years. And i think thats all this pressure about the Party Congress when he wants to change the norms and stay in power longer than his 2 terms has perhaps affected his judgment. Right. And then of course, theres russia. Lets hear from the Russian Foreign ministry a spokeswoman Maria Zachary over and then come back to we should them, we regard the resolution of the taiwan straits situation as a purely internal chinese matter is what it was that what we say there is only one china, the p r. C. Government is the so legitimate government of all china and taiwan is an integral part of china only changed for Theresa Fallon so far, the rest of convince china not to on russia, even if the west pores weapons into ukraine is nancy pelosi strip. Likely to change beijings mind, we should remember the february 4th, no limits agreement that was signed between. Shes in pain and president putin in the run up to the olympics. This was a symbol of how they are backing each other, how they are cooperating. And its no surprise that russia has back to chinas position, even though some analysts are trying to say that china doesnt really want to support russia. Thats not true at all. And i think its in chinas own interest. Theyre fearful of secondary sanctions. If china does support russia with weapons that will trigger you as a secondary sanctions. So i think that china is helping russia by buying oil. And i think that theyre getting a discount on that as well. So there is mutual support for russia in china. We really have to see the world as it is not as we would like it to be. Some people have said that, you know, of course, this is no one likes its you 2 front war maybe china and russia could cooperate by causing more problems in the balkans since china has so many weapons in serbia and including their drone program. So i think that there is room for mr. Between russia and china, coordinating in other regions, but i think that it serves chinas purpose is to have a we can russia over the longer term. So, right. They can just say we cant tell you anything because of us sanctions are publicly of course the taiwan has welcome to visit, but china is already responded by batting various taiwanese import. Doing taipei is likely to have to pick up the bill for this party. Food imports make up a very, very small percentage of exports from taiwan to china. So it started out at 100. 00 products. Now it being backed up to 2000. And this is more symbolic in my mind. And other things in taiwan will gain huge risk that everyone is talking about. I want these days and for saying when this gives them more credibility on the international stage. Since beijing has been trying so hard to limit their ability to take action, they dont want other people to visit with them. And i think nancy pelosi, the actions have been consistent over 30 years. We remember that night, teen 91. She and square and. And for the banner in support of the who died for democracy. So shes been consistent for over 30 years on her policy in regard to the peoples republic of china. So i think that i was happy to see her come and support them and actually has helped pave the way for other people to visit type one because i think beijing has actively lobby and tried to prevent others from coming to visit. So i think this is a very important symbol, and i think nancy pelosi against all odds and all the naysayers who didnt want her to go. And its really shown you know that she supports democracy and has so far so good. Well see how tomorrow goes tomorrow. Will be a good day. Im Theresa Fallon. Very clear and very interesting. Thank you so much for joining d. W. As a follow from the center of russia europe asia studies. Thank you. Thank you. Well try to florence on official protests with the German Embassy in beijing. Us after foreign minister out of in a bad book, criticized chinese aggression towards taiwan. On monday, after a speech to the you are you said germany stands united with the u. S. We share american concerns, we have painfully learned over the past month with february 24th. That aggressive authority can turn into a dangerous action. Chinas comments was regard to tiven, raise serious questions. It cannot be in our interest if china is creating on top of this excessive economic dependency in its region. Will they w i correspond mikaela. Kaufman, was that on the lever . Burbock speech in new york. And she described what the foreign minister had to say regarding nancy pelosi visit to taiwan. And how those comments came to upset china. He said that it simply wasnt acceptable in relation to russia that a big estate could attack the smaller neva. And that International Law also applies to china. Now that didnt go down. Well, a protest was delivered to the german ambassador in beijing. And, and clearly this is so chinese reflex when that is criticism. Although we have learnt out of the background here that there is no interest to really make a clear statement of reaction on that visit. It appears just like the United States. They want to see this visits, speak for itself and not add fuel to the fire because quite clearly what we are seeing from the chinese side. There is quite a bit of anger over this isnt the, the foreign minister also called for strengthening of the transatlantic alliance. What does she mean by them . So what . Yes, well, she held a speech on see thing the trans atlantic moment. That is a rather nice way of saying of the rediscovery of transatlantic bonds, the reliance on the United States in the light of the ukraine, a war and m. C. There says that its hina is of course a common concern. And a more alignment with the u. S, policy on china is what shes hinting at. And that could mean taking a toughest dance, but that could also mean after the failure to get that transatlantic trade agreement together. That there could be individual steps that could amount to Something Like a closer trade framework. The foreign minister also said the germans had abandoned its long how the belief in the concept of change through trade. What does she mean by that . This is very interesting because this is the question that im going to michael, the former german sansa voided during this final months of being in office. When she was asked with the example of china. Whether that was proof that it true that this concept had failed. She simply didnt want to answer that very question. And here on alina bab okay, stating that quite clearly. And what she means is having less trade reliance as she cited ukraine. And with germanys europes heavy reliance on ross and gas as a negative example. And in relation to china, that must mean she is her argument to have less dependence in certain aspects of production as supply lines, not to have to discover that they cant be any certain medicine so it can, can no longer be delivered at home because of a high reliance on china, so reducing that, i think there she is very much in line with what america, both under trump and under bite and has been calling for for a long time. Clearly the europeans did german rethinking that translations to china. I thank you for that. Reason, correspondingly kind of conflict in new york. Ah, Russia Supreme Court has rule that ukraines as of regiment is a terrorist organization. A decision that may allow harsh sentences against fighters who are now russias prisoners of war. The ruling comes just days after dozens of ukrainian period, w is from the hours of battalion. What killed by the shelling of a prison in separatist control. Ukraine. Keith called the attack on me all any cup, prisoners, deliberate, russian war crime. Russia blames ukraine for the shelling. Many of the ukrainian prisoners had surrendered after the months long. Siege of the city of mattie, of the as of regiment is a Ukrainian Military unit with a far right and nationalist background. It was the focus of russias claims about fascist elements in new cray. So what does this ruling mean for the house of battalion members now being held by pro Russian Forces . D w. So begin to showcase in key explained round about 2500 fighters surrendered to the russians. They were registered by the red cross s so called prisoners of war. And that would mean under the Geneva Convention that they are not that its not allowed to charge them only for fighting in that war. But these changes, if they are recognized terrorist organizations, then they could face big chargers and even in the dunbar, republic officials have said they could even get the death sentence. So this is, this is a really hard situation also for the relative bird. I just spoke to her to a lawyer here in ukraine. It, he said it might be only like political game by russia to like raise their so to say bell, you off the prisoners in this, in a possible prisoner swap or in, in negotiations for a peace agreement. So their relatives are, they dont know what to think here if its just like if they are just pawns or if its a really threat. But many here are very worried because many have relatives or friends in the army. And when they might get prisoners of war, they fearing this pattern of russian we have been seeing over the past months to criminalize the prisoners of war. Ah, europe in Union Countries are attempting to reduce the use of russian gas as moscow cut supplies and fears grow of our winter gas shortage. Germany has restarted an old coal fired power station to sure if its gas reserves. And in the netherlands theres debate about whether dis that whether a decision to shut down a major gas failed should be reversed. The groaning and gas field is the biggest of its kind in europe. The w report of sonya found the car travel to groaning where decades of extraction of course earthquakes. She found locals her unhappy about suggestions that the gas should keep flowing. Young whittakers damaged house is being strengthened to withstand future earthquakes. Its a complex operation on dish and p l. This part of the building is already repaired it. Another section had to be completely torn down and has been rebate. The house was damaged in the aftermath of a strong earthly huffman. Twill urine groningen where gas extraction has triggered tremors for decades on get a dash record, it was horrible. Everything was moving in all. There was a huge, nice as well. Oh all the height and there was one loud bang. Oh i mile went on to your yard as you sank into a huge loss. It was a beautiful house. We were happy in it. We run down mitchell green. The earthquakes of lead to more than a 160000. 00 damages claims to date, which prompted the dutch government to scale by gas production. And take a decision to close down the gas field by next year. But the russian invasion of ukraine and slashing of gas close to europe has torn those plans into question. The dutch government is now considering tapping the fields, still ample reserves in case of a gas emergency in winter. Mckeyan mulder is an Energy Expert at the university of kronen. He believes its possible to temporally res output at the groaning and field to meet a part of europes gas meets. And get the residents on board as well. If you wanna use a small part or got these revenues to compensate all habitants overwritten of groningen at the expense a bit higher risk for earthquakes because this still exists. So this will be the best decision for, for everyone having more casual markets. More of use hoodie, a quicker appropriate conversation for all the inhabitants and more cas applied to the european coast market. What weve got correction hall, but theres also correction ceiling, but residents and groaning and dont trust those promises. Marianna tory has been petitioning authorities for 6 years to recognize and be for the damage she says was caused by gas extraction and pull down the house if needed. She still waiting for a decision. The damage, meanwhile, is growing them. This is the type of damage that we see a lot, and its the one that its the show them that really scares me. Lot of people are afraid with an next earthquake that the roof will come down and well, the beams may land on you. The dutch state and the gas in the operator had paid out of it a 1000000000 euro so far to affected residence for rebuilding and strengthening homes. None of the residents are looking forward to continuing damage to their homes. But the dutch government may be out of other options if the gas crisis takes the tone for the worse in the winter. Ah, my fellow americans and saturday, in my direction, United States successfully concluded an air strike in kabul, afghanistan to kill the mere kind of m on our right. Now, justice has been delivered in this terrace leader is no more that no matter how long it takes, no matter where you. Hi. If you are a threat to our people, United States will find you and take you out. It was present joe biden, that i was seeing the ass drive that killed al qaeda leda. Im and i was, im a hearing us had been on his trail for decades from all. Lets talk to bobby bowman, whos senior director of the foundation for the defense of democracies and assistant professor of the u. S. A military academy at west point. Welcome back to the w. Why did the u. S. I want to kill out that were hearing rather than arrest him and bring him to justice. You know, there are good reasons for why we would want to capture him. Its interesting to note that the f, b, i, the federal bureau of investigation put out a 25000000 dollar reward for information leading to his apprehension and conviction. And if we had done that, we would have been able to interrogate him. If wed be able to send people in to capture him, we will be able to collect files and information that he had with them much as we did in 2011. Weve been bought and so that would have been per verbal. But of course you wouldnt have to put americans at risk to do that. And my strong assess guess is that the bio ministration was unwilling to take that risk. If you think about the risk associated with sending americans in the cobble, they appears to have decided that they would rather just conduct this drone strike and take him off the battlefield rather than putting additional american lives at risk. And if we look at that, either you could ask yourself, well, if, if that legal can can better could just go right. Well, clearly conscious, go around the world, killing people, but we have rules with the on we big on the rule of law. We are and i would argue, respectfully, this is clearly consistent with the rule of law. Certainly consistent under us law in the 2001 authorization for use of military force after the United States was attacked and and so many of our citizens were murdered. Lets remember that im an elder our here he was involved in the 1998 bombing of the us embassies in kenya and tanzania. He was involved in the bombing of the u. S. S. Cole, were 17 of our sailors were murdered. And he was the number to about kite on september 11th, 2001, when so many of our citizens were killed. He was the number one ill kinda after law was killed. And so, you know, when you look at who he is, who he was, thankfully, what he has done and the organization here was leaving any reasonable reading of International Law. And doctrines of self defense tells me this is eminently defensible. Right . And so that would be, that would be americas defense. If he came to that, that in killing him abroad, we were defending ourselves at home. Yes. Right. Thats the big idea here. I think certainly from my perspective is that when people are trying to kill you, you have a right to defend yourselves. This goes to whether youre defending your home or whether youre defending your country. And were going to be some paper here at home, whether its in germany, the United Kingdom or the United States. If we put pressure on terrorist over there who are plotting as we speak to do us harm. And now of course we have that the us and to taliban h accusing the other, violating this 2020 doha agreement that facilitated the withdrawal of international forces. And i suppose they can both be right. Calmer know right. And you know, just you know, i dont think that agreement that the Trump Administration worked out with the taliban. Whatever works. Frankly, the paper it was written on, you know, we document in part 2 insisted that the taliban break with al qaeda not provide them safe haven. I mean that frankly at the time was laughable and laughable. Now of course the taliban provided safe haven, alcorda in the months and weeks and days leading up to 911. 00. They never broke without kaiser during the 20 year war they remain natasha. They have a kind to help the taliban take parts of afghanistan. And its interesting that as soon as america left and our and our partners left zondaway here, he did what he moved right into cobble right underneath the nose, the taliban. So you know, i think the truck ministration wanted to withdraw from afghanistan. And they used the that agreement to try to vide legitimacy to something that theyre going to do anyway. Thats help and knew it. And they told United States in the world, but we wanted to hear. Right. And then briefly, so now we have our county sounds taliban rule as, as international parish, the countrys economies meltdown. And facing a humanitarian crisis, they appear to have nothing to lose. So why wouldnt they shelter people they regard as their quote, brothers in struggle . Its a great question. Why would they stop . Thats my point. Theyve sheltered them before 911. They sheltered them for 20 years, and theyre sheltering them now. So our presumption should be that they will continue to do so and, and your viewers, i hope, are asking themselves. Who else have come, has come to ask in a stand since the United States and our allies right now just, im and were hearing and are they training . Are they fundraising . Are they planning other attacks . I fear evidence in history suggest the answers. Yes, thank you. So much for joining us. Probably bowman from the foundation for the defense of democracies on the days almost done by the conversation continues online, youll find us on twitter either odd state w use like you follow me. Hell go have a good day with ah, with dry facts, most boss of the water, at least the form of the year youre experiencing some with theres plenty of sea water, but desalination is Energy Intensive and expensive. A berlin bass to start up shows us. It doesnt have to be this way, global 3000 next on d, w o africa, natural cooling without moving the environment with a sophisticated design chips in our new tech zera alba t t has been focusing on green and Affordable Housing in to whether the harsh desert climate, pico africa in and d w oh, with ended glistening place of longing. The mediterranean sea. Its waters connect people of many cultures. 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