Of course at least from the u. K. Side things arent looking so sure of that anymore either but there is this fear here in germany as well that words are many to become part of at least that u. S. Led mission and that it could become Collateral Damage in the same could apply to an e. U. Naval mission as well so thats something that germanys discussing at the moment but nothing has been moved off the table so far germany is in very close talks with the u. K. And with france right now as we saw there on a great crime karrenbauer the new Defense Minister was already meeting with french and u. K. Officials today to discuss exactly how a joint effort can be achieved and to move things forward and find out whats very important for germany here a Difficult Matic Solution so not any kind of Military Action but beyond that still murky waters all around helen of what about. That International Naval mission that
the u. S. Has been trying to put together in the Strait Of Hormuz is there any movement on that. Well there is some movement which yet know the full details and that what we should point out is that talks were held today with Military Representatives from the United States from the u. K. In back rain back rain of course is home to the 5th largest u. S. Naval fleet in the wild so a sense that they are putting that together details are emerging on that those doors those talks to being held behind closed doors we can expect more details potentially on thursday and now we know that perhaps denmark code and portugal spain and sweden said that they would be interested to hear what comes out of that suggest away in their possibilities i wonder now whether that changes based on those latest sanctions targeted against the Foreign Minister zarif because that makes it very clear that the United States is still pursuing this campaign of
maximum pressure all of which the European Union has been critical so that may change and how this now evolves i think brant all right hold on 3 on the story for us in washington kate birdie on the story here in the german capital to both of you thank you. Expect breaks may come up a little bit i think the crucial thing to stress is that. This the attach huge importance to the let the spirits be of the good friday agreement well that was a british Prime MinisterBoris Johnson speaking in Northern Ireland today in belfast he reiterated his promise that he will take the u. K. Out of the European Union and that there can be no brakes a deal until the backstop is scrapped now the backstop is Something Like an Insurance Policy that would guarantee no return to a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic Of Ireland most people inNorthern Ireland voted to remain in the European Union and that referendum back in 2016 and one of the provinces biggest parties the nationalist shin fein is staunchly opposed to a new deal breaks it that was the message that the partys leader had for mr johnson when she spoke to him today so we have mass with bars johnson. Weve had a fairly extensive conversation with him and which we have raised the issue of braggs us. His course of action which seems. To indicate that he has set the compass for a disorderly and a crash frags us very clearly that this would be catastrophic for the Irish Economy after irish i fully hoods for our society for our politics and for our peace accords weve made it clear to him that. Extensive planning that he tells us he is
carrying out and respect of a potential crash. The constitutional question of the issue of abortion here in our in and. Germany deported nearly 25000 people last year whose application for asylum had been rejected but that is less than half of the number of people who should have been deported 30000 people are thought to still be in the country in harvey or now the government is tightening the wall to make it easier to send people not eligible for asylum back to their country of origin as we reported the changes are controversial. At Munich Airport a dozen nigerian nationals are taken to a chartered plane for deportation. 5 people on the Passenger List are missing they
may have gone into hiding 12 migrants board the aircraft accompanied by 3 times as many Police Officers. Officer Christian Kook of my own has been on many such deportation flights he says repatriation amounts to a personal crisis for migrants many are desperate some even injure themselves at the last minute to try and avoid deportation as i remember the moments in the day are always my worry about it i wonder how things are going to work out for them are these but then i figure if were sitting in the plane with them that a proper Legal Process is being carried out. For. Somebody who is from senegal could be deported next he has lived in and around munich for 5 years his Asylum Application was turned down he knows the rules for deportation are getting stricter and a lengthy detention is possible. Is a feel for all of us lets not leave because we are not see if we are to see. What
through what we think. We have been done i think if someone dont have what is probably we dont fight so i think. Most people. Some get support from an n. G. O. S munich or Refugee Council that helps him when he deals with officials and needs legal advice the Refugee Council is critical of the new deportation that youll asians. The stared at him is now compared to being completely deprived of their rights not only that those who fled here are being dehumanised because this is no longer a matter of an individuals fate but the families are split up all whether a person is sick this is a matter of carrying out to potations for the sake of raising the statistics scientistic good. Authority to see things differently those in detention at this temporary facility at Munich Airport are legally required to be deported. Every
case has been reviewed by a judge. Related to you but she will. People who have committed offenses have priority on a deportation plights those who are in danger of public order and safety. Delinquents and people consider the threat dealt with 1st then comes every one else because when and by the get started its not only criminals who are detained in the worst cases people who have committed minor violations such as signing a document too late could also be deported. That sometimes makes officers like. Think twice even if they trust the system thanks abusive officials who accompany deportees such as speeding and fighting is on the rise and witnessing deportees inflicting injury on themselves is stressful. Because it is it is murders to try to avoid letting it get to me i think he doesnt mean me personally he probably
sees Police Officers on the flight as representatives of the german state and he holds them in contempt because he has to leave the country that is how i distance myself from the situation or its over the week is a visit from your fans or. The migrants from nigeria have long since landed back home for the time being they may not return to germany their train is over. One remains a country deeply scarred by the genocide 25 years ago about 800000 people were slaughtered in 100 days by ethnic Food Extremists they were targeting members of the minority to see community as well as political opponents many of the killers mostly men have served time in prison but the genocide has had a lasting and devastating effects on rwanda with ethnicity still very much
a Taboo Subject our correspondent melanie jura the ball introduces us to men who are trying to talk about what happened in the hopes of healing themselves. Well today these men sit side by side in Community Based social sarah p. To share their experiences during run this darkest hour the 1994 genocide 25 years ago when up to a 1000000 tutsis a moderate hutus were wiped out in just 100. 00 days but it would divide it among those who carried out the killings and those who survived it. Memories of being on the run and how his pregnant wife had to give birth in hiding that. We couldnt find a way that the baby would survive being with us but i still had friends who i was doing business with they helped me and they took my newborn mcknights to a woman who run an orphanage at. The baby stage but
a few days later the perpetrators went there to look for him they took my baby and killed him. Up don now lives a peaceful life with his wife. But he struggles with the guilt of not being able to protect the 12 members of his family who were killed during the genocide similarly former release perpetrators like every step have served their sentence are still haunted by what they call the shame of their past he says hes guilty of killing 4 people including to members of his own family. I came to realize that i cant escape my judgment i accepted it and went to ask my father in law for forgiveness it was too much to handle the fact that i had killed my mother in law i was in so much pain. Many of the men returning from prison have struggled they found their families estranged their role as the head of the household challenged
in the image of their very own masculinity destroyed. They say these feelings however cannot be talked about in public. And always has to be strong a man has to suffocate his pain and behave like a man. The way i see it a man should also show his emotions in Rwandan Culture i can accept it in public. A man needs to overcome his pain. Then swallowed it tears thats a local problem here in rwanda which reflects a dangerous side to all men are expected to deal with their pain and grief alone in silence and internally although the country is hailed as a role model reconciling with its violent past toxic image and lets continue to persist and continues to hurt the Healing Process of its me a population. Away from social pressures and at least an im glad they have found a safe space to reconcile and work on the psychological. Therapy helped. Because we used to fear each of. Them whenever i saw a person i had wronged. I could feel my heart racing. We have no problems with the perpetrators anymore because theyre part of the families of social therapy. When we meet now we are the same we have the same heart. About each person but. The man of peace a new social Therapy Group hope to contribute to the healing of their country so that future generations wont repeat their mistakes by facing their demons together they set an example so that rundown men learn how to show their emotions and their society learns to accept that. For
a powerful story did talk about this process of healing im joined now from Southern Germany by dr thomas teaches a neuropsychologist and his work to help victims of conflict and trauma its good to have you on the show you have worked with conflict victims in rwanda congo and in afghanistan to name just a few places how important is it in the Healing Process for for people to talk about past atrocities i think its very important to understand what has happened and what is actually straight some dangers in the prisons and the only way we really cant process it is talking about it and you have to talk about your thoughts your motions you feelings and also about You Sensations we know that in the end in the fall well from the genocide of
rwanda. There were in the massive changes in the Legal Framework of the country it is now illegal for example to talk about or to write about ethnicity in that Legal Environment how in the world can we expect people to open up about their nightmares that came from the genocide. I cannot see how the Legal Framework really is the problem here you are not allowed to officially know this whether youre outta work but people still know it i asked the people how do your children know they said well one is an art or an uncle and the other one isnt so it is very well known its just simply not good in birds but i cannot see how that would be an obstacle who are telling what has happened well of course you mention you are in genocide. Imagine you have killed people with a mushy where you have beaten them to death or you have stabbed them would you be
in a position to talk about this to other people i think nobody would usually. Be that thats a good point to make and its hard to imagine to help people perpetrators or victims how they would deal with Something Like this especially when were talking about 25 years after the fact we hear that men deal with emotions differently than women is that true when it comes to dealing with a huge trauma like the rwandan genocide. It is true that men were primarily the perpetrators also there were also some women but the majority were made and they can talk about themselves in like in former club blue club so full of combatants like veterans to invest in countries now but they would not talk if you if you meet somebody from a war zone lets say