I think i was a student because i wanted to build a life for myself like these totally but suddenly life became alledge kind of thought. Providing insights global news that matters v. W. Made for minds. Ive. Kind. All we can be the generation that ends it the good malaria must die so millions can live. Welcome to crunch time the european elections are just around the corner i know weve almost forgotten about them because of braggs but now they are back with a vengeance and you might have recognized the place we are sitting here this is of course the seat of the European Parliament in strasbourg and this is the last Plenary Session in this thread up before the election so its time to discuss the new elections and why they matter to asia now if you think someone is here you might ask why should i care about think european elections well its one of the
biggest markets in the world and in times of globalization everyone everywhere can. Discuss that with a great panel so stick with us and stick with our guests on my left for example. Who is a member of the european greens and an expert on asia and she says the Guiding Light for Good Governance in the region needs to be universal human rights and on my right we have professor dr who he is from the center for global studies in boston and europe and asia need each other to overcome these times of uncertainty im right over there the youngest member of the European Parliament so its his future were also talking about here its of course ralph and he is from the e. C. R. Group the european conservatives and reformists and he says calling the asian economies suddenly systemic rivals and competitors is going too far. Also
with us is mr good you think hes indias former ambassador to germany and he says europe is not. Discussion in asia. Least where is the home which shows some member of the european left enough. He says asia and europe need to be the closest possible partners to overcome the global problems talking about problems and bachmann next every time i talk about europe and asia people say to me you mean china many people here is the non in this china so lets talk china. China is big china is fine china is high tech. Nation is striving for power to become the Technology Hub of the world. And Road Initiatives in twenty First Century silk road its been called by the rich chinese Marshall Plan back to campaign for global dominance but does the trade go late. We cannot let mutual suspicion get the better of us from. Europe one straight but. This has to lead to a reciprocity that we are still struggling to achieve during in the months from now. European industries are increasingly falling under chinese control. Of the. European Enterprises Need to get the same degree of access to the market as the chinese get in europe. China is a Global Player when it comes to Digital Infrastructure europeans have long been
familiar with the dominance of chinese giants like who way. Is china spying on europe. None of us is naive. China relations facing new challenges time and even a couple. You know hardball when you said you were looking for the closest possible relationship right here or should we disregard the spying of china should we disregard the Human Rights Situation and just go for a very Close PartnershipClose Partnership includes human rights as i would say but this includes also. Concentrating on the question of how we can come cooperate and that means that we have to focus on the social issues on the Economic Issues on issues of human rights but of course also on the mental issues and that is the Globe Business is about that at least in the past when it comes to the Human Rights Situation so that really affected it is an effect of the question as it is
maybe not enough effective but it is going into the right direction and here i see really a development in the by little relationship and we have to continue to strengthen also the attention on the human rights now. You might just come up with a very policies towards china recently score china and make a rival and with more telephones of governance you think thats going too far why well i wouldnt always call this assertive because some powers in europe really have an admiration for the Chinese State system i wouldnt go that far but i also dont want to be naive so i really want to point out that there are real challenges regarding china i really need to break up this public forum and markets china need to respect copyrights need to stop forcing this Technology Transfer that European Companies face in europe those are challenges but those challenges dont
mean that we need to turn away from Global Cooperation that we need to start closing or selves to work towards the open markets because the openness and the freedom of markets that europe always showed in the past is exactly what makes you a great and we should maintain. This openness towards all partners in the future. Would you say would you agree with saying the wrong term systemic rivals well i think also what you said at the entrance that china and europe we have to Work Together in multilateral for our like the United Nations because we have a high risk time base our common policies on the rule of law and the rules based order and i think china could do much more now china is expanding in the United Nations feels a lot of gaps when the u. S. Pulled out but i think that theres a lack of conditioning it also on Human Rights Protection and i think now we have
five human states in the Security Council to permanence Three Nonpermanent and still china should be more cooperative for example to refer severe human rights cases like in myanmar the case of the International Criminal court or the Human Rights Council itself but to find opportunities to put to you agree with the terms systemic rivals are we rivals or we partners well i think we are partners i think the term if you dont agree with what Terminology Rival is very limited to being a rival on the economic market i see the European Union also as a political entity and there should we should refine our hurting and seek opportunities to Work Together while at the same time critiquing where we have different for example different values. Willis is that it is rivals at an economic sense with china but would you argue that china is also has political
aspirations of dominance through its various projects within the Playing Divide And Rule within the e. U. Through projects like the belgian Good Initiative. There was a lot of misunderstanding about the chinese one bill one load you. Teves you need if you. Really consider the situation for me the chinese. New Security Initiative is indeed a december strategy towards united staes which is a reaction to the americans even to egypt so the Chinese Government didnt want it to go directly into front confrontation too nice a deal have you going to be distracted to go with indeed to despair and turned to the European Countries with the idea. The second their first one is to to find
a new way to create a new market whole Chinas Economy Decision is to avoid a direct confrontation. Just look at the last one is to find a way to give Chinese Society is a new possibility to give an area which is a totally separated from the globalization new chance to quantum you could development but this project is somehow miss radio and misunderstand you from the whole basket or do you feel like the project is misunderstood because i understand indians not participating at all indeed categorically refusing to participate because they have a completely different understanding of one belt one road that is a servant who understand things and i think the Common Knowledge to make a right is a good one i think you out of stops need to stop trying to namby pamby china they need to come up upfront and stand up for what they believe in you cant have
economic leading you by the nose so that all your values are surrendered you have to emphasize human values beyond human rights which of the you why you. Dont vote because we believe or is not looking out for other countries. Interests political strategic and economic and we do not want the world to become kind of a Stimulus Package for the chinese economy so i want children hes talking about Ambassador Thing is i think one should not Namby Pamby Shina that the e. U. Has come up with its own asia or europe Connectivity Package do you think that is europes. Or board of the one bad one Good Initiative i would not say that is just the opposite issue but here we have to find channels to to combine these different plans etc because i would not agree totally with you but i would say that this
rivalry understanding is just describing more than only economic violence it is a way of how we are treating each other and that is a term from the cold war times and that means we are competing each other not. To break the other one economically politically etc that i think is leading if you are looking into the Global Challenge into the wrong direction if for example one point four billion people in china want to live their way of. Living or one point Three Million Billion in india and one more billion in the other Asian Countries so what does it mean for resources what does it mean for the reproduction what does it mean for the climate so here i think we have really obligation to find channels to cooperate and i would welcome that in europe participating in these different plans and well talk about that more later about indias indias role in that but i think
its safe to say that of course china is much more involved nowadays in europe not only on the fringes but in the European Union as well that it was in the past we prepared to tweet from that because greece obviously is one of the countries where there was a lot of investment Chinese Investment in the last years and this tweet is from Alexis Tsipras the green. Prime minister i think we have it says meeting with the chinese president xi jinping greece is a bridge between east and west china and the e. U. Now this. Is a couple years old but it is well its more relevant than ever it seems and wouldnt you say professor that some people in europe could feel threatened by chinese activity as of late. In the perception of the chinese threat is understandable. Because of two reasons the first one is we have People Living in
European Countries you have no experience with a country which is on the floor of the Communist Party with tremendous new power going into the condiment new. Nobody because you kiran the second one is misunderstanding because why you go to chinese do you do you have the feeling we just come to you. Only with a computer with a new projector to walk with you to good why are you reaction so. What is our rather. Evil christian discussion in china do you hear also term travel with. Few of china to project i believe the real huge demand for b. The bridge connecting. With the chinese. Is only a project no to. Im trying not to do you agree with that because there is
a lot of concern in the chinas influence not just within europe at the Eastern Europe we have the sixteen Point One Initiative has now joined the sixteen plus one initiative its now seventeen plus one did in fact europe all these countries in the into the arms of the chinese because they. On countries like greece not giving them money was a member sell the assets to willing buyers like china well i would. Agree with you in one point i think china. Openly used its influence and its economic ties for example with greece and conditioned it two years ago and you say because you depend on our economic aid or support you have not to vote to critique china in the Human Rights Council and this kind of policy is very rational that the european side critiques this because the European Union can be only strong
in a multilateral fora if we speak with one voice and this was a clear take split. And i think this china should seek different forms to engage and to Work Together by strengthening not weakening the human rights and if i may be scared of our own shadow europe is the biggest Global Economy we are the biggest Trading Block of the world we are the biggest Export Partner of china and we should respect ourselves with this position this is only a bit to be more assertive to sit around the table with china and im not scared of these investments in the in the balkans and so on because recent projects have clearly shown that china fails to deliver a lot of time you know i mean you know with the power plants in montenegro with the Road Building so this country also understand that china has major difficulties. Applying the european rules regarding procurement better just have example with
Technology Transfer in the last years you know but we see for example with the project in montenegro with the roads that they really meant the complexity of the local regions and i think this type of collaboration will never replace European Union but it can work complimentary in certain cases but we should really look and respect our own our own position on a global level and not be scared of our own shadow and we want the big concerns here just like it is that when china is investing some of these Eastern Europe in both the investing in Critical Infrastructure and in Campaign Speech have actually limited Financial Resources creating what people feel is a debt trap so these kind of things then have a certain dependency on china which rallies. Exactly where we need to really assertive policy and we are doing that to simply make these Foreign Direct InvestmentScreen System where the European Union provides a framework where Member States can really screen Foreign Investments and this will
temper chinas chinas eagerness to invest in strategic sectors so this. Really shows that we can play on the same equal level fields and if we play in this global position then we can Work Together with china and from a europes point of perspective shape the worlds in and grow Ball Trading System with fair rules and open trade i think what i call the namby pamby approach i mean you see you really cant be serious. Back it says china is not following global rules china is taking advantage of the weakness of current globalization and stepping in the didnt want to and of globalization i dont think theyre what do you about European Investment growth they are about it not even so much about the deck to create this are trying to export the are we out of economic trouble you do the domestic chinese you are trying to export to different parts of the world what do the angels do so i think you have
a story you want to say something. I do believe that the chinese got. Your right to seventy china has a lot of things to improve certain. I think with the government of the Chinese People especially deprive a company if they go out to two European Countries they do try to play with the game with the rules of the w t o the majority i would say so the second point i want to make is please respect respect the suffering decision power of the European Countries and the Companies People doing business with china we cannot afford to underestimate the conscious decision made by different European Countries. By small eastern European CountriesZubrin Decision you dont mind that ok but you theres no reason for you to criticize him
for them to cooperate with china because it took a little bit too man and do you tell in government they do have the interest and they do exactly know what to do they are doing and they did do to the chinese under our plane after the global in italy rule of law so i believe we have to separate our own appear limb and it is a reality happened in the reality which was i want to add something to that i wanted that some of the problems youre just discussing of who made if you can unit you are carrying out for decades already know it is a story to policy cutting down on and saving etc so then the countries have no chance to invest and to find money for for the development of their own economies so and then i would not fear that investment are coming from china or from india or from the United States or somewhere else also our only sources and that not only be private. Private capital it must be also the states who are obliged to
develop their own economies and here is saying we have. To change the agenda so. If you really want to deal with the social and and environmental challenges we have to invest together and i would stop thinking and one against the other novi have a common obligation and here i think really that we should develop a new strategy in a global understanding and and to interfere into the way of how the economic systems and structures are functioning so we talked a lot about how europeans feel about Chinese Investment about the chinese role in the European Union because we have the e. U. Elections just around the corner i would like to know from professor good to people in your country know it all that there are you will actions absolutely maybe even then what are their expectations. Different a trillion Dollar European question has been your question in chinese the discourse
political and economy just because because of the two reasons the first one is as you just mentioned your pin you were one of the big sister Single Market the chinese. Social life jobs. Somehow depend on the. Economy the situation youve been contrary and the point is much more important because the majority of the chinese think tanks and bradley did believe. We need a stronger zero plus a poor win steber a European Union. Harrop as us have the other party that for example was a wash and towards washington so they do believe we have to do every scene to keep their religion to remain country. Stable so do i have do have you twist to see how do your opinion Parliament Work you spewed a lot of people are very worried about breakfast because they believe if to you or
to britain move out of you can you see who it is to be big or who was for german chancellor Angela Merkel and to deal with It Dish Future Economy comparable cooperation and china will be the. Partner in terms of the fire to refer to remain in of a multinational song they do have an interest to look at the start of the european elections. Mr peter youve been on the continent a lot in asia. You have do you do you bring those two things together sometimes the elections this region that you know so much about youre so interested in well of course you see the asean countries they look carefully how the European Union is developing connectivity and to Work Together and so they dont understand sometimes and theyre disappointed that we destroy the European Union from itself
because their gains by working together are obvious and that is i feel so sorry and i also think when they look for example asean countries to china and the influence in the region it is again that there is no i wouldnt say hostility but still demanding from china please strengthen our rules based order like the conflict real severe conflict in the South China Sea where a. Conflict could develop then learning could how what is the european position but also referring to the courts decision actually that china should also accept the legal decision not to go for being a dominant topic obviously but just get back to that one point where do you feel you will actions really matter in the region and on what topic. Well i think if you
see in the building up of. The european elections all those parties will have a clear racist policy against migrants and foreignness not so much against asians if they would come also against asians this boris them because our in the center of the European Union is also that we are kind of value driven that a human being has its dignity and should not be violated if i look maybe this probably is an understanding of that in the euro. Union such extreme right wings can gain so much this is very worrisome. Even you talk about human rights and about protecting rights of people and the wiggers in china the Muslim Minority their people often. Applies double standards if they have an economic interest in a country suddenly human rights dont matter like for example in china. Sometimes its not often but in a country like me in ma where theres not much economic stake you suddenly jump on
a Human Rights Issue would you agree with that no i disagree and also i hear different voices from asia it depends if you listen to government voices or Civil Society and Human Rights Organizations which there are plenty of in that region i think the e. U. Is too soft when they talk rights with china for example last week we had a summit not magically not micro not more green is a thing in a critique and there are many Human Rights Violations and i think this is a critique we should be in union i think its not only because of if theres an. Economic interest. Because also in myanmar theres a lot of economic interest by the European Union to get this market but the size of the violations was. Huge person who i have i have good news for you because after the criticism we have from the towards china you will be able to take it back in
a second because as we can see china is a difficult topic also because of the Human Rights Situation we wont have complete agreement here but there is an alternative maybe in asia which is india india is a Big Democracy India to become the most populous country overtake china but you know what am i talking about lets just watch this movie. India the worlds biggest democracy and first destroying large economy the country is thriving and the edging of the Global Player ready for Global Challenges. The e. U. Is indias frustrating part but they both went deeper cooperation in she areas. Musicians were faced with the same Global Challenges. Such as china its Renewable Energy and security. Democratic india is jealous that politically to the e. U. In china they would see natural positives but the relationship hasnt taken off why. Its time for the Free Trade Agreement between the. European union to conditions are right and the only ones to conditions are right. The e. U. And india are both strong supporters of the global order based on multilateralism and shared values and it is now is promising but easier in the relations of the phone tapping their full potential Secret Ingredient is missing to help take this relationship to the next level. And that is a question im going to put to you and thats a good thing watch Secret Ingredient is missing to bring the real india into a level of partnership that would become in zero eight with their natural proclivity is what our democracy is not a honeymoon couple of the more india and your level but if youre in there and youre about to reorder middle aged couple we need to adapt ourselves to
a long life and we need to see how our grandchildren are going to inherit this therefore i think your group needs to pick up stop looking at small important but small single minded activities and look at the broad swath of a partnership with india for instance. Treat. Did nothing without investment did nothing but you have you have held up the india you bilateral Trade Agreement for years on frankly in an italian marines i mean there will not be countries who do so we need a much bigger approach. Also that there should be some new spocks how about an Educational Partnership how about a scientific and Technological Partnership how about a partnership where we bring change to the world and gives people the common values that we must look at beyond security and treat sound sensible with the packers and
i have a different approach because i think where the partnership really holds is a lack of ambition on indias right we already negotiating about the Free Trade Agreements with india for almost more than ten years and its india who fails to deliver commitments to open its markets to show commitments regarding Sustainable Development and labor policies this is not from europe sides we want to invest we want to go there but now you see them go back into theres a new flagship from india the made in India Program and i think that if we would. Be able to attract European Investments into india that would be a benefit for beneficiary for both sides investment for europe could bring economic Engine Growth could be job creation in india so this would actually be in this program of Made In India but a lot of Ambitious Mission is not from europe but in india that much will think you has come up with a new strategy for india do you share. That view is that. His
position is also understands the ambassador because i think there is a truce in both positions so of course india is a must be also is a chance for india to get a development on its own if youre looking for food and Food Guaranteeing for everybody in such a continent as india and of course they have the right to look. In the National Approach to do this all of the other hand i would say we have to look into the developing the mighty little Trading System instead of only looking into Bilateral Agreements with china we are just negotiating already also for six years Investment Protection agreement which is a huge agreement and we have here we should include a trait of Sustainable Development shop that must be also realized in such a Free Trade Agreement with india but that means we have to understand what are the
routes what are the standards for that and this we have to develop within the beauty of the system because the w. T. Who is changing its safe its nature today and in the twenty First Century and the second or third decade already so we have Climate Social issues human rights political stability to be also a benchmark for shaping this tweet because traitors today about production and consumption but already there is trouble as you mention better with some alcoholic beverages i believe it was also risky because of because of the United Kingdom that. If you have some concrete requests that you would like to form a way towards india whats that well as i see it i think india has very good structures and laws on Human Rights Constitution and so on the biggest problem is in the implementation in the huge disparity between rich and many many very poor and how
to overcome this and i think when ever your Opinion Union is planning and going further to do a Free Trade Agreement they have to do is human rights Impact Assessment first because i remember when i think it was also when he traveled to india actually he traveled to china and stopped and he made a public Press Conference and said over to Free Trade Agreement now all the initiatives dealing with for example the right to health they looked into what would this mean if European Companies produce expensive Pharmaceutical Medicine on each week in india then the market for those Indian Companies who produce it cheaper is lost and then what about the poor people so all these issues i think i would have nothing with do you feel more comfortable with india as a Trading Partner of the you than with china when that is the question i cannot answer because i think its a wrong question because i think look if what is best for the people in the
respective countries or region and trade is not per se bad or good. I would say that in china the problem is that the government does not tolerate critique and is very strong and strict against minorities this week we will have. Lucian on the weaker situation again in india and both countries i have to say that enormous progress in Fighting Poverty which is the essential number one about the. In india it is more easier because the government seems a little bit more relaxed with the critique but the biggest problem is there in the implementation i think thats also the main issue which drives elections in fact you know the us been talking for a long time building closer relations with india a Strategic Partnership which they already have talked about turning common principles into common interests in fact let me just read out
a quote from this was. Back in Two Thousand And Seventeen im more convinced than ever that india and the e. U. Become. Beacons of democracy and tolerance must shape the worst together and in the new Policy Strategy Statement just come out of this talk about the e. U. Welcoming a multipolar professor go how do you feel about this concept of the multipolar because the other has no rival for india in the region in asia and china would do her. Structural construction in terms of security. Development. India china japan and another country do they are very you know civil and independent so European Countries are talking about Structure Partnership the question is what
i think for European Countries maybe the idea is to create a new venue a community against the possible return. Correlation between russia and china maybe this is going to going to strive to be a partnership to india to move to reform the country move in direction of. Me so i have definite. Expectation of a brush of. Friends who are. Seems to be true to quick. Dont forget india has began the course of the reform twenty years later in china about ninety at the beginning of ninety that means there is a lot of a bureaucratic. Almost. To be removed and there is the water wheel
while the implication while the implementation has gone very very slow so you know really i do believe you can petition of european country as a totally postmodern country towards india and china correct to rise there by they do tend. Of patients you know we need more time we need more time in european given for china but also for india so there is a gap between the two levers of development where african do you believe that the exit could be that. Would work in favor of you having to the times within certainly not because the u. K. Was always a big partner and that was always in favor of free markets open markets and this is a partner we might lose so this will have a big impact as the European Union we need to be way more assertive towards these Trading Partners but something that is often left out of this debate is that
a strong global position actually starts which are all which our own internal the size of an s. And if we sit across the table with Trading Partners and they see that we in europe we have huge internal debts that we have a very weak Immigration Policy that we always hesitate to face or terror threats we need to show the world that we can face or own challenges we need to show that we can handle our own tracks and this is how we can be a Strong Partner on a global level and also again with more respect. Maybe with a little heavier a little addition here because what you just mentioned of course is important how does india feel about lets say the threat of more. More and more right wing populus coming into the European Parliament with the Upcoming Elections does that play a role. I think you must pardon me on that indias believe this on election and the same day by the way twenty third say you have to start right now i dont think we are to thinking too much of other peoples elections but all elections are
important because you get an articulation off the human mind and more free the human mind the better the articulation so yes the results of the european lection vill help us to form what he calls ambition to words the European Union but dont expect india to give all the gains of the w. T. You are slow movement into the Climate Change support into becoming support of the globalization at the threshold of an agreement with the European Union were just not going to do it we need your help to protect those gains not use them now i think he made them back it makes an interesting point i think india and europe need to Work Together on Security Cooperation in dealing with nontraditional threats the of direct and piracy we need to do more on terrorism we need to do it on illegal migration we need to do it on drugs and we need to do it on Cyber Security and on
money laundering these are the real treat your borders dont matter here we just need european understanding and on the Ground Operation i think this year i have seen much more positive European Reaction of the many members in the Security Council that we mentioned in support of these wage youre talking about security ahead mitchell shows a little new strategy from the u. They want to have close the defense ties with india this talk about joint military exercises this talk about having a Military Envoy in india and vice versa do you think europe needs to be a little more assertive in terms of how security. No i fully disagree with this position because this is just misleading so if youre put in a bubble she said that we should judge also the Human Rights Situation from the perspective of citizens and not only from the functioning of the state of the
system and i think if youre speaking about Security Issues that we have to first of all to deal with the social equal chances for everybody in our society because that the fear of going into poverty which is one of the stimulus for the right populist parties here in the you can unions. Can only be tackled if we are developing our economies or societies opening the chances for everybody also for women which is alone and taking care of both her child or the man who is doing the same issue so i mean this is a problem and you will be seeing you have to organize a cooperation between india and you can you win it between china and your opinion or taking other countries of the asian continent for the Free Trade Agreement with japan we agreed to include the quiet progress of Data Protection regulations and
laws of the union as a benchmark also for the buy a little cooperation in the three suspects and i think this could be also an example for the cooperation of china if youre dealing with Investment Agreements weve had some fascinating insights to love would not be want to have maxim fun and games yes i hope its fun for everybody so you only get to answer with one word for the following i think we have two questions the first one is what are you looking for in the outcome of the e. U. Elections which part of the e. U. Elections are you really looking at the best support to globalization. Respect the rule of law. Democratization reinforcement of much in a really small safety and competitiveness ok how much will the minister grow because he was the only one who gave what one would have a second question to you finish the sentence europe and asia. In Global Cooperation. I need a child or two or a different a complicated heater a commie a future time and these two ever equal living playing field. Need to support
each other how good had a hand in hand thank you very much as fascinating it was great to have all the few on this is why draining discussion about election then why they should matter to asia thank you very much and dont want to feel whenever you might be listening to max still fun and me thank you very much for a company thats going to have you with us and of course stick around in the next months or weeks actually because like i said in the beginning the new world elections are just around the corner and we hope to see you there on t. W. When we cover this important event for the European Union. For. A. Distant fourth six. Point four six. Case and i get to buy it when theres a flood water comes up to our waist by going faster every. A lack of water is equally dangerous. People move south so they can