A situation where europe and the United States are talking at the moment about europe can influence his course of Action Offering support but not at any cost under very Firm Conditions and that is we need an Economic Aid Program run by the International Monetary fund we need to stop his blackmailing of partners which he did over recent years just putting german or american citizens into jail and only offering to reason under certain conditions that is blackmailing a nato partner and he is also very unreliable as a nato partner he for example germany had one of their troops in talkie to to to help turkey to be in a safe situation with the war next door in syria and even didnt admit German Parliamentarians to visit german soldiers and so we had to change that and pull our troops out so theres
a bridge across the bosphorus all financed with easy money most of it going to firms which in our in his orbit of the orbit of his family and that has ruined ruined the economy the problem is do the turks realise that its his fault or is it succeeding in in peddling the notion that its actually the fault of the especially The Americans with the sanctions and the west and so on who are anti turkish and so on so thats something we need to counter. Well as all of us just mentioned president one has accused the United States of launching a what he has called an attempt at economic two against turkey lets get a feel for what the president himself and some of his turkish compatriots have been say. So there is no difference between the attacks on our economy and the attacks on our religion and our nation the goal is the same and that is to bring turkey and its people to their knees and hold them hostage. Yupp them doesnt let the
be good and that has a lot to do with his power in the media. Allowing his words to be the only word out there and the other people who have not voted for him basically know whats really happening and so the society the public is also very much divided and unfortunately there are still people who believe in these empty words and its also as an empty words you say theyre certainly drastic words i actually wrote them down again what he said at the beginning of that report the goal is to bring turkey and its people to their knees and to hold them hostage to see addressing with that kind of seemingly paranoid language well hes always trying to demonize the west hes always trying to find new enemies to to make people believe that turkey is on its own and it can only survive on its own and everybody else out there is bad weve experienced this with his his language towards germany with experiences with his communication with the u. S. And with other countries as well in holland so this is his way of trying to. Show
this like us versus them kind of language you were nodding. Agree and this is the this is the problem its its obvious that the american sanctions dont help its given him a handle to shove the blame off to a United States president who is not respected anywhere in the world and you know whereas in fact the u. S. Sanctions have only a very little bit to do with the whole question which is homegrown the present crisis and precisely because of this narrative we were on our own that the that europe especially should of dangle present in front of him and say look were willing to help you out of this crisis if you do the economic right thing. Because and another thing we ought to do or indoor chmela documented definitely needs to. It is turkish t. V. Program up and running and to really create an alternative source of information in turkey the way Radio Free Europe and other did during the cold war towards the east this is so important that the turks have nor turnitin narrative of what actually people in the west feel about while we are offering this economic help which we should. Be waiting for the government to do this and we should all know its not its not happening. Its not happening i think it should happen. Turkeys government violates human rights tookie has arrested german citizens the. Court as we heard has prevented German Parliamentarians from visiting troops in the field serving for nato in turkey and youll saying there should be a softly softly approach and lots further sanctions on turkey as i understand it. Yes firstly the softly softly of approach seems to of work for instance with my
colleague dennis eugen who is imprisoned on trumped up charges no pun intended accused of spying simply for doing his job and there are hundreds of others still in prison who dont have a German Parliament passport as dennis did and and and. You know i mean its horrible but i still think. That we have to somehow at the same time its helping them economic helping turkey economically which important country mustnt break down and theres another reason for this when a country goes into economic downturns fire like inventors we had a revolution doesnt happen thats when people are so busy scrambling for bread in a time to think about politics and changing regime its when people of more or less ok that they think about politics and and so we have no vested interest in seeing turkey going down the sink you know but i would rather are not soft soft now is the
time for pressure and for our influence to achieve corrections in the course of president hes trying to blackmail us all the time he just when he needs our help now he is offering no he released a german talking journalist just a few days ago to make nice weather and nice feelings but he didnt change course and time is not on his site so the first country which would be interested that turkey doesnt goes down the drain is talking and the first leader who should be interested should be president yes we can help him but under a very Firm Conditions and this is the moment where we can finally influence wrong talkers behavior and try to get him to correct his course and that is his financial course is konami course and how he deals with allies he is an unreliable ally and you cant be a free rider in nato just using nato when it needs when you need it and not paying
attention to the interests of you are closest allies like United States and germany when you think you have other interests and russia or china is not a serious turn a turf for. For the long range of. Policy where they want to find their place in the world. The question is a before we talk about the conditionality in the terms they would have to be struck for germany helping turkey lets just address the question of what would happen if turkey and germany and europe do turn an blind eye to this time of crisis if they look the other way and say we cant support a country thats no longer committed to democracy what would happen heres a take on that question. The e. U. Is turkeys largest Trading Partner by far and the biggest investor as well so a recession in turkey would be bad news for many european businesses. European banks especially those in france italy and spain would be hit hard if tech
businesses couldnt pay back loans denominated in euros dollars. Fer the economic trouble in taki could also have serious political consequences some experts predict a new say in refugees and warn that domestic extremist groups could try to take advantage of the economic and political turmoil. That the president added one keeps blaming the west for his problems hes threatened to turn toward authoritarian states like china and russia turkey might even decide to leave nato. What does the economic and political instability and have he mean for the rest of the wild. How dangerous is an unstable turkey i think its very dangerous i agree the first to lose would be turkey thats true but maybe the second to lose would be europe its very close we have to think geographically. There are three point five million
syrian refugees in Turkey Turkish government as more than that around four million. There is a huge refugee deal that has been struck and it seems to be functioning what would happen if turkey were really to go down where are all these people going to go what about the turkish citizens look at venezuela. Of course turkey has not at that point but just thinking of the worst Case Scenario what is going to happen to all those people are they going to stay are they going to look for Better Options so i feel its very very dangerous for turkey and for for the European Union for turkey to be left alone at a time like this. The Refugee Issue is a very grave and serious issue here what about the status of turkey in nato could turkey eventually withdraw from nato how serious is that threat i dont think that the threat is really big of course theres
a certain risk and we dont want to push them in that direction but if turkey has its census together they Wouldnt Leave nato because of their own Rational National interest and so the question is now how do we balance turkish interests and our interests and im rather im not for soft conditions im also not somebody is saying just we dont have to we can turn a blind eye on it doesnt matter of us or of course it matters but we should be aware of our own influence and how important we are for them and i have rather the feeling that we are much more important to other one and the well being of turkey than turkey is dependent and then we depend on turkeys well being of course we depend on it but we have the better karts and that should be the condition for a fair deal that we are aware of our possibilities and our influence and how much
do one needs europe and the west to modernize turkey to stabilize turkey and to get sea economy going again and then these are the conditions for a fair deal and turkey should be interested in it we should be interested in it but we shouldnt make too cheap the of from our actually a good time to to help turkey to get back on the Democracy Trappy ya first on the economic stability track and then of course. Democracy how it works in germany and france i dont think its realistic to expect that this is the way turkish democracy will look like a bad one in the next years i mean he just its a country hes. Hes hes almost an autocratic leader said. Its no longer going to be honest not all this talk of Pious Conditionality is not going to be listening hes going to be looking the other way no no he is listening and you mentioned the deal about the refugees this thing is working so if we if we strike
a deal under the right terms hes willing to to respect the deal that is that is my lesson i draw from the migrant deal with turkey. This is i had to say because its a prickly german web working at things that somehow people states and leaders of states are rational actors theyre not look at putin look at trump. Look at some of the things our own leadership has done look at greece i mean you know. Look look at venezuela look at mr maduro. Rationality does not impinge on politics especially not on autocrats therefore if turkey goes down the drain just turkey the this is will not mean the end of mr other way and just give him an opportunity to ramp up his his autocratic way of dealing with society that everyone i mean its. People in times of stress people to dictators when they feel a little better they think about democracy thats the way things go and this idea that were all rational actors is just not borne out by reality so the point is now we are interested that Turkey Doesnt Go Down The Drain economically thats a prime interest because if it does go down the drain economic Everything Else goes down the drain now if we help them will that Help Democracy we dont know. We dont know but we should make that a conditionality if because they wont accept to they would accept it every every hour every i Wouldnt Make Democracy Point Part of the conditionality but i think leaders are behaving rationally its just a question what you call rational and irrational of course the facts are known i dont know of course the interest of mr. Is to get a deal este cheap as possible and our interest is to get a deal which is not cheap but which meets most of our conditions so theres this
and he is innocent and finally talking like this a trump about deals in time time is not on mr other one site and that is our possibility our option now to influence its been in office since Two Thousand And Three it doesnt look as though its going to be walking away from the presidency anytime soon yeah but he has changed a lot i mean at the beginning when when i do our first came to power we had still very much the thinking of a military regimes we had in turkey before and he used it at times European Union and that was our common interest to liberalize the Talker Society because it was his way to get also more the litter of freedom which was a no go under the military rulers before at that time we had to come an interest and now his interest has changed now he himself is the dominating factor he himself is the autocratic factor in the political spectrum and here we are dont have the common interests here we tried to correct his course and that was the moment to do
that but at that time with the European Union do they they they said ok we dont want turkish membership well give them a privileged ship so this again drew turkey back and now at this point i think its really really important that turkey doesnt feel itself left alone again as a so much mistrust between the two sides the. America who always made it clear that she opposes turkey. Traits of the e. U. Which was always viewed as an insult and at the same time. President are ones ranting and raving about german german nazi procedures and attitudes which you do has done on a many occasions has been perceived as insulting as well and how is it possible to see Angela Merkel and president one sitting down trump style and striking a deal. Its very difficult. But it is i think believe both leaders should should really sit down and look for a reasonable solution we would we expect them to be reasonable this is what its
not always the case as weve seen it im very optimistic thats exactly what what they will do its not going to happen over the next case but i expect to see this russian no deal and compromise over the next weeks and maybe two three months because the house is on fire and when the house is on fire you dont have the luxury to discuss things just call the firefighters in this time its as if a natural firefighters that is the International Monetary fund as help from the European Union and one has to meet certain conditions set us all what im saying im expecting that that is going to happen i still believe in this kind of rationality of course he has to sell it on mystically and he will sell it. There are thorax how he sell it will sound very different than how we will sell it to our audience but thats normal in International Politics is that. I mean i hope youre right ok i hope youre right but look. Argentina was in a similar situation
a couple of months back and they called in the i. M. F. The firefighters as you say and they have back on course with i am and directives but who is being called by mr out on his call in qatar qatar which is basically the arab agent of iran and they are going to lend him billions of billions of dollars and i fear you know if we dont make an alternative off and say look dont take the money from qatar if the conditions are going to be awful youre going to lose everything you say take our money we also impose conditions you know its not nice to you but at least were back on the right side of history thats what we should be doing thats what im saying is that of sort of keeping off as if it was nothing to do with us very of the same side except it was the alternative up not to trip rather a little bit more come to the seder i think a lot of our viewers will be listening and thinking of asking themselves the question whether there is a sense that germany has a special responsibility for turkey and its population of eighty Million People
given that there is such a subset a large Turkish Community in germany which many very many people are aware of what would your take be on that question of course there is this extreme historic tie there are all these people with turkish originally living here about three Million People so of course its a very very important partner turkey and theyre very important part so this is a window of opportunity where that where there could be a reset on Turkish German relations. He hopefully hopefully thats what im what im hoping for if if if president are to one doesnt make interesting statements as he did in the in the previous two years it would be it would be an opening for for turkey and germany to get closer again. Let it be known she hasnt actually come out and spoken exposed explicitly on what you know all that weve been talking about but she has let it be known that she herself does not favor Financial Aid from germany to turkey at this point in time is she getting it right or is she
getting it wrong. Well first theres theres a coming summit and turkey on syria theyre going to be meeting there and then present on is going to be coming here before that the Finance Ministers are going to be again meeting and berlin so i think this is a process thats going to kind of allow the leaders to see and talk Behind Closed Doors and im a little bit look at how they can manage a deal probably still force merkel doesnt want to give an open check to to add on that would be a long wrong thing to do definitely. Getting it right or getting it wrong i want. To get our pride. Shes getting a bright because this is not about a Bilateral Agreement its the deal with the United States with the i. M. F. With europe ok thank you all for that thanks very much indeed for joining me today a crisis in turkey show that europe proper fed one thats been our debate. We could. Come back next week but our. Im going. To stand once more in front of the yellow house. To visit her fathers grave one small. Field of Window Missteps to go. After twenty five years in germany many times namely turns to how the country kazakhstan. Mining back to a distant land. On d w. Or more or. Where the real challenge resides. I come from there are lots of people in fact moving the field in the future but not just democracy thats one reason why im passionate about people and the aspirations and make and sends. A mission to. It is Fried Chicken but after the fall of the sun in the morning i remember thinking at the time feast of barley in logan what anything can happen if people come together and unite for the call. But i do the news i often confront difficult situations for conflicts between disaster i see despotic my job to confront Floods Ejaz On Policies and development put the spotlight on issues that matter most to Security Pressure much like. A lot has been achieved but so much more
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