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system that ought to get a little concerned it's wonderful it's come to be the good thing there may be a limit but we haven't reached it yet and i think this issue has been blown out of proportion because we did cope with a huge wave of immigrants in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen who want and don't forget that many of these people are war refugees won't be no longer taking more refugees. of course we should. and it's been said that everyone arriving in germany comes only to claim our benefits that's a complete misrepresentation and we've always contested distortion of fact that we were given the right wing populist a.f.d. is the strongest opposition party in the german bundestag they are vehemently opposed to a refugee policy does that make them a non-christian party. not rejecting the refugee policy percent that could be acceptable but the way the a.f.p. rejects immigration is largely unchristian putting all refugees under suspicion treating them as if they were all the same and promoting a nationalism by which you're only german if you've been living here for generations that is diametrically opposed to what we understand as christians and we reject this absolutely. then you people share your views yet the a.f.p. is increasingly popular do you have an explanation for that. seems to be the big question with populist movements in europe in general is i think different people are voting for the people who feel abandoned by society or who feel that they and their problems are not being seen. if we look at low paid workers not people on welfare but low earners they sometimes feel excluded from what they see as high brow discussion us. going on but there are many different reasons why these right wing populist parties are appealing wonderful criticism of the f.t. is that the party is exploiting and instrumental izing those reasons in a shameless manner. or want. to see anyone saying this is not the kind of party we vote for this is not what we want so do i understand you correctly is this a call to boycott the f.t. in the elections after. i gave that interview after their party chairman of the god wrote that piece in the front quote argument a newspaper in which he deliberately used national socialist phrases and also their times of argumentation when he says the a if he is the thorn in the side of a system which has to be vanquished he's crossing the boundary of democracy in my opinion this should trigger the strongest resistance for what. you say the party is on electable and trying to ostracize them which may well be your personal position doesn't this exclusion strengthen those who already feel that nobody listens to them. this could be very good if their problems are not heard but i think we can talk about the problems that make people vote for a party like the f.t. it's not possible to talk about the problems however if they are exploited if ignorance is being disseminated if reports are being made up if stories are invented to incite others. through what however to me seems worse than the pure fixation on the refugee issue is that they're turning problems into religious issues. the islamophobia in his party. let's stay on the topic of immigration and refugees because the criticism is not only from the f.t. but also from the christian social union in the area which demands a strict immigration limit is that type of criticism permissible. yes but there are large parts of that debate i've never understood. speak about an upper limit of two hundred thousand but we haven't reached that yet and with real asylum seekers who genuinely need asylum because they're from a war zone the german constitution will never allow an upper limit so i've always found this discussion about a fictional upper limit puzzling. let's move on to another discussion another key issue concerning the catholic church the child abuse scandal we have heard of priests in australia the us island in chile and now also in germany sexually abusing thousands of victims and because the catholic church in germany covered up or ignored this scandal for decades pushed shrieking for trying. you think enough. i think that after the scandal came to light in twenty ten. church dealt with the issue strictly intensive manner go on this is just been made public the church commissioned an investigation into the matter. why didn't they get the state to investigate the matter come on even want to the state can only investigate using its public prosecutor's if it has an initial suspicion. the process is quite different. and for the forgive me forget the i think that the public prosecutor will now investigate cases for which the statute of limitations does not apply and the church is tackling the issue of preventative measures are being taken today in most dioceses unfortunately not in all of them it's a very serious problem for our church and will make sure that there will be consequences which will lead to change and that investigations will continue unabated. vacantly at how valuable these investigations investigators were commissioned by the church not all of the diocese disclose their files which leaves the question of whether the problem is being properly assessed because that would be tied. down to the i think the figures in the investigation are shocking enough. if we have to be clear that not everyone has been checked on many people only male clergymen deacons and other staff have been investigated no female staff or lay staff have been. because i think they were clear as human have done here which is particularly reprehensible beyond the question of what could be an incentive to really address this staggering issue of child abuse were the ones who transferred the priests suspected of abuse to other parishes as happened abroad in the us action. this would a community that would require clear criminal proceedings because of course you know there are things in these files that have not been proven if you hear none of the above and i'd like to remind people that there was an accusation against the late bishop of his design. which turned out to be false because the officially one has to be very careful. there is protection for the victims and i sometimes wonder whether it wouldn't be more important to help the victims how can we support them from the how can we talk about what happened to them. but you know we can take preventive measures so that it doesn't reoccur we can observe and i think this is much more important to the public wants to see heads roll with card they want to see a person dragged out in public they want to point the finger and say it was him that's not the way to solve the issue. but mr stanbury with all due respect nobody from the church has yet said i am personally to blame i not only take responsibility for my actions but i resign from my position but what is there to gain from that if that happens if there were such a person and i have the impression that the media personalize this problem so that if we find the guilty party the problem is solved this is of course wrong what about the victims this is exactly what they demanding that someone takes responsibility yeah yes these are the stuff as i say there has to be a criminal investigation but i'm opposed to show trials or a public pillaring of the perpetrator. that's good month and i have to seeing the guilty party and putting them on show publicly condemning and punishing that. that's not the solution to such a deep seated problem where a relationship of trust and difference of power has been abused in such a staggering and in comprehensible way from this paul. you mention preventative measures should celibacy be reconsidered experts who researched for you say this was one of the roots of the abuse. before so i know researchers say that the bigger issue was the way homosexuality is dealt with. almost actual men are not allowed in priesthood and. the suppression of sexuality is a much bigger issue for the course you know it seems absurd to me that living a single life would push someone to abuse children especially considering that in germany most child abuse occurs within the family. priests in the catholic church abuse children five times more than deacons who are allowed to marry and this is this correct if the celibacy rule were lifted priests would deal with sexuality differently i'm convinced of that i would but it wouldn't solve the problem doesn't and so i don't see what the church can do to prevent it in future to find should women be ordained in the catholic church because. we're certainly going to more feminine church in view of the. first and we need a wider mix on all levels of believers and priests but leaders in clergy of the four hundred percent and decide course includes women. not only on a local level but in the top positions of the church. and i think this is imperative. stand back we've reached the end of our interview and i'd like you to complete three sentences. for me being a catholic today means. you know that you're member of a church which is shrinking. but which is also becoming more pluralist. decisiveness the communities the church is pruning but i've not given up hope that it still attracts reflective people people who are seeking meaning in their life. if i didn't follow in my father's footsteps as a baker because well i did become a baker at first but at the age of sixteen i was told that with my leg problems it wouldn't be good for me to do a job read to stand so much so instead of retraining to join the post office of the railways i thought i'd do evening school that's almost fiercely if i trust in the strength of german civil society because but if you must talk of civil society is increasingly the place where democracy and humanity are upheld. democracy is the only form of government which can also topple the state as we've seen recently in a number of nations. but democracy is also the only form of government where the citizens 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