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Transcripts For DW DocFilm 20191109



the thing about the stars in the sky as you can gaze that them whether you're behind a wall or not. much i want to score my grandmother had a telescope we don't often get saturn or jupiter and it's moons it was so common it's about a type. you know i was born in january 1901 a year after the wall fell. and. it's incredible to think that my parents who seemed so ordinary to me grew up in a dictatorship a place where tanks would sometimes roll through the streets that are just awesome points and. discover if you can model that used to be a law i knew that it had been built and that my mother and my grandparents were trapped behind it that was the reality i grew up with guns no mother beth. i. brother and sister fans and antonia head and and their grandfather he grew up here in bed and i watched asset which mounts the border between east and west germany he learned this an early age how cruel that border was his country over him and after my aunt affy it i remember you telling us that you once looked out of the window onto the cemetery and saw someone attempting to escape but we're back at ya das well yeah that's right. but that was long before the wall was built i was 1953 during the east german uprising. run through we saw a man crawling on all fours between the gravestones over there he was approaching the sure. grounds and our house was already quite close but we can see also that he was surrounded by armed guards and i was 13 it was a terrible thing to see he was a lost cause and there was nothing we could do we couldn't warn him we hid under the bed clothes pulled the blankets over our heads and then we heard the gunfire. but couldn't you have yelled from the window. and then what. he'd already been spotted. there was no point in warning him. if he had been a movie you'd have distracted the guards imitated birds or something. like that. your kid to plant lived in the eastern half of the city his home and the church where his father was pasto were demolished when the berlin wall was built then our shasta too was also demolished by the love of his life grew up she became a hugely popular politician in the pastry unification years. which was grandma's window this one those 2 on the left side of the left window the left one year of. it looked on the pavement so if she stuck her hand out of the window she always said her head was in the western or backside it was in the east her backside in the east you know her backside i'm quoting her you have to hear us and you'd knock on the window yeah yeah i'd knock on the window on my way to choir practice. because of that it's funny to think that was right here the floor was probably here and this is where grandma would show her bed around her desk right here you know you. are again and you know it's kind when married for 35 years and. till her deaths in 2001961 the balun wool was built literally on the doorstep composed of 2 straws about a lost cause i went out the door on to burn our strasser to buy a newspaper in the us. and i saw that barbed wire had been laid out on the east side of the street when for the stuff and there were police armed with machine guns . it didn't mean much to the rest of the world but it meant everything to a married couple who lived on one side and wanted to have breakfast with their parents on the other side 1st avoid grandparents who lived in the west and wanted to take their grandchild for a walk and home builder and park and all the sudden you can go from one street to another from one side to the other with. the wool divided and germany for 28 years. the wall is now in memory the city one again. studies humanities and works part time in the planetarium antonius studies physics they live just a stone's throw from the war memorial site and from where their grandparents once lived. i know where it's vices i know it's where my grandparents lived and nowadays you see tourists milling around here all the time and i love it but of course it's also just where france lives and where i go to celebrate new year's or watch a football match or whatever but i will agree that in history sounds a bit over the top but it's everywhere when you go out partying you cross back and forth any number of times without thinking anything of it. would no doubt have enjoyed that her grandchildren live so need to when she grew up she joined the social democratic party in 1909 gaining a reputation for plain speaking the successful reunification of the 2 geminis was always one of her key concerns this is exactly that's why i say we need to participate in whatever way we can get involved you vote for for i was aware from the outset that the moment she entered politics greg you know would never let go and politics would never let her go she gave it her all. and not just for self for the people she'd suddenly been granted responsibility for her it's an unfortunate sign. of the book i would have loved to have spent a few days with her as the person i am now discussing ideas with my growing. 30 years after the fall of the berlin wall antonia in france feel that differences between east and west in germany still linger i'm not sure if germany has growing together or apart. with sending them on a journey across eastern germany to find out visiting places where people are venting their dissatisfaction and disappointment. come on let's have a song. to . just. cut. first. all right. no network. there's not exactly reliable internet around here but. much of the former east germany is struggling in the communist era the country was rundown and on the verge of bankruptcy since 1909 nearly 25 percent of the population has moved away. wow. there's little industry left here. antonia and funds are critical of coal mining like many young people today they're worried about the environment but in eastern germany coal is still important like knights or brown coal mining is a major employer and an integrity part of the region's identity zuko but slough has spent her entire working life in a coal mine i say is that i'm about to start up the excavator 1st i'll give a warning and then i'll set the excavator in motion. i can dig all that up you see the cable is connected to the mast and the mast lifts the arm it's perfectly safe which is wobbles if it is all right i'll sit down. wow. is it could but slough has been operating an excavator for 35 years shifting up to 3 and a half 1000 tonnes of lignite per hour but germany is aiming to shut down all of its coal fired power plants by 2038 reunification hit this part of eastern germany hard now it's facing yet another copy for. action. but or is it a dish but how do you feel knowing that it won't be long before these coal mines are closed down. the plane. is too much so off it's a very emotional issue for us when. we feel we're being vilified. we're made out to be the bad guys we're destroying the environment and we're responsible for climate change the fact that it's my involvement in my opinion that's just rubbish. as the mining industry does a lot to protect the environment but nobody talks about that of course coal mining has an environmental impact but the industry makes up for it in the total look again like cancer but can't you understand people's concerns why they're making these demands. of course they don't think miners are terrible people they think they're perfectly normal nice people who are doing their job as best they can but they want to protect the environment and bring about change. i've got nothing against environmental protection but not in this radical well. 8000 people work in the lignite strip mines here the cull industry is by far the biggest employer in the region wide scale unemployment is a looming physica puts off it brings back painful memories of what happened after $989.00 after reunification. it's a very difficult subject for me i've had to say goodbye to friends to colleagues who are also friends it's a very emotional thing you've lost your job i've kept mine it's hard for both sides . this is fair but it is in place and so were you just lucky. your job safe because it's killed. no one's job was safe one. you must have been afraid to of course. how much transformation can reach and withstand. a few kilometers from the mine moped enthusiastic have gathered in the village of tower this is where the simpson s 51 and the mopeds were manufactured back him up was then communist east germany. which ones yours. when they were younger france and antonia also wrote my pads like these. you have to cling to the noise the smell it's all still there 30 years after the fall of the wall mopeds is still really big thing here again it's young kids today like my sergeant 14 and 15 year olds and think tank you're with them all the time it's great to talk about it and forced on postal service to come over so there you go it's a symbol of values the good old days great stuff the colors all. right let's take this one for a spin so you can sit on it while you push. by and you can i go follow the met is glad to see the village taking pride in its heritage but in recent decades many locals left to find work in the west the area has rebounded somewhat but when the last mines closed they could be another exodus of you know it but there's talk again about structural change once the older generation don't feel affected they think they don't have long left anyway above us mom to your room but what about the young generation. in this nation they'll move away if the regional. government and berlin don't manage to attract industry here. i say it's almost too late for that for my own bill to speak. hollow. dr i thought this was you. and tony and franz a visiting kath and kim. is a retired lawyer. yet how old were you when the wall fell to the math i was born in 47. so early forties projects and i was 36 when i started studying. for the wall fell yes and in 1900 i ended my studies which were under the east german system. a lot it was as if my entire world had collapsed. so then what oh i see you've been studying a completely different legal system and wow that's crazy how infuriating so you had just finished your studies and the wall fell so it had all been a waste of time a total waste of time every weekend a colleague and i went to home go to university in berlin to attend and listen ours on west german law those were hard times the amounts of hot everything it must have felt very unfair your wrong what do you think now i mean as a lawyer when you look back on what happened then. you know it was unfair a new system was basically imposed on us we had to relearn everything and not everybody was able to adjust. for anything it must have been really tough being in your mid forty's having built yourself a whole life and then having to start all over from scratch i can't imagine what that must have felt like if i just. didn't give up she went on to found a successful legal practice which funded through my spare time. i was really shocked to learn how few east germans there are in executive positions it's a good feeling for if you and i and yes sort of 121 heads of federal ministries only 3 of them are from the former east can now and it's like that across the board why is that do you think many people in the east lacked confidence and we were looked down on during reunification everything to do with the east was discarded. there are 16000000 east germans but few of them hold top positions across academia politics business media and you know. whether someone is from the still west germany is a question that still matters to antonia even though she was born after the fall of the wall so was her boyfriend nicholas. he grew up in western germany not far from the danish border. by the nazis when history happens on your doorstep a wall falls and 2 different systems collide then obviously it's something that's going to interest you. ok but it wasn't obvious that the 2 systems were that different industries because the same is of. the east germany was poor ok yeah but the simple fact that a wall was built to keep people in is a huge difference. sure but my impression is that in the west we realized that in the east people had fewer material things of the viewer products things like coffee bananas bluejeans and so on the kind of kind of kind of so they were disadvantaged in that time ago and so you knew that part and of course that you weren't allowed to travel or not to be just missed by a live report and you have western germans failed to grasp or see it meant to east germans to adapt to an entirely new system to switch from socialism and a planned economy to democracy and to free market economy all the rules had changed at work and in private knife to. antonina has given me a different perspective. they made me think about it all much more a lot but since this is back but when i'm with antonio's family i still notice how much they talk about it in the fall of the wall the east west issue. well it's enough in my family it's never mentioned we never or hardly ever discussed the east west question with for people in the west like my parents it didn't make much of an impact nothing much changed at the end of that. one half of gemini little changed. to the other half the world's turned upside down on november the 9th 1989 when the whole family. was to know into november 9th and now in the us the 9th of november 989 was my son's 18th birthday. he came of age in communist east germany so we had thrown him his 1st big party balls of fire and then comment on wolf then we got a call from a friend. telling us how the border was open so i was like what do you want about it sure right it's open now it'll be open tomorrow and i didn't take it seriously but again it got wind of it there and then of course the party was over. in 958 of us piled into my little 5 seater our car and drove to borrow much trust no one on the bridge on the 4th of the crossing we heard was open to his eye. i. shared them and i can still remember the particular quality of the light and the stony expressions of the border police who had no idea what was going on either and we crossed over and there we were in west berlin it's the spring. as it landscape of the thing was deeply moving were drove back after midnight then again i wanted to go to the brandenburg gate. i. had to be funded as a teenager it seemed so exciting. you were trapped behind a wall you couldn't cross and then at some point you could run but when i saw the film footage i just thought it uncool they're wearing those crappy clothes those horrible bright colors as a teenager i just thought man who wears that sort of thing and they're hopping around on a wall if i think i have a typhoon but my maid twenties i found those clothes totally cool on the street someone you know if you compare. the work i i'm. pleased that. sunday morning frances helping his friend james band get ready to perform in the the park next to the former wall this famous for its weekly fee markets fell that they want to be there to snag a prime spot. but it's pretty crazy as musicians that you're trying to able to do this like put on like a proper show in the streets. you know and even the police walks by and it's like yeah keep going you know that's awesome to tens of thousands of people descend on the park every sunday and readymade would he ends up and coming bands. would you. agree. everything i. would do because. i was dreaming this. what's now one of the most free spirited places in berlin was once a border the death strip when east german guards were under order to shoot to kill if they saw anyone trying to escape. this and then tony is younger sister said syria has just moved to berlin the siblings often come to the park together. but how would you describe it to someone who's never been here you see the history you may know them our part say you're describing it to friends from out of town what would you say. this but if. they could i'd say imagine this was once the death strip here was the wall and there was the wall and now we can just walk along it and dance and play music but we came up on monday you can see that that's the west over there you can see that the buildings on the one side are different from the buildings on the other and i tell them how wonderful it is that all these people gather here and party together that's what i'd say. almost 30 years it was a no man's land between east and west but. today the maui park is a major tourist attraction. each time and i love to dance in the park for me it's life is like everything i love the atmosphere of the place the music the people everything about it i really hope. you know you have a kind of. really open and no further no boundary kind of made and. if you want to do it you have very good care and if you want to be a hero for a feudal shoulda done that ok i like it very much it's freedom and that's very good as. actually. i. love to the wall was built in 1961 you're going to regain a whole different and made a conscious decision to stay in the east they were critical of the communist system but they believed in change from within. i think about we were walled in. we did feel like we were trapped for the but we did what we could to broaden our horizons and also to show our children that it's in our freedom that matters the most and that with that inner freedom you could do all sorts of things and achieve all sorts of things so much so given. that children that wasn't always easy to accept. the plant is france and antonius mother she finished high school just before the wall fell she'd always railed against the restrictions of life in east germany. does the food minister it's basically stimulus i found like it wasn't real life or that we were somehow frozen in time and the world beyond was turning without you that was the dominant feeling for me my i longed for openness discussion all i can say is i didn't find any of that there and that was what i heard for and that and you knew that there was this other world i imagined the west was something completely different we often went to the church of reconciliation and looked across the lawn i just think we could actually see this other world you could see the double decker buses and the people in the street living lives that somehow seemed more colorful more vibrant more full of life it sounds ridiculous but when i was 12 i stood in front of the mirror and swore to myself that i wouldn't stay that i would leave. and does it make. sure enough in august 1909 falcon head to atlanta fled to west germany via hungary and austria like tens of thousands of others that summer no one family included had the slightest suspicion that the wall would fold just 3 months later ish from either of those i didn't know when i would ever see my daughter again this is she wouldn't have been allowed back and we weren't allowed to go to the west and it was just awful for us better because it's what we never expected she'd be back for christmas the same year she was after you got by with talking. oh. god. but if. you. asked. for a copy of the book i knew how awful i. would. know how it would work ok different entire family live in a village outside ballin there's almost always a full house. and politics is a favorite topic at the dinner table the family is alarmed by the rise of the far right in eastern germany. i keep telling people go and vote otherwise nothing will ever change that and almost 25 percent of the people in the state of brandenburg support the right wing populist party the a.f.d.c. with their political activism they hit upon a keeping ragueneau spirit alive even today she's remembered fondly in eastern germany read widely. followed him for funny here i've just been so amazed in the last few days by how much people remember grandma. when you were traveling. yes she's like a superhero they really idolize her. to be honest i was almost shocked. with the excavator operator said that meeting i think you know hilda pants grandchildren was like hitting the jackpot. yeah there's a lot to live up to. nowadays many in eastern germany feel there's no one on the political stage who represents their interests as i asked most from our club this admission. for a start it wasn't a reunification team one system simply imposed itself on the other as i'm west germany didn't bother to even consider if there was anything in the east german system that could have been useful to fix the problem boosted cohesion they didn't think what aspects of east germany should we take a closer look at maybe keep they only cared about things that related directly to a market economy and if that was a mistake that's. how her head of land often spoke to her children about the fall of the wall about the joy every unification and the mistakes made in itself to mass . ratio would have maybe a 3 in just a downward. chop . keep going up there's the man in the moon. trance and then tony i go back on the red this time they're on their way to saxony the part of the country where the shift to the far right is mystic street they want to find out why. the. president is famous for its cultural landmarks but also as the cradle of the notorious pigmeat amazement which is nationalist anti islam and far right carol. i. think supporters regularly demonstrate against chancellor angle america's refugee policy against the idea of a multicultural germany for a few times and antonia their extreme politics right now and. thank you when the piggy demonstrations began in 2014 they struck and at their peak they drew 10000 people today any a small step in course still take to the streets every week antonia and funds a meeting to be honest both he's put on sunglasses as a journalist he's anything but welcome here. you of how often have you been here. over 100 times i've really that's quite something. to get it was founded in october 24th team so this year marks its 5th anniversary was it really. there's a lot of dedication going into this system it's amazing how much time and energy is invested in something so pointless. it depends most people here don't think demonstrating is pointless. quite a few draw parallels with communist east germany they felt silenced then and claim to feel silenced today even though their unafraid to spread was a rough and overtly racist slogans before and after 7 i was at the demonstrations in 1009. and the mood now is similar you can't dismiss these people as nazis that's just rubbish there are thousands of people these grievances and they just want to express them bring with them then the given didn't says this is our way of telling the government that a lot is wrong with this country him off the streets closer personally i don't want to see islam take over germany if that's what you want fine but i don't and neither do most germans you know either it's only. in. back to the majority of people in dresden including to be as the boys don't sympathize with the piggy to support as he says they've crossed too many lines with that inflammatory and racist rhetoric on the street from a full on image to me these people are lost causes you can't get through to them it's also possible. that the very least that people who will accept the violence sloganeering in order to celebrate themselves as something better because that what judgement of us was on the us was a fortune was watching their secret day puts his deputy leader in a green. is he going to kick us out. there he can't how could he call it. he seen us there but he's pretending to ignore us. behaviors during his man of the people frankly. all that he has put those guys who are hanging around before him so us doesn't go there and there's a sure guys whatever they like circling sharks know exactly why the bush is the biggest supporters of a small but vocal minority but the fact remains the far right is gaining ground. it's good to but i think the there are right wing tendencies all over europe and there's donald trump in the us but here it's taken on a different dimensions it's not just about job losses and industry it's being shut down which is bad enough it's like the war in food it's the fact that there's been an entirely new society to adjust to daily life values of and who has. what i mean to say is there is no justification whatsoever for racism and marginalizing people that's completely totally wrong though. but i can understand people feel frustrated and left behind and that they struggle to identify with our society today just plain enough for. the far right f.t.'s seizing the moment in saxony attend to the state parliament in 2014 and is currently the state strongest party after the city. antonio a meeting a.f.d. politician events it's not a conversation any of them exactly relishes but look you know i assume you know that we don't sympathize with the. you don't have to we don't i think the f.t. is pretty creepy to be honest. about yet of the slogan on my election poster is there must be limits to immigration. and you can start from the f.d.a. was founded in 2013 which is when the 1st wave of asylum seekers arrived in germany and there was no firm political intervention you could not think. and you think most of them risked their lives and get in these rubber boats just to economic reasons to call the majority yes that's my opinion. but used to being racist i don't know why but i can't explain it. you have no clue what will be interesting to know why your party which you're active in is seen as racist it's an accusation meant to make us look bad. what about the terrible speeches denying history and the diatribes against homosexuals. the other half of it's a question of how the media instrumentalists is these issues in germany. people are labeled far right very quickly because of what it is that i get and if i don't know it's certainly true that given our history we germans have a particular duty when it comes to the expression a far right opinions that goes without saying habitation. i am going to. transcendental spend an hour talking to and play vent but they find little common ground. it's just very obvious to me that the democracy we live in can't be taken for granted and i'm very aware that it's not an especially good shape right now. i. it's monday evening and france and his housemates are having a policy. just a stone's throw from where their grandmother once lived from where the but once stood from the former front line of the cold war the grandchildren a celebrating with friends from around the world and it so much a a miracle. dear friends dear antonia celia i'm sitting on the terrace at twilight it's peaceful your mind and my 3 grandchildren sleep untroubled in front of me are photo albums that date back to when i was younger than you are now how times have changed it at least in 1943 when i was 2 the same age is to serious now it was wartime we were evacuated from central berlin our home to the country shortly thereafter our home was bombs we lost almost everything we own and. at antonia's age i had experienced evacuation the end of the war back in berlin i lived in makeshift lodgings with a toilet in the stairwell i started over from nothing. when i was 8 france's age germany was split into 2 and remain divided for decades. when your mother was born in 1969 the wall was already 8 years old. you my grandchildren were born after the wall fell born in a unified germany a wonderful time a time of great joy. now i'm going to get political. it would be nice if we could get better at making our towns and cities proper communities. where rich or the sick and the helping the young and the old the disadvantaged and the advantaged could live together and children would learn from early on how to get along together and how to take responsibility for our world i'm. going to furnish the darkness has fallen but still peaceful may have remained so for your sakes my dear grandchildren. pair. they. her. ok if you were that's enough for me me to. healing wounds in record time with passing the gas. it kills bacteria and it stimulates the close of healthy yourself. and it's healing effects be increased. german physicists and medics have come together to find out. tomorrow today 30 minutes on w. . he wanted to smash the berlin wall long before it finally found. a lazy also issued a new old stick you know linda byrd is actually better known as the legend of german rock music. let's find out all about his amazing mum mr. 60 minutes w. o. o o o . t w. this is state of the news live from berlin germany knocks the 30th anniversary of the full of the berlin wall. at the center of celebrations the landmark brandenburg gate and john installation carries the hopes and dreams of 30000 people worldwide written on culebra the 1st. but november 9th is also the date of about just dhaka in germany history the night before can gloss the nation wide life of attacks on jewish people and property not in 30 x. the.

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