Economy in ruins what business have they got continuing to govern. By want to welcome to conflict zone thank you tim thanks for having me have your new president saying that he was inaugurating a new democracy this is a man who in that the seven years has shown no inclination to promote democracy in any form whatsoever to suggest that hes going to change them. I think. Thats a very correct team to say that he didnt show any inclination to promote democracy what you are talking about is a man that has been a speaker of parliament who should even handedness in parliament for the template for the time he was one were talking here of a man that lost elections and was happy to accept the results therefrom were talking of a man whos been individually named and sanctioned by the e. U. First in two thousand and two when the European Council expressed serious concerns among about Human Rights Violations by the government of zimbabwe among two hundred seventy three other people absolutely collective responsibility and thats going to councils ban was extended in two thousand and four and two thousand and nine they accused him with them and then got work as a member of the government of engaging in activities that seriously moving democracy respect for human rights law seriously undermine democracy that doesnt sound good for the future thats the you know hes seen the last that which would have been applied to any zimbabwean in that term in were talking two hundred seventy three members of the establishment so youre basically saying that this moment army the whole of this moment military forces should because the top iraq war then well youre saying the bureaucrats are saying the general is that were there were undermining democracy you know how much does it make it already does it went along with this system did its best to extinguish democracy now here and of the narrative thats not correct whats what everybody else got it wrong well go around the us which also sanctioned him got it right everybody got what they work in tandem no you know so misunderstood. Thats correct the point im making is yes they were a Human Rights Violations thats thats goes without saying and yes were in National Building but yes weve taken responsibility was weak went and put in place a new constitution never said any responsibility because nobodys been brought to justice but because its not a cause because of the cause. Of course because of course to what we have a new at which is coming police of National Reconciliation where this all of these matters will be dealt with so we do all really yes National Recognition of healing yes i think also going to deal with the most serious allegations made against mr monk which came in a two thousand and two u. N. Report to the Security Council it called him the key strategist of an elite group involved in elicit Diamond Trading if you read that when i read the reports and that report is full of conjecture and innuendo eleanor facts was wherever they were simply calling him the benjamin if you read into an abysmal for an investigation what investigation then you enjoy these allegations what allegations that you were the beginning of all of the goldmans of the reports of the networks which he was a senior figure made money through what he called a variety of criminal activities including theft embezzle meant diversion of public funds and devaluation of goods smuggling false invoicing nonpayment of taxes kickbacks to Public Officials and bribery him if you had read that report is you want to pretend you did you would not have a presence. In the returns you did but that is my ballistic theres no specific theres no specific allegation what is simply says that when i was an assistant or tell he was the big man it was was the speaker of parliament was the better man for the government of zimbabwe government of zimbabwe thats what the thats what the report says but theres Nothing Specific the governor is going to investigate it is not even worth investigating he simply is above the law anyway so why if the if why but if they know if theyre in the congo or lost some damage or lost money to nangarhar or allegedly they should its for them to investigate whats theirs but would you visit its not his moment demos were talking about here is what its done so thats ok even if they came from the same democratic republic of congo with a fine and was in its eyes its not theyre not im saying its not our responsibility is to use money to investigate things that happened in the congo when its not as well as the man in the congo if there most anybody because the the oppositions on and on and on where they are when im out in. Well multiple operations the many governments organise many governments so let them investigate mr miller do you expect zimbabweans never mind the International Community simply to gloss over all this instead of seeking a detailed accounting of what took place or dont you care or dont you simply dont care or dont just say theyre out because the rose petals which are which mr man under way in the in the generals are being thrown i mean being fitted with have been fitted with rose petals right now they are heroes including the generals are talking about all were involved in all of this that youre talking about so it means muslims are happy with it with the situation the people that arent happy as you are really here were happy however it is i will let you know if we come on to that illuminate but lets talk about the Public Theater of the last ten days to talk about here mr mugabe wasnt pushed out in order to bring in democracy czars of p. F. Had been perfectly happy trashing democracy for thirty five years the thing that brought change was the terrible realisation that mr mugabe was going to bring his wife into the top job and that would have upset all the vested interests in your country people who counted on. Coming in to protect their interests and their secrets couldnt now couldnt risk of that now could you couldnt risk that not us of course what people cannot risk is somebody who they thought would to be unstable in who appeared in behaved in a stable way to take over the controls of power in zimbabwe it would establish it would have destabilized the whole country it would have to serve as the region that was the concern thats not the view of did in most veteran of the liberation struggle he was close to mugabe for fifty years he was quite clear the army intervened he said to save zanu p. F. Not the country and he was you know this must be not general just because there is a member of the opposition who also is with vested interests in the veteran of the liberation in the latter he said a number of the something is wrong you see he says the armed forces in saturdays opinions and yes will be done he said. The armed forces made up of zanu p. F. Members he said not democrats intent on our sharing in a pluralistic system not democrats intent on pushing in a pluralistic system so in other words forget about democracy not just israel in other words which are sense because it is a bitter said old man thats what im saying lets not forget for democracy lets forget about what a member of the opposition would say again as and what they plan to impose will go on saying that the move forward of even at the swearing in ceremony there were people were taken a look at them because the president of botswana for one in karma he said it pretty clearly i dont see why i should wish him mugabe well if he cared nothing for his own people why should i care for him and then there were the crowds the two the Police Commissioner general gus the ensuring the calls for him to step down you think gave you talk about rose petals for everybody so rose per thousand to do all this im sure you didnt actually check the relationship between the people of zimbabwe and the Police Commissioner general the generals the rest of the army or the rest of the city secure kratz and the general and the. Jury why do you think the police were metal strip to stand down why are they wanted right now as im talking to your starting joint patrol patrols with the army because the police were not trusted by the people they were not trusted by the army they were not trusted by the support they were trusted by only president mugabe why because the person that was second in command of the police is his cousin and and the war point was to safeguard that president s mr i want to know what is disturbing to many people young to be in your country there are plenty of signs that the new president is no different from the old one you take is warning about pluralism and political opposition those who oppose us will park and park he said they will continue to park but the zanu p. F. Train will roll on ruling and ruling while they park again its all about the pasty nothing about the contrast thats. Misinterpretation of what and thats a direct quote of what you said yes but i would tell you that any court get taken out of his context loses many you think this man is ever going to allow the barking dogs of the opposition to sweep him out of power. If they win not a chance if they win you would if they really would its when uses the backing phrase its not all about opposition its even included grace what you are simply saying is when im focused on Something Like a train or a locomotive every dog will run which runs around alongside the tracks can bark and bark but the locomotive does not stop its called a locomotive is not a country zanu p. F. As far as hes concerned he is a vehicle for trying to force transformation within the country thirty years falls it has is a miracle from thirty five years its trash we made mistakes trash democracy were trash now cant we didnt trust democrats but yes we made mistakes and yes we messed up the economy starts really disastrous whatever whatever line you turn youre a very friendly guy youre a nice jovial sort of fellow i dont know that for whatever line you turn you know full well that mr man and god is hostage to the brutality of the brutal record of zanu p. F. Using your theory his period as head of Central Intelligence in the mid 1980s coincided with the most brutal of all mugabes massacres the socalled coup or killings in which up to twenty thousand from the in the bailey tribes were killed or disappeared he was denied any role but actually the state controlled by the way a chronicle reported at the time that he compared to citizens to bugs cockroaches that is such an epidemic the government needed to bring in dealey alger thing to get rid of the actual thing so its worthless yet i hear i had you now give me a chance to respond to you first thing is we way in a very intimate very formative years of our country mistakes were made and the excuses made. It cannot be reality isnt it doesnt exist in one of many species and simply say we made mistakes so thats an admission that he made mistakes thats number one number two during that period when he was many sort of security he was coming to poland into account for his actions all the time with a very robust parliament at that time and they would have some things yes ministry crimes this was parking offenses for which you know to quell or pay a fine this was murder on a grand scale there were mistakes all its mistakes and there will be just an understatement in history this is a man or not mistakes its not its a slow made mistakes that is stalin made mistakes you know there were mass murderers this was mass we lost one of the militia it now will of the militia not will last till we lost people we lost is about wins and. For you k. I was for it too its unfortunate that it happened but in the formative years of alienation if we go back to the history of britain who find that there were pages there were people that died it does what it doesnt it doesnt clear people it doesnt make it any better but the facts still remain in a formative years of a nation things who happen which notions must happen however that should not have happened west of an eye with violence stamped into your partys d. N. A. And thats already been proved yet again in the last week the very day the new president was sworn in the former finance minister Ignatius Trumbull was handed over to the police by the military who had beaten him up severely and while he was held in custody and. Were two testimonies told the initial trouble was that the minister talking about salvation in these various vision told by himself in his testimony in chief he never said he wasnt he was president wrong is he wrong you know he says he was tortured he has them if they did it in the uk to destroy or is wrong because the actual person didnt allege did he tell me and i didnt beat him up no they didnt get him and he never you know in a sense active investor you never said that he was here this refers to fight in court what went by the court record isnt it when when somebody says a place on or off if thats what we go by i saw you know why we making it up as his lawyer said it was a very brutal and took only in the way of dealing with opponents if he says that but i can accept very much so and i tweeted about it myself that this is not the way were to do this but so thuggish is the country that youve created a few weeks ago to man and man are you calling us thunder now but not. Let me finish the man who is now president had to flee for his life a couple of weeks ago and it doesnt end thats an unfortunate set of our latest issues and its not hard i dont know why dont i see any of the politicians had to flee him i dont know i said i dont accept you calling him a countryman but i would say that it was it was unconventional it was wrong it shouldnt have happened that way but when it starts isnt it and you know right before you is not sitting the tongue isnt it time you came out whats been going on in your country all these years apart from just. Trying to get out of it by calling it a few mistakes and meet it that people deserve Something Better than p. F. Other people really dont know people deserve what they vote for exactly thats what thats what democracy about its if the partisans on appeal then they deserves an opinion isnt it are you going to prescribe leaders was an all for prison for the people of zimbabwe they made a choice theyll make a choice in july or so theyll make a choice again but they choose not to be if thats what they deserve i put it to troy smith who was his Vice President for ten years yeah that under mugabe zimbabwe became a byword for corruption murder trial cities and torture she didnt argue with that she didnt know she said its a fact whats known again when you quote opposition we was good when she was resisting she was with him for ten years yeah but then Vice President by then but then if you had said sorry for any of these mergers corruption atrocity you know its too much corruption is there and its a problem there you go ive made an admission made us not to this scale you want to say things happened as i told you nine hundred eighty which and then within the one hundred eighty which shouldnt have happened there you go you love those understatements things happened no these were murders and massacres carried out this was brutal brutal violence and you know it was a satanist it was things happen when im saying i think you are playing it down well they want you know where your result they were told. They were dissidents one to their way torricelli actually kidnapped and killed there with there were some what age of infrastructure there were three election violence especially around the point thousand and eight am i explain what i mean by things happened so the response to the response to that was disproportionate yes and thats why im saying things happened because things happen on both sides and thats the phrase i. Why is it would not raise temperatures in ethnic tension in zimbabwe you know just exactly i think what youre trying to do in january on the voice of america you were asked why your party havent been more successful in improving lives for the majority of zimbabwe three and a half decades. And you replied its a matter of time its not going to happen overnight of course when the end of it and there are you trying to and its never like the seventy years and you say its a matter of time say im not going to have another one i want people to spin saying this thirty seven years mantra they will be had they pretend that theres nothing good happened in zimbabwe when we went through in a typical and went around when people when they were a lot of educated people when schools were built when the provincial was president for all spittles were built with the university only sort of the university and now weve got sixteen things positive things happened in zimbabwe you know if you look tonight because nobody denies you ok its ok its only its not its your education but in the last wrote achievements its not a wasted thirty seven years that you see but as for the economy you know the man i work on you certainly dont want it but i go yes now when im sorry but it will certainly set records but they want the records you wanted and they your policies grotesque mismanagement inflation peaked around three thousand and eight two hundred thirty one million percent congratulations thank you very much to all that record but why because you the west undermined our economy its the worse off for well not you know not your body not your staggering in terms of course made in capital with up to today as well i mean i give you that but lets not lets not totally dismiss the role of the sanctions played because the whole point was to bring down this moment economy and but theres a problem government and its how it worked to some extent but the only thing that didnt happen is the government also broke down. No relation now is running at more than fourteen percent interest to output is less than ten percent of g. D. P. Compared to twenty five percent and nine hundred ninety s. Nobodys under it in the world the world before the new president its a lot of work fast which yesterday but on right now thats why i say they have to hit the ground running and the first top Government Official to make this admission when he was Vice President he went to china and he made admission of them but was twenty years behind in development and when somebody of that stature and that level makes that admission its a very important admission and because of that its not underwriting the trust before him there are plenty of signs that your public wants ju