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is here on the wrong. what is the general public think about the e.u. these days. how do you feel about the e.u. force if the rules are decided over our heads and just imposed on us simply britain wants to leave the e.u. would you like germany to leave to go to an absolutely and we should go back to the dutch mark so. what's the most common preconception about the e.u. that you hear most for you know that every country does its own thing we don't really have an e.u. . that's going to be i'm horrified by developments such as breck's it and what's happening in hungary you know marco i mean if it's not good that every country does its own thing on its own right now i have my doubts about it of its life or if people are fed up with the e.u. . the most often heard objections on
germany is the use paymaster. the e.u. is too weak. the e.u. is too interfering. is a bureaucratic monster. ok it isn't if you ok we're going to see if there's any truth to these ideas that go on further. by the idea. well with an electric scooter already approved in something new countries and soon to be allowed in traffic in germany too. we're planning to sound out opinions not just here but also in italy poland and possibles. i take the train to hamburg to investigate the idea that germany is the paymaster that's how the people we surveyed put it. in my opinion we're paying for countries that aren't giving anything themselves just
taking germany is financially robust and has good economic growth rate but there are other countries that don't and they benefit from us we're bailing out the southern european countries with it going to be driven up the middle countries like greece need to be helped out that takes effort and no one feels like it. or that it supports germany would never have become one of the world's leading exportations. in. the port of homburg as one of germany's main hubs of goods handling let's start by crunching the numbers. according to the european commission in 27 team germany was the biggest net contributor to the e.u. . a 10700000000 euro small to brussels than is back. written france italy and sweden also paid more into the budget than. talk back.
i'm eating and go a coffee born and bred in hamburg former s.p.d. politician and party spokesman for the maritime economy and now co c.e.o. of port of hamburg marketing. because. of that we've made it a little while longer than that was quite a climb. just to see some people complain that germany is the e.u.'s paymaster and they're not wrong the fact is that on balance germany pays more money to brussels than any other member state do you understand why people get annoyed about that and consider it unfair. tax of germany is the strongest economy in the e.u. people might complain but it's not justified germany gets a lot back well generals if you recall the simple fact alone that we're in the euro zone means there are no currency barriers to trading with various other countries
as europe's number one export nation that's a major advantage. for example the hamburg port also serves as a port for the czech republic we handle 500000 containers that are checked so we also benefit from the czech export economy and what the czech republic imports from china for example. that sounds impressive close to 25 percent of jobs in germany depends on exports in recent years the country's foreign trade balance has showed a record surpluses. so germany is an excellent economic shape but what about other countries that are less well off. i'm off to italy i'm going to explore the dark side of the e.u. along with the widely held idea that the e.u. is too weak.
the mediterranean no longer seems so a dalit in the last 3 years an estimated 10000 people have lost their lives trying to cross hairs many of those who survived the journey ended up here and it really is. why can't the e.u. solve this crisis what's the situation like today. for years refugees have been trying to reach italy by the mediterranean the e.u. has failed to relocate them evenly across the member states and italy has been largely left alone with a crisis far right populist seize the moment and were voted into power now the government has closed italy's pause as a result the number of refugees arriving in spain quadrupled in 2018 to 40000. last. i'm eating even. he used to pick tomatoes as
a day laborer now he loves and lemon campaigns against the exploitation of refugees in southern the police agricultural sector. is going to shame me against her for refugees he cut her living as day laborers. but for the many of the harvest workers live in the ghetto because they hope to find work in the fields in the ghettos of lost places cities within the city marked by desperation and crime. and it up what a lot of the. problem is on tells me that the mafia is involved in the specs courses of sister. so-called couple ronnie actis intermediaries controlling the migrant workers often forcibly. the cost of transporting food and water is deducted from their wages leaving them with as little as 3. euros 50
a day yeah a lot of the tomatoes they pick export it to germany where few are aware of the conditions in which they were harvested. their slaves for the couple of the agricultural businesses and the system to give off it's not right that goods harvested this way end up on consumers plates. we at this produce every day europe needs to put a better monitoring system in place for agricultural production needs to be monitored and certified. diskette or as known as a model matter no no. it's right next to an official refugee camp it's a bizarre juxtaposition of worlds and one refugees waiting to find out if they can stay and then the other others whose asylum applications were turned down.
the squalor the shocking. oh my god. but i thought well there are 3 twilights for everyone it stinks. oh my god. but here the man still shaves here even though there's no running water. and. there's nothing to harvest these days. so the migrant workers spend all their time hanging around them i guess are. those who live at the edge of the camp of the lucky ones. there are 20 people share this stone building it's no way to live. how does he do you think the east too weak live no no don't be a last dying bed of a man go to the e.u. isn't intervening here to solve the problems it's not taking part in the discussion about immigration law. these are real people living breathing people
who experienced torture crossed deserts to get here but. will be people who fought they were going to paradise on earth partly because they see the e.u.'s the cradle of human rights. but now they're here and they're being used as slaves they've been stripped of every last scrap of dignity so. they stop. the fact that a continent as wealthy as europe is letting people exist like this raises a lot of questions. and join the e.u. 15 years ago i'm on my way there to get to the bottom of a completely opposite idea that the e.u. interferes too much. in warsaw i'm meeting some people to find out more in 2017 the e.u. commission triggered article 7 disciplinary measures for the 1st time in its
history against poland. it was on the grounds of a clear risk of a serious breach of the rule of law the toughest sanctions also known as the nuclear option suspend certain rights such as voting bot it requires a unanimous vote in the european council and hungry announced it would veto any sanctions that the e.u. might propose against poland. the threats proceedings against a member state is that going too far. do you think the e.u. is meddling in polish affairs. no i don't think so i haven't raised this with we are part of europe. and western standards and rules should influence poland. that's something positive i think part of the but the but is not talking about us i think the e.u. can give us the best of everything freedom no borders or a better standard of living actually. i i don't care if i'm out of it it's to
company to complicated for me. to just crazy for. i find what's going on here a bit crazy when the right wing law and justice party came to power in 2015 it began introducing judicial reforms including lowering the retirement age of supreme court judges as a way of forcing out opponents of the government according to the e.u. the reforms threaten judicial independence putting democracy in jeopardy. the country's president is andre duda but poland's political mastermind is jaroslav kitchen leader of the law and justice party.
2 years ago regular protests against the judicial reforms were held here among the demonstrators was monica much worse a member of the grassroots movement see a democrat see the. morning go by you know who brought with the candle page i'm sure you see yes there's a lot it's not going to look from 2 years ago no not but similar yes almost the same yes do you remember the time 2 years ago. the movement slogan was a better and fairer poland in 2017 it mobilized thousands of people to protest against the reforms they took to the streets with candles night after night. but now with some reason it stopped the west to protest going. i think you can't i mean expect from people to especially in hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands to be on the streets every day about something. and this is the major problem now in
poland. that we have the current government throwing us every day with the new issues that we could potentially protest about. the e.u. is at least interfering a lot in the last is that true is it a cliche as a true i wouldn't say it's a cliche definitely not it's also not true. what i would say is that this is the only institution to on the force that is sort of helping poland enough to go down the drain we have at the moment a systemic you know which is literally one person taking all of the major decisions that he believes are questions yes yes for the country which is absolutely unacceptable i mean this is not a democracy. that
use most draconian disciplinary measure can't be enforced because one country vetoes it is it really fair to call the e.u. interfering. in southern italy i'm still finding out what the e.u. was doing to help the country deal with the refugee situation. if it's too weak to . the things you how do you feel about the plight of refugees here in italy advena you know what can i say i feel sorry for the immigrants i'd like to give them somewhere to live food work and i hope it's not italy's problem it's the use
problem a lot of those. you get the impression the e.u. is just too weak to find solutions. had to fill so no i think the e.u. is very strong and could find a solution or maybe it just doesn't want to. it's certainly left italy to deal with the issue of. one of italy's biggest trade unions issues were up to migrants but only those with residence permits now the right wing populist material savini as interior minister i'm told that hardly anyone is awarded a work permit. so what europe can do it's just go rent more rights for these people that are right here for walking not for entertainment or something like that i mean it's really on the margins. some people in poland do think that eve was interfering too much.
one of them is alexandra robbins just a german polish journalist who works for a staunch league conservative news organization that publishes a weekly magazine staff here are pro-government and one could say the skeptics. he was interfering too much true. i'd say the european commission is meddling mainly in terms of the legal proceedings for most people the european commission used to be a weird club making sure bananas weren't crooked and issuing idiotic directives that no one needed. but i think the newer member states feel like they're treated differently than other countries good. and whole and is a big country and we aren't going to just be at the beck and call of germany and france. as well so basically chancellor merkel calls the shots so yes to a large extent she is calling the shots. we need the e.u.
1st and foremost as a market and as an economic power the question is do we need a political eat you. have so we just shut it down and start over oh no no we need reform. but if there were reform what would be left an economic union fenced off to others putting national interests 1st and no longer a union with common values that's not my kind of europe. and it's not his either in february this rising political star found the new left wing liberal party. polish for spring. according to the latest polls he's now the most popular politician in the country. yet on an openly gay atheist. do you. feel snow wants to boost the clean energy sector and support young entrepreneurs separate church and state and approve
same sex marriage be it on wants poland to embrace europe and his message is going down well with young voters sky yesterday still when you add up a stolen belongs to the ego and whether or not it makes progress is closely tied to the e.u. . at the moment poland isn't taking part in any discussion about the european union it doesn't have any ideas about how to contribute right that's something we need to change. is further to be pro european and we'll fight to integrate poland more closely into the e.u. decision day. by school. i ask our translator who's from warsaw what she thinks about the e.u. is treatment of poland. even a deal music's field i think the e.u. is too slow too wishy washy and too indecisive. we think it's regrettable that the e.u. doesn't intervene more but rather lets the government carry on with its nonsense
function right that's one. well she didn't mince her words contrary to our 1st impressions people in poland are actually well disposed to the e.u. and the latest polls show that a majority are in favor of it. that goes for italy too i'm still on the road trying to find out of the e.u. as a helpless bystander or a hopeful ally. i ask my translator what she thinks she's from naples and used to live in germany. shabby outlash on the ski to the fs i get the feeling that lots of countries have understood that things can't go on like this that this would be easy they realize that this union needs to be managed on different terms for all sits back at the shifted and so on that. everyone seems to agree that the e.u.
needs to change but how. that's a question that sociologist from anetta from its researchers at the university of georgia. needs to what extent is europe to blame for the current situation what i meant that problem the problem with europe is that no one has paid enough attention to with social aspects economic europe is a more or less accessible model but political europe has failed now we need to have a go at a social europe. nonprofit up on the. exact lead go about creating a social europe my visit to italy has been i have. come to my supposed union create social cohesion i'm going to work with a member state with a populist government that doesn't respect the e.u. .
back in germany. many in poland and italy seem to want a stronger but at the same time there's a widespread sense of political frustration and anger across the continent. to monitor they just do their own thing they don't ask us we're nobodies who for you know i mean if you're kratz with fat cat salaries this globe i think people are fed up with the e.u. . eastern germany isn't the only place where people are dissatisfied with the political establishment as a result the far right parties are gaining ground here and elsewhere in europe. in italy and austria they've even made it into government in hungary and poland the governments are increasingly drifting to the right. in germany support for the right wing populist party the a.f.d.
is strongest in the east although polls show its popularity that kind of strong slightly still incites anywhere in regional elections will take place in september it's the 2nd strongest party. of the one cutting. and i'm about to meet an expert on the right wing extremism who is researching far right parties in the european parliament and interesting woman. you have been doing your research has shown that the far right is very provocative and very loud in parliament but in actual practice it's just a load of hot air are we more worried than we should be is that the reason we do need to be worried we can see that far right parties even when they aren't part of votes and don't win votes they still have an effect on politics. also. ahead of european elections
a number of right wing populist part. these have joined forces in the european alliance of people and nations current polls show that they can make up over 25 percent of any peace why are more and more europeans voting for the far right. cut off it's got something to do with an ongoing deep politicization of them that people haven't given any thought to what political values matter to them perhaps they're more interested in how they personally can get ahead how financially secure they are and how much they have in comparison to others. we know that a sense of inequality is widespread and that creates fertile ground for right wing populist and far right parties to grow and flourish off apartheid times nothing. but they're also come to movement the younger generation is often dismissed as a political but the rise of activism such as the fridays for future movement shows that's not necessarily true. they also took to the streets to protest to ease
recent ascension to reform copyright law just to make decisions over people's heads . together we're on our way to the very heart of the european union brussels the seat of the european council the commission and the parliament we want to see if there's any truth to the notion that the e.u. is basically a monster bureaucracy. is the oldest of the e.u. has a massive amount of bureaucracy and it could definitely be slimmed down so it was trying to call for stories we had in kentucky public market the problem is they can't get anything done because there needs to be consensus whenever they vote on anything and at the team out there doing something but we don't really know what. russells is home to a lot of people who work for the e.u. but in hamburg alone some 50000 people work in politics senate ministration one in 10000 europeans is an e.u. official in cologne and a much higher percentage of the population is
a civil servant brought. or spend 6 percent of its budget on personnel germany's local council spent 25 percent. or. so in terms of actual figures it's not really that bureaucratic d.m.f. it's often made out to be. is the preconception more about feelings processes or even just a communication problem. i met the european parliament to meet danny and there's a lack of the party vote founded 3 years ago in response to the rising tide of populism and protests the party is now hoping to enter the european parliament as the 1st pan-european party. was our eyes on our travels across europe we've heard lots of people say that the e.u. works well as an economic union but that it's politically disastrous do you agree. it was one of the moment i would say that at the moment it's hard to understand what exactly is happening politically on a european level. you get the feeling that heads of government meet up and make
backroom deals so that's why our 1st priority is to strengthen parliament to make sure that the members of the european parliament can propose legislation for now they can't. and let's give people a vote for an m.e.p. and a vote for a party list so that people can build up relationships to the n.e.p. . is the e.u. capable of reform as it now stands we don't see any alternative breaking up the e.u. is nonsense to us it's perfectly obvious that it needs to be reformed. to
eat with the e.u. is the biggest piece project since world war 2 its importance and value are a measure of it but. i think europe is great and i believe it should become an even closer union i hope it remains intact and grow stronger from issues to me it's the only hope of surviving in today's world more down to to be sure. isn't understood i think it's good that it's the way it is it makes things easier in many ways. is why we've had peace for 70 years and let's hope it stays that way and we can continue working on the e.u. and i hope that britain stays.
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