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Cenk well looks look were out of time. If you want more young turks, utubd. Com tyt, all the young turks you can handle. Viewpoint is next. John cpac 2013 is underway. And the speaker told us how barack obama is an evil socialist mastermind, and at least theyre on message. The budget stayed up in d. C. With the president offering cuts to medicare now. This is turning into a new reality show. New deal or no knew deal. Well be joined by congressman peter welch. And its pi day. Today is the birthday of the late Albert Einstein and tom coburn and Michael Caine is 80 years old. And Julius Caesar was an emperor, now hes a salad. Heres viewpoint. [ theme music ] john good evening, im john fugelsang, and this is viewpoint. Day three of president obamas socalled Charm Offensive saw him meeting with Senate Republicans and House Democrats following the meeting yesterday with house republicans. Next stop, tomorrow hell be speaking at cpac. Obama did offer an explanation for his recent outreach in a speech last night to a support Group Organizing for action. Obama over the last several weeks the the press here in washington has been reporting about obamas Charm Offensive. The truth of the matter is all ive been doing is calling up folks and trying to see if we can break through some of the gobble di di gook of our politics politics. John gobble di gook indeed. Its hard to differentiate between the gook and the gobble di. Here is john baner. Republicans want to balance the budget. The president doesnt. The republicans want to solve our longterm debt problem. The president doesnt. John its worth pointing out the last two republican president s ever to balance a budget was named richard nixon. Our biggest problems in the next ten years is not deficit. Something that the president bases not only on facts economic theory and last four years of being president but we haveand thereduction weve already done to slow our pesky recovery, but republicans demand leadership. In an oped. It says for all of washingtons focus on the president s outreach to republicans its his engagement with members of his own party that will germ whether we succeed in dealing with our own challenge of dealing with our economy. Meaning, he would be a true leader and we would have a budget that cuts entitlements strips money from programs from those who actually need it. And it balances out. Maybe thats why the president likes to stay at home in the white house after all. Joining me is peter welch of vermont, who had a chance to meet with the president today. Congressman, thank you for being on viewpoint this evening. Thank you. John you met with the president earlier. How would you describe the meeting . Were you encouraged at all by what you heard . Quite a bit . John really . Yes, the president had a Brutal Campaign and he won on a very explicit commitment that he would about up the economy bring down the deficit. That was the argument to bring down the debt. There is not a disagreement between him and mr. Boehner about the debt. Its how we do it and when we do it. It was reassuring when he said he was not going to chase a bad deal. He was asked about the cpi which was a great concern to democrats. What he said was look, hes going to totally maintain the medicare and our Social Security, but he was acknowledging that sometimes we dont like to remember ourselves, we got a divided government. He said if were going to demand a balanced approach then obviously we have to talk about things that we dont like. The context that the president presented this in is he would only get engaged on anything related to medicare if it was in the context of a very solid balanced deal. And i think what was reassuring was his emphasis on the commitment to the middle class bringing down unemployment, creating jobs. And you know, the difference here is that mr. Boehner and the republicans actually do believe in austerity. They think if we just squeeze squeeze, squeeze, even as we lower taxes at the high end that will create prosperity. Thats really a pipe dream. John im confused. The president said he doesnt want to touch medicare at all but because of a divided government we might have to do things we dont like. No, he said if we want to get revenues theyll bring up topics like the entitlement issues that we will have to discuss. He was not backing away from my view a solid commitment to maintaining it. He said those of us who are supporters of medicare and Social Security have to focus on maintaining solvency and stability going forward. He said, this was music to our ears. He said Social Security was not part of the debt issue. It is a totally different issue. To the extent that we get involved. Social security at all it has to be about that problem and its solvent and committed to that 75 year window weve been committed to. As far as medicare, with what wave done with the Affordable Care act were in good shape for the next ten years. But after that even the cbo numbers show with the demographics of ten thousand folks coming into healthcare each year and then healthcare costs continue to go up higher than the rate of inflation we have to do something. Those of us on the democratic democratic side said its reform, not shifting the costs as paul ryan is suggesting. He left pretty confident with the solid commitment to the middle class that he expressed in his campaign, and the solid commitment to revenue as part of the budget deal. He gave us confidence, i would say. Even though some of these things are going to be raised by the republicans we have to evaluate them if over all its a solid deal for the middle class. Were not going to chase a bad deal. John thats great to hear. Of course the president has been vocal about a possible willingness to support a reform. But you congressman welsh you have a proposal that will save 156 billion over the next ten years. Right now medicare has great benefit and Drug Benefit Program part d. We pay Retail Prices even though we buy wholesale. If we purchased drugs like we do in the v. A. Or medicare, we would save taxpayers 156 billion a year. Right now in medicare if we buy a certain drug, and buy that same drug in the medicaid or v. A. Program, we would pay 60 less. So were buying wholesale and paying retail. And obviously that makes no sense. Its a legacy of the law that was jammed through by tom delay known as the hammer when it was made illegal for the government to negotiate fullprice discounts in the medicare program. No capitalist would do that. They would pay wholesale if buying wholesale. John congressman peter welsh, i would have to say that particular plan would upset big farm ma, but you could take that on yourself and win. Thank you for your time your service, and your very promising new bill. John also joining us tonight to unpack the budget battle for newsweek the one and only Michael Tomas tomasky. Welcome. Thank you. John if the president leads were behind, hes criticized. If he stays at home, they a they say the guys not leading. What can he do . What can he do . Accept the ryan budget. Thats what they mean by leadership, john as you know, as you said at the top of the segment. Theyre not going to bend on revenues and theyre not going to give an inch. What they mean is that the deal has to be done on their terms. Thats what they mean. Its ridiculous. John we have economists on both sides saying we dont have a deficit problem, something that dick cheney once said. How have republicans been so successful at framing the entire budget issue as one needing to balance the budget. Is it that the media swallows everything that they say . The media swallows deficit hawkry all the time here in the beltway whether it comes from republicans or democrats. While bush was president the republicans werent talking much about deficit hawkry. They were running up the big deficits. But then the big crisis came, the meltdown came in 2008 and we did spend, of course, we spent the stimulus and the auto bailout and other things. The deficit did go up very high, and the usual deficit hawks inside the beltway who are always complaining about the deficit started really ratcheting it up, and the republicans saw that. They said, aah this is our opportunity. What they want, of course, is to cut Government Spending cut domestic discretionary programs, and reformi cant believe that word came out of my mind, but to drastically cut change, cut programs. Thats what they really want to do, but they now they can couch it in the we must reduce the deficit terms and that a lot of people will fall for it. Youre correct in the premise of your question, its correct. The deficit has gone down to 845 billion. Thats still a high def sit but its falling pretty fast. If the economy keeps going at this clip, 250,000 private sector jobs a month, who knows. John and economists claim the stimulus saved the economy. Sir, have we reached a point where the best deal for our country may be no deal at all . Well, a lot of people have said this going way back, going back to when this budget control act was passed in 2011, which is the act that led to the sequestration. Yeah, this is an entirely possible outcome that no deal is the best deal. I just dont see what is going to make the republicans move on tax revenues. I didnt see anything in ryans new budget that suggested this was possible. He wants to cut taxes even further, especially for rich people, of course. The democratic proposal that was put out by patty murray makes an attempt, and i think a reasonably honest attempt to have a balanced approach, you know, 1 trilliondollar over ten years in revenues, and 1 trilliondollar in ten years in spending cuts. But its notthe republicans arent going to give that the time of day. Theyre not going to look at it. John why isnt the president using his bully pulpit on the tax issue. They were supposed to expire in 2010. The American People voted for me twice on the promise of tax cuts. I made 80 of those tax cuts permanent. Were just talking about closing loopholes which is what governor romney talked about. Why arent we bringing the fight to them on this issue. In some ways he has. He goes out and makes thesehe goes out on the stump and makes these appearances and says these things. He may not say them the way you and i would like them. He may not say it as directly and emphatically as you and i would say them, but hes trying to say this stuff. Whenever he does that, of course, the republicans say oh, hes outhes in Permanent Campaign mode. Why doesnt he come back to washington to negotiate. Then he comes back to negotiate and they have say, well, nothing came out of it. He cant win with them. John in fairness to the president , you and i dont have the burden to appear president ial. The great Michael Tomasky. Thank you for coming on the show tonight. Thank you. John antipolice protest in brooklyn three nights running now. The shooting last week that may have started it, but this was building up long before. Now thats coming up next. Now find the most hard core driver in america. That guy, put him in it. Whats this . [ male announcer ] tell him hes about to find out. Youre about to find out. [ male announcer ] test it. 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John its time for our thing of the day and its the smackdown of the day. Senator Dianne Feinstein delivered on her hearing on her bill to ban assault weapons. After senator ted cruz tried to instruct her on the constitution, the good senator from california replied with this. Im not a sixth grader. Senator, ive been on this committee for 0 years. I was a mayor for nine years. I walked in, i saw people shot. I studied the constitution myself. Im reasonably well educated, and i thank thank you for the lecture. Incidentally, this does not prohibityou used the word prohibitit exempts. 2271 weapons. Isnt that enough for the people in the United States . Do they need a bazooka. John nice lecture, senator cruz. The bad news, senator feinstein apologized to senator cruz later. But hey she has to work with the guy. Those people who were shot were harvey milk and senator marscone. The riots erupted after the shooting of 16yearold kimani gray. One officer was injured but behind this protest is a larger story. Most people shot by police in in 2011 were black like, kimani gray or hispanic. And they are routinely detained by police. The police have been stopping and specificking frisking people in wholesale numbers. Any of those stops could turn violent, even with just verbal resistence. And more than 86 of the people who have been stopped have been black or latino with many of the young men getting frisked over and over and over again. Im pleased to welcome back to the show host of twi radio, Elon James White and l. Joy williams. Thank you for coming back. Thank you. John just this tuesday at the city council complies commissioner ray kelly credited stop and frisk, the policy that i was just discussing about a sharp decrease in crime. Is it worth it . Did definitely is. Youre asking american citizens to give up their rights, and youre saying, o because were finding guns, because were stopping future murderers. But were giving up our rights. No other communities are asked to do that. There are no other communities across the city besides communities of color, who are asked to give up their Civil Liberties. John stop and frisk does not happen on wall street. It doesnt happen there at all. And lets stop and look at the statistics on it. When you break it down, over 80 of people who are stopped on stop and frisk are absolutely innocent. This is a great thing youre doing even though most of the people you are bothering have done nothing wrong. Its not as if you get stopped and frisked and then they say oh, sorry this is the issue, and an explanation of why you may look like a perpetrator none of that happens. John the privacy and Civil Liberties issue you might see rand paul get on the bandwagon. I doubt it. John do you see the effects of it in private buildings or women . Ive been a witness to it more often than not its young africanamerican and latino males as well as adults, who are targeted that way. I cant say that ive personally experienced that. Ive never seen it or experienced it and im not quite sure of the numbers that say a lot of women experience that but the target is males. Our cohost a regularhe has so many stories about this specifically because hes large africanamerican with long dreadlocks, literally hes stopped. If he sees someone cops will look in his direction hell walk over to the car. How can i help you officer. Thats how bad its gotten in brooklyn. John would you like to see stop and frisk end all together even as commissioner kelly said it would lead to a rise in violent crime. Im not sure that it would directly lead to a rise in crime. Im different. I know there are organizations likes naacp, who want the policy ended. Me personally, i have a different view. I think it can be an useful tool but its not used properly. When you have a systemic view across Police Departments because its not just here in new york. There are other places as well where they dont use the tool properly, then i think you do have to end it because people dont know how to use it. I differ with l. Joy on that. If your statistics are that high that youre finding the wrong people then maybe the tactic youre using shouldnt be used. John this is not just about locking people up for small amounts of marijuana. Thats a misdemeanor. Even for a long time. First of all that was supposed to be kind of the misdemeanor for quite some time. People were still being arrested at full volume. Even with that being on the books it doesnt mean that the young men on the street that get stopped actually will have that happen to them. Remember, you mentioned even if you assert verbally without any physical violence or anything, even if you assert verbally yours rights there are still africanamerican and latino males who know their rights and will say it to police officers, that talk back will get you arrested. John you could try to end poverty and watch it all disappear in a generation or so, but that wont help. They dont believe in prevention. John no, in is america. Lets shift over to the protest. Elon youve been there. What have you seen happening at the protest over the last few nights . People are frustrated. There are multiple things happening right now. There is a dead child. Thats what it is, as much as we want to talk about the gang banger and his background there is a dead child. You have a city where literally there has been a battle between the community and the Actual Police department for decades. This is not something that just started. This is not some weird new thing. You have all this brewing around things. Then you have people who are genuinely angry and they believe things should happen. At the same time theyre coming to the neighborhood and theyre not actively thinking what is going to happen in that neighborhood. You have so many different aspects and parts of this going on that no one is having the discussion about the complication of this. I should mention, he had been arrested four times previously but we have not heard a word whether his prints were found on the weapon near his body, and in my opinion the fact that there were three Bullet Wounds in his back does not mean that this controversy is going to go away any time soon. Were still waiting for the results of this investigation that continues to go on. His family held a press conference denouncing the violence that has been rising, and has been happening as protests have been going on, and they just want an investigation in terms of it. We see witness who is have come forward and say he didnt have a gun. He didnt have anything in his hands. We need this conversation to happen to figure out what happened. But as elon mentioned there is still the tension and anger in our communities that this consistently happens in our communities. Even right now, just as a point of reference where we acknowledge that he had been arrested four times before. That didnt matter. They didnt know that information during the altercation at that time. John indeed, they did not. I thank you for coming back two nights in a row. As i told you well continue to cover this because i think whether you live in new york or not this affects you. I thank you both for keeping on top of it. L. Joy williams, and Elon James White. Thank you both for stopping by. Yes. John other children at risks. This across the world in syria. Thats coming up. Youre invited to take the lysol wipes challenge. Try lysol dual action wipes and see the cleaning power. 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This love story is pretty hot because it involved a threeway. Soon in kansas youll be able to carry guns into the public offices, schools and hospitals which is quite convenient because then kansasens will be to have their selfinflicted gunshot wounds treated on the spot. Lawmakers also passed a bill that would ban the enforcement of federal bans on guns made in kansas. So remember mass murderersers when youre purchasing weapons for your next killing spree make sure they have the made in kansas label on them. The legislation still has to go to the state senate which is even more conservative than the state house. So the bill is probably too soft. And wtf, kansas, we love you but because on youre known for your beef but you want to turn your whole state into a slaughterhouse. Why cant you enjoy your right to bear arms without shooting all of western civilization right in the foot . A closer shave in a single stroke for less irritation, even on sensitive skin. Gillette mach3 sensitive. Gillette. The best a man can get. John welcome back. Moving now to syria, in the civilian cost of the deadly civil war in syria has been well documented. It has claimed the lives of some 70,000 people with several thousand more dying every month. What has not been documented until now is the story of children caught in the cross fire of unrelenting syrian violence. According to a report by save the children 2 million children are in need of assistance facing death, trauma, suffering deprived of basic humanitarian aid. Many have been lost at least one loved one and some have even been used as human shields. Carolyn mills, thank you for your service on this horrible issue and the statistics that i just cited are alarming. Can you shed light for our viewers on what is happening in syria . Sure, i think children are really caught in the cross fire. This is the childrens emergency more than anything. Its an attack on childhood. Thats why we wrote the report. Its kids inside syria about two million kids are at risk, and horrible things are happening to kids. We did this report with interviews with children both inside and outside of the country. Theyre telling us things like theyre watching their family members be tortured, theyre being tortured themselves. We have reports of kids being used as human shields. We have reports of girls being married off at 15, 16, to protect them from being raped. Really horrible things that are happening to children inside syria. John when you follow the news on what is happening in this horrible conflict its the politics. Its assad, its who is to blame. Can we trust the resistence, is turkey involved, and can john kerry do it . We dont talk about the statistics like this. I want to share this from your report. 2,000 schools have been damaged. More than 200,000 children are missing out on education and a third of syrian hospitals are now closed. It may seem like a trite question but what is the impact like this on the children . Something to remember, this is a middle income country. Before this disaster, and this crisis, these were kids going to school. They had healthcare. They had the basics. They werent rich by any means but were families that had the basics. Now you have kids not going to school. Huge psychological trauma on these kids. No health services. John that includes inoculations. Exactly. Vaccinations are not being kept up. Were hearing stories that mothers are going at seven months pregnant to have an emergency csection because theyre afraid they wont be able to get into a hospital when theyre actually due. And then within 4 hours less than 24 hours after the emergency csection they leave the hospital. You know, the healthcare everything basically everything serving these kids is gone. John what kind of psychological damage has this done to syrian children now and of course exponentially down the road . Yeah, thats something that were worried about. Its something that save the children does a lot of work on to get to those psycho social issues. You can see it in the drawings and in the reports that the kids are doing. Theyre drawing about these horrible things that have happened to them. Thats a good part of what is happening because you want kids to get some of those feelings out so the draw is drawing is part of getting kids to deal with these feelings. The trauma, you know, if you think about children watching, you know, parents die watching their brothers and sisters die being tortured. Thats trauma thats going to be there for a very long time. John i really hate to have to ask this question but how is this civil war impacting girls as opposed to boys . Well, i think girls always, unfortunately, are targets in war. Were hearing stories of rape of young teenage girls. Parents are marrying they are girls off early for protection. We definitely think thats happening throughout the country. John the report is largely nonpartisan, i respect that, but let me ask you, do you feel comfortable saying whether or not the assad regime is more responsible for these abuses of children than the resistence . Well, we certainly see the regime targeting civilians. That absolutely is happening. And children are being targeted along with those families. You know, its hard to get all of the information. Its a very hard place to work, so i do think there are things happening on both sides. The other thing is that there is not one rebel force. There are multiple fragmented groups in syria so some of these things could be happening in small groups but not across the forces. John one quick question. Everyone wonders how can we help . Where is the aid going . What is the biggest obstacle standing in the way of getting aid to the syrian children, Financial Aid or humanitarian aid . The point is were getting aid in to children and the million refugees who left the country, 52 who are living in jordan, lebanon and iraq in refugee camps. We are getting aid to children and aid into the country, but we need more access. We need access to the hardest hit areas. John carolyn miles, im grateful there are people like you on the planet. Thank you. You thank you. John conservatives are now meeting in maryland to echo at each other cpac. We have more from the scene. Thats coming up next. While your carpets may appear clean. Its scary how much dirt your vacuum can leave behind. Add resolve deep clean powder before you vacuum to expel the dirt within your carpets. Resolves deep clean powder is moist. Absorbing and lifting three times more dirt than vacuuming alone. Leaving you with a carpet thats truly fresh and clean. Dont just vacuum clean. Resolve clean. [ male announcer ] its red lobsters lobsterfest our Largest Selection of lobster entrees like lobster lovers dream or new grilled lobster and lobster tacos. Come in now and sea food differently. Visit redlobster. Com now for an exclusive 10 coupon on two lobsterfest entrees. John the 40th annual conservative Political Action conference kicked off this morning, and as always the theme of the day lies and hatred. Some of the intellectuals who took the stage today included one of the and done former congressman alan west perhaps allen west can sum up what happened today. There is nothing on this green earth that a liberal progressive fears more than a black american who wants a better life and a smaller government. Conservatives believe it is our moral duty to serve our fellow man regardless of race, sex, affiliation or creed. John because liberals were the ones who kept a black man down as long as you didnt own a dictionary. Lets check in with a brilliant american who is actually there. Tom welcome. Hey john. John its great to have you. You were at cpac talking to more of the folks in the crowd. That fascinates me. What was the vibe like for those attending . You know, its almost giddiness. A lot of people are there because they got scholarships, as it were, members who of their young republican clubs so they packed the house of these folks. And there is an enormous amount of money an enormous amount of swag, bags of stuff that they could take back. The thing that i found fascinating with the cpac are the billionaires behind it. How they pushed my dad generation to the right and how their sons are pushing the generation today to the right theyre almost there. John david koch favors marriage equality, he may be quicked out of his own conference. Does this seem like the future of the Republican Party or just a side show to get Hillary Clinton elected history . Well, i thinkthats a good question. A, i dont think its the future of the Republican Party. I think were looking at the Republican Party being torn apart. And the billionaire takeover of it and b, Hillary Clinton . Well, well have to wait and see on that. I dont think they have a viable candidate yet. Jeb bush is the most likely. John the viable candidates were not invited this year. What topics were people most interested in talking to you about . Turning Social Security over to the banks. Let wall street take care of Social Security. Lets turn medicare over to the Health Insurance companies. The stuff of paul ryan, the stuff that they put in their budget, voted for two years in a row and said, this is what we like. Doing away with entitlement programs. Anything that helps average working people or poor people theyre opposed to. And anything that helps billionaires theyre in favor of. John im glad that the serfs have realized that the lords are the feudal lords are the top. Were there any topics you wanted to avoid . Probably the billionaires, the influence of the billionaires on the port. Its a topic that does not discussed in cpac. It doesnt get discussed in the Democratic Party either, and it should be more. There are a few billionaires who support democrats but there is a distinction. When the billionaire is supporting a democrat, theyre supporting someone who is going to raise their taxes. You cant in any way call that an investment other than a social investment. A genuine society societal investment. John someone called that patriotism. Well said. On the other hand, when billionaires are supporting republicans and conservatives theyre investing in having more money down the road because their taxes will be lower. And which is really kind of sad. John and everyone is waiting for their trickle down prize. We have ten seconds are people coming up in the next couple of days, sarah palin, donald trump who are the folks most are excited to hear speak. Donald trump, im looking forward to. John me, to. Syndicated radio talk show thom hartmann. Good to see view listen to this guys radio show. Hes dynamite. Here to discuss everything cpac is alexsi Mcgill Johnson and rick ungar and mr. Karl frisch. Were going to have fun. First of all is this meant to be taken seriously or is this just to get the party fired up. When youre doubled down and crazy you cant be serious. When youre trying to ignore some of the core issues that are going to be key to any 2014 or 2016 challenge, i cant see how this is either or. John rick, what do you think . We love it. The circus comes to town. Its funny. Were the ones talking about this. I watched fox earlier. They werent talking about c. Pac thepacthe way were talking about it. Its a circus. Did you see donald trump . Allen west. John its fun to mock them. I dont mock them. I depend cpacs right to exist. Its the south by southwest homophobes muslim haters immigrant bashers racists sexists. The more that they exist in their 41st and 42nd and 43rd year it will only do better for the country because it will show the American People what the Republican Party is becoming. There were benign comments but putt toomeys speech, here he is discussing his version of the 2008 financial crisis. The fact is the policies that got us into this mess are the policies of a Big Government, the failed Monetary Policy and encouraging lending to people who couldnt pay loans back. Its the left that got us into this mess. John the only way the left got us into this mess is if you want to blame roosevelt for making glasssteagall which was repealed decades later. How did the left get us into this mess . The right will always look for an excuse to blame the left. Its as if bush never happened. Everything that happened during bush that was bad was clintons fault. Anything john we can give clinton credit for the repeal of glasssteagall. Sucking up to the right is not being left. The senator you saw was a pin for billionaires for decades pouring vast amounts of money into senate races all over the country to elect the most conservative corporatist members of the body they could. I just think it speaks to the irony of all of these wall street folks who are you know, definitely trying to get away from Big Government, but at the same time putting their hands out in front of Big Government. The fact that theyre embodying that is really speaking volumes. John they worship Ronald Reagan who grew Big Government by 60,000 jobs. We talk about how an g. O. P. Speaks empty rhetoric with no real ideas. This wont change your mind. When im done speaking ill tell what you the criticism ill tell you the problem on the left. One, he drank too much water. There is no idea. The idea is called america, and it still works. John okay, no one has made fun of the water. They made of him being a bad speaker and there are no new ideas. They dont come up with new ideas because of america . Blahblahblah blah flag. Bengahzi. Alexis . Of all the new ideas that rubio should have been talking about is path to citizenship and noticeably its absent from his speech. John he has the path away from citizenship. You put your finger on it. Substance is always missing. He does not deal in substance. Give this kid a break. We all know the letters, shapes numbers, they all have a liberal biased. John well talk about some people who are not at cpac, the guys who could actually get elected. Well be right back. Plan. John back with our panel alexis, karl, and rick, rand paul enters the sandman. He played metallica to try to appeal to the young folk. The facebook generation can detect falseness and hypocrisy a mile away. Ask the facebook generation if we should put a kid in jail for the nonviolent crime of drug use. Youll hear a resounding no. Ask the face become generation if they want to bail out too big to fail banks with their tax dollars, youll hear a hell no. John i like the second two points, but if facebook generation could detect falseness, they would not be giving their information to farm apps. At the end of the day it shows how completely out of touch he is with young people and the millennial generation. John i dont know,. I disagree. I disagree. I think that john mccain made a big mistake picking on rand paul for trying to appeal to college libertarians. He knows exactly what hes doing. John in fairness john mccain was lifting somebody elses line when did he it. Karl why do you think that jeb would not want to be part of the poll this year. I think jeb bush is looking at the situation here. He knows that he stuck his foote in his mouth not two weeks ago when he flip flopped on immigration reform. I think hell play it safe until he has to get aggressive. I think he still has another year or two before he has to do that even if he ends up running. John i agree. I think he will end up running because hell have the best fundraising apparatus in place and it will be he and crisisy. Christie doesnt have a snowballs chance in new jersey of winning the republican nomination. Hell be the Rudy Giuliani chance. Chris christie still speaks the truth for a lot. In new jersey. In iowa they elect people like Pat Robertson and pat buchanan. John mitt romney was hated by twothirds of that primary party and still got through. He was prolife he was against gay marriage. Chris christie is the least positive on gay marriage. John hes against gay marriage and abortion rights. He could get back there quickly. John he doesnt hate muslims enough. They do dont like that. What does it say about the resist in the party, alexis that these two guys were not invited and trump was . I think its interesting. You have a sector of the party that knows that theyre to blame for 2012. So that they aretheyre kind of like doubling down on crazy. And theyre trying to reinforce their position because they know whoever the candidate is will have to move a little bit to the left of them. John okay, rick, speaker is coming up. Mitt romney, sarah palin, donald trump. Are these three people irrelevant so far as the party. Obviously theyre irrelevant. I want tickets to all of them. John thats why theyre not irrelevant. There is a difference between a freak show and being politically relevant. Bob mcdonald is relevant in the sense that he could appeal to some people but not necessarily a serious candidate in 2016. He would not sell tickets. But he is relevant. John i think its going to come down to who is as good of a public speaker as Hillary Clinton in 2016. Thats w