>> stephanie: hot brie. >> yes but also -- >> stephanie: i forget. >> piers morgan. >> really? >> stephanie: that's right. we went out to lunch. i saw piers morgan. i said hello. i see you in hair and makeup all the time at cnn. >> you didn't go like this, did you? >> stephanie: yes like i had a puppet on. no, i did not. we have lots of healthcare news. we'll do a healthcare corner with jacki later. here she is, jacki schechner. >> good morning, everybody. hope everybody had a good holiday. president obama just updated his schedule for the day. he's holding a meeting with senior officials and cabinet members next hour. which will reportedly lay out his plans for smarter government and then give a speech on his new management agenda just before noon. the white house says the president's going to talk about a three-pronged approach, better smarter and faster delivery of government services, saving money and then also making some government data more transparent who helped private industry to create jobs and solve problems. secretary of state john kerry won't be there. he is instead with his wife at massachusetts general hospital in boston. teresa heinz kerry was rushed to nantucket cottage hospital yesterday afternoon and arrived there in critical condition. she then was transferred to boston where she remains in critical but stable condition today. no official word yet on how she fell ill but the a.p. reports she may have suffered a seizure. john and teresa heinz kerry have been married since 1995. in 2009, heinz kerry diagnosed and treated for breast cancer. undergoing two lumpectomies. she's 74 years old. former new york governor and current tv host eliot spitzer will make a run at politics again. he's hoping voters will forgive his past indiscretion and pick him to be new york city comptroller. he's got just a little bit of time. he's got to collect at least 3,750 signatures from registered democrats by thursday in order to get on the primary ballot by september. we're back after the break. this show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal, or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i'm given to doing anyway, by staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. 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[ screaming ] >> i was in san francisco over the weekend. luckily, i drove. did not fly into sfo. >> probably wise. >> seoul first and then go to san francisco. >> stephanie: now arriving gate nine, gate ten gate 12. >> a lot of the passengers had road rash from being dragged. >> the whole tail fell off. >> apparently the tail hit like the wall along the ocean and broke off. >> stephanie: yikes. >> the good news was it was easy to get out from that part. [ buzzer ] >> i've heard this morning that the inflatable slides deployed inside the plane and trapped the flight attendants underneath them. a lot of things went wrong with this flight. >> stephanie: happy 4th of july everybody. seven minutes after the hour. big show as usual today. rude pundit, eric boehlert and current tv's jacki schechner. i don't know how we got that booking. i hung out with her half the weekend. i worked her over. lots of healthcare news and other news. where do we start here? by the way here's what i spent part of my 4th of july doing is playing playing with siri. >> drinking? >> you don't have any other friends? >> stephanie: other than jacki, no. >> siri is her only friend. >> stephanie: here is my new game. hang on. siri are you helping the nsa spy on me? >> i'm sorry. stephanie, i'm's -- i'm afraid i can't answer that. >> stephanie: hang on. siri, can you locate my civil liberties? >> i've never really thought about it. >> stephanie: of course you haven't. of course you haven't. that was a different answer than she gave the last time. all right. yeah, this is -- there is a story in "the new york times" over the weekend. troubling. it is troubling i must say. [ ♪ hypnotic ♪ ] i'm troubled. >> stephanie: it is troubling in general. in secret, the court vastly broadens powers of nsa. who read that? anybody? bueller? bueller? [ crickets chirping ] well, this is the problem. >> can't tell you why. it's a secret. >> stephanie: exactly. like siri. evasive. exactly. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] more than a dozen classified rulings, the nation's surveillance court has created a secret body of long giving the as a matter of fact to amass vast collections of data on americans while pursuing not only terrorism suspects but people involved in espionage and cyber attacks. although you do want that look. i mean you know what i'm saying. >> it is almost endless. they can expand it. however they want. >> stephanie: are you engaged in nuclear proliferation? are you being evasive? >> potential to be abused like nobody's business. >> stephanie: the rulings reveal the court has taken on a much more expansive role by establishing important judicial precedence with almost no public scrutiny. but see, this is why this is hard. >> fisa court just a rubber stamp. okay. whatever. >> stephanie: i love that. they said that a couple of fisa judges being told they're rubber stamped probably because -- >> they're a rubber stamp. >> stephanie: the rulings the fisa court -- we know what it is. was once mostly focused on improving case by case wiretapping orders but since major changes in legislation and greater judicial oversight of intelligence operations were instituted six years ago it has quietly become a parallel supreme court. serving as ultimate arbiter on surveillance issues and delivering opinions that will shape intelligence practices for years to come. so this is -- it is a debate that we have said we should be having but you know, a lot of this -- there is more oversight than there was under bush. they are doing it with warrants but i agree with you chris. >> potential for abuse. lots of it. >> stephanie: the jums have expanded the use in legal principle known as special needs doctrines that carved out an exception to the requirement of a warrant for searches and seizures. it seems like a legal stretch according to one national security law expert at syracuse university. >> eliminating the fourth amendment, it is a bit of a stretch. >> stephanie: they're not eliminating it. it is a stretch legally. unlike the supreme court, the fisa court hears from one court in the case. findings are almost never made public. >> that's a problem. >> for the defense we don't have a defense. >> it is not a court if they only hear from one side. a court hears from both sides. >> stephanie: a single judge signs most surveillance orders which totaled nearly 1800 last year. none of the requests from the intelligence agencies were denied. according to the court the judges have had to interview when private internet and phone companies which provide much of the data have raised concerns that the government is overreaching in its demands for records and the government reports it has inadvertently collected more data than was authorized. the court has repeatedly ordered them to destroy phone data that was improperly collected. i mean -- >> who's monitoring that? >> stephanie: right. it is -- obviously -- i guess that's oversight. the judges have concluded the mere collection of this meta data that we've been talking about acts like the time of phone calls and numbers dialed but not the content of conversations does not violate the fourth amendment as long as the government establishes a reasonable agreement. the basic idea is that it is okay to create this huge pond of data but you have to establish a reason stick your pole in the water and start fishing. the court has indicated while individual pieces of data may not appear relevant, the total picture may in fact be relevant. >> to which joe was talking about. joe wilson. might be connected to someone -- terror watch list and you know, guilty by association. >> stephanie: a professor of constitutional velocity was affected by the american justice system. >> you can't deal with all classified information in a public court right? the fisa justices had criticism. rubber stamped but the government speaking out to say thy apply rigger. the fisa court's presiding judge recognize the potential benefit of better informing the public will the court's decision but there are serious obstacle doing so because the potential of misunderstanding caused by omitting classified details. the problem is you can't make public all classified details or they're not classified anymore. but if you -- i think what he's saying is if you release part of the picture, it is not the whole picture but you can't release the whole picture without classified data. keith alexander, nsa director was pressed to the senate version in june, only pledged to try to make the decisions public. he said i don't want to jeopardize the security of americans by making a mistake and saying yes we're going to do all of that. so obviously some more details that came out that are troubling. [ ♪ hypnotic ♪ ] i'm troubled, jim. i don't want what to do. >> i'm troubled by the fact that nobody argues the other side of these fisa courts. >> there is no other side. >> stephanie: it is the spy nsa. ♪ ♪ young man ♪ ♪ you can't stay there and in russia won't find any way to have a good time ♪ ♪ it's time to quit as a spy nsa ♪ ♪ it's time to start with your trial ♪ ♪ they can everything, you have said on the phone, you can hang up and wait for your drone ♪ ♪ ate time to start with the nsa ♪ >> stephanie: thank you rocky mountain mike. >> the big facility in utah goes online in september. suck out even more. >> stephanie: when i was on vacation, this is a perfect example of how cattywampas this whole debate is. when you have glenn beck and michael moore whatever. so i was hiking with a guy that is a liberal -- a huge rachel maddow fan. we got to talking about snowden. we both agreed he's not necessarily a hero and blah, blah blah. so -- but then we're hiking. he said well i think we ought to send in a drone and attack him out. [ buzzer ] i was like wow now you've lost me. i'm like wait a minute. you agree with me to some degree on the snowden thing. >> oh, boy. >> stephanie: okay. i was a little like. [ scooby-doo's "huh?" ] someone is to the right of me on the nsa thing. so that explains the whole thing, right? [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> stephanie: where is he now by the way? ecuador, venezuela still in the moscow airport but we don't know where he's going. >> nobody knows. >> he's in a tom hanks movie. >> if we knew, we would drop a drone on him. >> stephanie: exactly. not the volleyball movie the one where he's in the airport. >> "the terminal." >> he could end up on an island. >> wilson! >> he could end up like the pilot he played in "catch me if you can." that wasn't him. >> leo dicaprio. >> stephanie: did i just outsource my job of getting movie references wrong to you? >> stephanie: we continue. rude pundit coming up as we continue on "the stephanie miller show". >> announcer: call stephanie now. she's easy. 1-800-steph-12. compelling true stories. (kaj) jack, how old are you? >> nine. (adam) this is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. (vo) with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines. way inside. 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[ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> good news for a change. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: because she's getting -- she wants to run for senate. except there's one problem is there's a guy who is already a republican senator that's already there and he's not retiring. but she is -- >> she's trying to push him out. >> stephanie: right. >> sometimes guys have accidents. they fall off of the top of the hancock. they fall off of the top of the grand tetons. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: tule a friend of dick cheney. he may invite him hunting. >> that never ends well! >> stephanie: right. >> no, not my finger. >> stephanie: this is the only story that made me happy over the weekend. in wyoming, liz cheney run worries g.o.p. ms. cheney is showing up everywhere in the state. my friend goes she's nasty like her daddy. she's made it clear she wants to run for the senate now held by michael enzi a soft spoken republican and one time fly-fishing partner of her father's but her move threatens to start a civil war within the state's republican establishment. fight, fight fight! >> stephanie: mr. enzi said he's not ready to retire. it would bring about the destruction of the republican party in wyoming if she decides to run. he said it is a disaster and all it does is open the door for democrats for 20 years. [ ♪ nah nah nah nah nah ♪ ] in wyoming. >> stephanie: i'm just picturing an election night 2016 when we see texas go blue for hillary. karl rove's head explodes on fox news and then wyoming goes blue. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> we would need a lot of windex after all of the times that karl rove's head explodes. >> stephanie: exactly. mr. enzi, "the new york times" says is known as a studious low-key legislator who worked well with senator ted kennedy. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] can't have that! he avoids political talk shows because he says their goal is to get guests to beat up on their colleagues. wow! you don't need him and the republican party. you need that -- what's her name? liz cheney. [ applause ] >> stephanie: wyoming residents have seen more of mr. cheney since his daughter moved back to the state. he made news last month for accepting governor's invitation to represent in the antelope hunt. any opportunity to kill a defenseless animal. >> i like to kill stuff. >> i can't eat them anymore but i like to kill them. it's my thing. >> stephanie: just for fun. ms. cheney's broader line of attack is that he's too willing to work with democrats and is not vocal enough in purfing conservative -- in pushing conservative causes. he's called president obama the most radical man to ever possess the oval office. [ whatever! ] >> dare say dick cheney was the most radical man to ever occupy the oval office. well, he kind of did. >> stephanie: the only reason mr. enzi would see difficult is because there is a weird group of republicans that say it is akin to communism. all right. so good news there. fight, fight fight fight. 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>> 50. >> you've got to be kidding. >> i wonder what her secret is. >> stephanie: it is the "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 34 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. >> the rude pundit. ♪ ooh papa, papa, papa who ♪ >> stephanie: good morning papa. >> good morning. >> stephanie: how are you this morning, sir? >> oh, you know, i'm a little hinky this morning. don't know if it was the whiskey, the ham or visit to a certain restaurant chain i won't mention because they might advertise with you. >> does it rhyme with schnappel bees? >> i didn't degrade myself that much. >> stephanie: i read about your festive 4th of july celebration in new york. >> it was lovely and annoying at the same time. >> stephanie: as is america. >> exactly. exactly. >> stephanie: so you write about the -- well, random thoughts about the nsa's secrets and snowden. man, it's exciting. where will nsa leaker edward snowden end up? will he end up at t.g.i.friday's at the moscow airport? does he have access to shampoo? tell us more about his plea bargain deal offers and his attempts to find country to take him. tell us more because the more we hear about edward snowden the fugitive from the butt hurt u.s. government the less we have to grapple with the documents. we were talking about a piece in "the new york times" this weekend that it is -- you know, in terms of what the nsa is doing, it is more troubling the more we hear about it. >> sure, sure. that fisa piece was definitely something -- what it tells us is that there is this -- i guess this little cloak of legality that's on top of whatever surveillance is being done. but yeah, it's just troubling that there's never been anything that they've rejected. certainly not in the obama administration when it comes to surveillance. and that it has expanded what surveillance can be. and the definition of surveillance. >> stephanie: you know, it feels like a circular argument. i was saying you know, i was talking about being on vacation and talking to a guy who is a liberal rachel maddow fan who thinks snowden is a traitor and said we should send in a drone and take him out. >> based on what? >> stephanie: that's what i'm saying rude. these are people -- we've got people on both sides -- michael moore and glenn beck agreeing that snowden's a hero. where do you fall on all of this stuff? it is hard -- go ahead. >> well, you know, i will say to an extent, i kind of don't give a crap about snowden at this point. you know, first of all any information that he was going to give he's given already. there's nothing else he can do. he is not any kind of active -- even if you want to call him a traitor, he's not an active traitor right now. so i'm more concerned with what do we do now that we know and i've said before, there's a big difference between saying yeah, you know, i kind of figured that everybody's listening to my conversations when i call another country or whatever. and knowing to really knowing that's what's going on. that's what's being collected. you have no say whatsoever. you can't find out if they're doing it. and the power and the cases that they used to do that, you can never know what it is that made them do it. >> stephanie: how do we deal with security with classified data? i'm just asking, i'm not trying to be provocative. what do we do if not a fisa court. how would we do this in this technological age do you think? >> i don't think -- you know, that to me is the discussion. do we -- are we -- now that we know that there is this giant pool of data that's being collected, constantly, we're talking about trillions and trillions of visas of information that are being collected and stored. are we okay with it? and what do -- yeah, you're right. that is a question. what are the alternatives? i would say that you need to go back to, you know, to a more direct -- a more direct court order saying you know, okay, you can look for information on this person. rather than, you know, randomly looking at everybody's everything and trying to figure it out. >> stephanie: you know, jim and i were just talking about the part that's troubling to people is in the fisa court only the government presents -- that's all they hear from. there is no other side. >> there's no defense. >> stephanie: but as in regard to national security, rude, how could you go through an open court, regular process that would take however long? that's what i'm not sure what the solution is. >> well, first of all warrants don't take that long. everybody makes a big deal. there's judges on speed dial, you know. that can give a warrant if you've got some information. the other scary thing is about the court is that there's -- it is just john roberts appointing the judges for 7-year terms. there's no oversight. nobody has any other say. it is just whoever roberts says. and there's no appeal beyond the secret appeals court which i think has heard something like three case or something. in the history of fisa. so you know, there is no appeal to the supreme court. it is everything that is done is done in secret. even if we have a secret appeal to the supreme court at least we would know that there is the checks and balances with things that we understand. we don't understand how -- how it operates. >> stephanie: the tough part about that article is saying that fisa has become a parallel supreme court. that's not how we set things up in this country. of. >> no. that's the frightening part. again, you know, people go to extremes as a way of using analogies, you know. they say this is like the soviet union. i don't know if anybody's moderating their behavior in any way or changing what they do because of this. but you know, i don't know. there's nothing i can think that i would change in my daily habits about this. >> watch what you say. >> right. if somebody's recording a conversation, maybe i'll just drop the word jihad in every phone conversation i have because if i don't show up one week, you'll know what happened. >> stephanie: that's what you say unless you have a three hour radio show, then you have to fill time. >> maybe if everyone put jihad in every third word in their conversations, they would give up. too much chatter. >> the whole -- whatever place they're storing all of this would blow up. your storage facility -- where are they opening if? in they've? in nevada? >> utah. >> stephanie: like when kevin kline says they're guy. if we all just say jihad all the time. >> is everybody gay! >> stephanie: see now you can't discriminate. >> stephanie: rude you know, as it relates to snowden though, here's where i take issue with you -- you write the snowden chronicles and to a lesser extent the irrelevant glen greenwald is such a [ bleep ]-hole attacks are an enormous distraction from the real stories spying on americans without suspicion or warrant which is the rude pundit has said repeatedly, something that deserves the debate. director of national intelligence james clapper lying to congress and if these things don't matter to you, especially those of you on the left side of the political wall, if you think security has been compromised or some such [ bleep ], that hasn't been demonstrated at all congratulations, you're finally on the side of george w. bush. dick cheney and other assorted war criminals. [ buzzer ] well, now you've gone too far. now you're calling me a war criminal, rude pundit. >> no, no. i'm not saying you're a war criminal. i'm just saying that you believe something that war criminals believe. we all believe things that terrible people believe. you know. >> schnitzel is delicious. >> dick cheney supports gay marriage. i'm on dick cheney's side. >> stephanie: something you snuck in. snowden is no longer an active traitor. do we excuse traitors then? >> i don't believe he's a traitor at all. i'm saying if we're going to use -- no, i don't. i think the pursuit of snowden is a distraction. i think that the media has bought into the distraction because it is easier to talk about where will edward snowden end up than it is to grapple with this massive diversion into american's privacy. >> stephanie: a lot of the countries that -- that are either offering asylum or talking about it it is to stick it to the u.s. right? >> sure, sure. absolutely. just like the u.s. would stick it to the soviet union or to china back in the day. or any of the soviet satellite states. you know, i think that -- >> stephanie: if he's saying i'm trying to do this to help americans, how is talking to our allies or -- >> bradley manning has done things that should be -- >> stephanie: we're not talking about bradley manning. we're talking about snowden. >> we don't know what snowden -- >> stephanie: right. >> know what bradley -- >> stephanie: how is him mucking up our relations with china or god knows what other country, how is that helping americans? it seems like -- >> i don't believe it's not. it's not. but neither is part of the nsa revelation. part of the revelations are that the u.s. has been collecting data on brazil, for instance. that's something else that greenwald wrote about. that's not helping u.s. relations either. you know, some of the stuff is, you know, it is like oh, gee really? we've been spying on china? >> germany apparently. >> let me tell you germany freaks out over this kind of stuff. >> they've had a bad experience with this. >> yeah, they did. germany actually stopped microsoft from mapping -- doing sort of google street map thing that microsoft was going to do. they threatened to arrest everybody involved if they kept doing -- kept photographing their streets. so germany takes this crap seriously. >> stephanie: i agree with them. google maps is creepy. at least we have come to some sort of magical meeting of the minds. >> how is the nsa thing different than google maps, you know. it is randomly riding around. if you're there you know, if you happen to be sunbathing without pants at that moment, then i guess somebody would -- >> stephanie: something the rude pundit says. >> just on my stomach. just on my stomach. >> stephanie: i will leave you with that visual. love you rude. see you next week. >> bye. 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(vo) she's joy behar. >>current will let me say anything. ♪ >> so we got boom boom and way o. >> stephanie: okay. 51 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number. toll free from anywhere. >> you okay? >> stephanie: never mind. okay. let's see. paula writes steph -- >> you're not supposed to breathe your own spit. >> stephanie: oh that's what it was. >> somebody else's spit, that's fine. that's do-able. >> stephanie: enough about my weekend. snowden gave foreign country classified u.s. information. isn't that what a traitor does? paula asking. >> well, what we know. what do we know? >> stephanie: he did do that. >> he let them know our methods. >> stephanie: how do you live in a world -- wherever you fall on this issue you're like oh, yeah, that's okay. whether it is valerie plame's identity or whatever. >> i'll tell you what's not okay. bradley manning was reporting on war crimes and he's not allowed to mention war crimes in his defense. so there is no defense. they're probably going to kill him. >> stephanie: jim, do we pass a law saying it is not a crime to leak classified information? no matter who you are. >> there are different kinds of classified information. some of it is stuff we should know. we should know what's going on. >> stephanie: who elected edward snowden is my point to decide that. >> not even talking about snowden. >> stephanie: i'm not arguing arguing with you about that. >> the conversation isn't about bradley manning. the conversation is about edward snowden. >> because i know something about him. >> it is a different conversation though. >> stephanie: jay in pasadena. hello, jay. >> just want to comment on nsa. >> yes. >> i voted for obama but in bush words, anybody could be a terrorist. anybody. so if you decide to do anything funny, guess what. you're going to jail. plain and simple. that's how bush will put it. he will leave it at that. with snowden, all of this happened when eric holder decided not to resign. then all of this stuff blew up because of holder. all of the reporters are just scared. that's all it is. all the reporters are just scared. they stringing snowden along. now he got caught up because it didn't work out. now he's stuck. and that's it. i mean you know, there's nothing else you can say about it. >> stephanie: maybe i'm missing your point. had what do you mean there's nothing you can say about it? >> caller: the nsa thing anybody could be a terrorist. anybody. just like clapper, they tried to get -- it was all -- it was all -- when they had clapper on the stand, they already knew because they wanted holder to resign. clapper, he didn't give up the information that they wanted. basically, he had been spilling the beans. he didn't lie. he didn't want to say the secrets of what was going on because they came with the little shady little way of doing it. just trying to expose information and then that didn't happen. then holder didn't resign. so then they just blew it all out of proportion. >> stephanie: yes. his answer was somewhat clinnesque. let me say at best. >> to put it nicely. >> stephanie: mike in ft. lauderdale, hi mike. >> caller: hi, steph hi, mooks. i wanted to say if we keep hearing how the u.s. hasn't kept up with technology, i think they've done a very good job. i'm quite impressed. they're listening to everyone's phone call in the world. >> mm-hmm. >> pretty much. >> caller: so i mean -- isn't it funny -- if we had taken that money and,energy and put it toward scholars, then i think we would have been much better off. >> stephanie: if we put the money into what? >> caller: taken the money out of what we had put into the nsa and the 1.5 million people that run this machine. this huge thing the government has created in technology. stephanie miller show can buy a computer. they can track back anybody they want. can't afford it. but anyway -- >> we haven't sold enough carbonite to afford that. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: and a couple of go to meetings. let's go to kevin in maine. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi kev. >> caller: hello. >> stephanie: hello. >> caller: long-time fan and first time caller. i would like to make a clear comment about the nsa. ever since i emigrated to this country, i'm originally from canada i came right before the 9-11 attacks. >> good timing. >> caller: i kind of noticed ever since the war on terrorism started and especially now since all of the revelations came about the nsa i've noticed that everybody on the right and to the center right of the political spectrum has been so quick to throw out being willing to -- our constitutional rights, the first amendment in the name of the terrorism. if they read history, there was an enemy far more deadly than any terrorist organization. the russians. we never threw out the fourth and first amendment for them. we don't know that the terrorists have the ability to -- we did know that the russians could nuke every american city. and had the ability and were tried of it. we didn't degrade ourselves by destroying the constitution under the bus just for the russians. why are we doing it for the terrorists. i don't know if snowden is a real traitor or not but why are we -- why are we beating ourselves up for an enemy that is really lesser than the russians? >> stephanie: i get your point. why are we hitting ourselves? >> because we do that as well as a nation. >> stephanie: elvis in madison, wisconsin. >> caller: hey. i think we should line up a little bit about the nsa. serious stuff. it is personal. when the nsa says that we're -- very concerned about letting out the secrets to the enemy by the enemy, they just mean jim ward. >> stephanie: of course. exactly. thank you for that. jan in michigan. let's cover for jim for a minute. jihad, jihad jihad. jan in michigan. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi jan. >> caller: hi. first time caller also. love your show. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: i was talking with your assistant and i said you know they're talking about germany, basically being all right with this. >> nope. >> caller: i'm a obama supporter. i think that he hasn't done everything right but i think that he is really trying. if the republicans would meet him halfway, we would probably have a lot of progress in this country. the bottom line is though, there are a lot of people in germany the skinheads and things, neo-nazi movements i'm sure that the kind of tapping he's doing there they're probably asking him to use his network to do it. and i think there's other countries probably even putin in russia who want to stick his chest out there and act like he's so anti-american but there's more cooperation going on there. >> stephanie: okay. i think i'm still drunk from the weekend. i don't think i understood one caller's point this hour. jacki's healthcare corner next on "the stephanie miller show." >> stephanie: hour number two. jacki schechner you will not believe who we have booked this hour. >> who? >> stephanie: you! >> me? did you call my people? did your people call my people? >> stephanie: i did. i did. they ok'd it. >> okay, good to know. >> stephanie: because we get a lot of ask jackies. we have -- when my mailbag gets full, we have to -- [ explosion ] there is important stuff happening. >> i'm going to do a little bit of it in this little news break. we'll revisit it again. >> stephanie: because it is important stuff. holiday weekend. some stuff we may have missed. in the meantime, here she is before her corner in the news rectangle, jacki schechner. >> it is the rhombus. good morning everybody. if releasing news on a friday afternoon is considered trying to bury it then what do we call releasing news on a friday afternoon on a holiday? doesn't look so good. this past friday the department of health and human services published new rules regarding among other things, the state health insurance exchanges that are going to be up and running for enrollment october 1st. for washington, d.c. and the 16 states that are going to run their own exchanges, the administration will not require verification that someone doesn't already have the option of getting health insurance through work. the rule says until 25-- 2015, the applicant's word is good enough. the new rule allows leeway as to what someone reports is his or her income which determines whether or not that person will receive government help in paying for their health insurance -- through their health insurance fees. there is a penalty for fraud if you lie on your health insurance exchange form. you'll have to pay up to $25,000 and you would have to pay back subsidies you received illegally. but even health reform advocates tell "the washington post" this latest adjustment is not a great sign. it says the administration is low on resources and is having to triage. in other news, texas governor rick perry is going to announce his political future plans today at a caterpillar dealership in san antonio, texas. the question is whether or not he'll run for a fourth term or try again for a president. perry already is the state's longest serving governor. at the same time, the texas state senate is busy today. it is holding a public hearing on the abortion ban once again that wendy davis successfully filibustered just two weeks ago. we're back after the break. but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think there is any chance we'll ever hear the president even say the word "carbon tax"? 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[ laughter ] >> stephanie: sorry. all right. so let's start with this letter. i have a healthcare question for jacki. my husband switched jobs in october and our healthcare has gone from bad to worse. only one doctor takes this plan and this clinic is 25 miles away. we cannot see our family doctor less than five miles away that we have a good relationship with. can we get better healthcare on the plan. is that an option? when i go on the web site, i get a headache. thanks nurse jacki. >> well. >> stephanie: well. >> before last friday i would have said it depends on the state she lives in because you have to prove you can't get health insurance through work. i just reported in my little news update, on friday, the administration released a whole new set of rules and it says basically for the next year or so, d.c. and the 16 states that are going to run their own exchanges don't have to verify whether or not somebody gets insurance through work. that they're just going to take your word for it. it is not ideal. >> stephanie: idea they do this? they're saying that you know, it acknowledges the exchanges need extra time to get their verification systems in place. >> yeah. what it is turning out to be. it is a heavy lift. and not everything is happening as quickly as i think the administration would like it to be. i think resources are lower than they need to be. i think that we talk about too much government and you know, too many people in government and this is one of the situation where is we with need more resources. we don't have enough people and not enough resources to get this done as quickly as it needs to be done, frankly. >> stephanie: i heard somebody on one of the sunday shows making the same point you make. something this big what is it, 17% of our -- >> 20 at this point. >> stephanie: it is going to be messy. getting it implemented as you've said. >> of course. look, i'm a big proponent of getting something done when it comes to healthcare reform. these sorts of things don't look good from a p.r. perspective. we said it when we found out two weeks ago that they were going to delay any sort of penalties for employers with more than 50 employees not contributing if they're employees go out on to the exchanges. now, another delay in any sort of requirements is just adding on to that. it just gives opponents of reform ammunition. the facts are still there. everything's going to work. it is just a downside of this. i have to be honest about it because i don't feel comfortable sugar coating it. people are going to get government subsidies if you make between 100% and 400% of the poverty level you'll get help paying for your health insurance. if you fudge what you make or you fudge whether or not you have access to employer health insurance, you're essentially stealing from the taxpayers because you're going to use money that shouldn't be allocated to people who don't need it. there is a fine. up to $25,000 fine if you lie on your application and you're going to have to pay the money back. but it is wasteful if you think about how many people may try to take advantage of the system and there are a lot of people who do, including people who are opponents of reform. same people who steal from medicare who say we shouldn't have government healthcare. >> stephanie: i also heard somebody on one of the sunday shows talking about -- i think you've made this point. i don't know the exact numbers but we should keep in mind what a small percentage this is. as you were saying, what is it? 98% of us get health insurance. what i'm saying is this is still a very small percentage of people that will be affected by this. >> here's the thing. people are using the exchanges. we're talking about people who apply for health insurance on their own now. people in the individual market who don't get access to health insurance through work. or people -- that's really what it is now. small businesses who don't have access to discounted plans. or individuals. and those are the people who will be using the state-based exchanges. the problem is if someone like what's her name, donna? >> stephanie: brenda. >> i'm sorry. someone like brenda whose husband's insurance isn't very good, may look for an alternative to get better insurance which may mean going out on the exchange and it may not be something she's technically allowed to do because she does have the option of his insurance through his work. but if his insurance is crappy for lack of a better word, they may look for that. since it won't be double checked, at least not in the short term it may be worth it for them. >> stephanie: one of the frustrating things i know, because you obviously were part of getting this done in the first place is you know, i think it was again someone on the sunday shows talking about the environment that there is in washington. you know, in any normal kind of environment where people would work together congressionally to fix things, you know what i mean, you could do fixes like this. the problem is there has been such a solid wall of obstruction on healthcare in general you know, and as we're seeing on the state by state level with republican governors, you know, i think -- the point someone was making in a more perfect world you get in there together and make the legislative fixes to try to make this work with for all americans. >> legislative fixes on this level require somebody losing money. right? it is a profit. our healthcare industry is totally profit-based. you're talking about hospitals making money because they overcharge. insurance companies making money because they overcharge. you're talking about healthcare providers making money. medical device manufacturers. we're a huge economic industrial complex in our healthcare industry here in the united states. and all of these companies contribute money to politicians. so any politician who gets in there and tries to make the system work by bringing down costs and the cutting into -- end up cutting into somebody's profits. people making profits will fight vehemently against that. >> stephanie: you were out to lump with us this weekend with my new canadian friends we met on vacation. and you know, when you get talking about healthcare, they literally go we don't -- i don't -- the whole for profit thing. >> it makes a lot of sense from a -- if you want to talk about a capitalist profit-driven compassionless motivation. you know. it makes a lot of sense. you're making some of money as humanly possible. it is why health insurance companies have monopolies in most states. they compete against each other to see how much they can charge you. they're not competing for customers and trying to keep their price down because you need healthcare. >> stephanie: so far -- so far, we've gotten good news on that front right? out here in california and elsewhere in terms of the exchanges and when they do have to compete right? >> right. we've gotten news when they set up the exchanges that the competition is actually going to help to drive down prices. but i just -- you know, the problem is it is a heavy lift. there are a lot of little nuts and bolts that need to go into place to make the whole machine work as smoothly as possible. i don't know that pushing it off, we pass this in 2010, it doesn't feel like four years but we're coming up on four years. pushing anything back an extra year while we may need to buy some time isn't the best strategy because it is giving people an opportunity to say see, we told you. that's not what we need right now. we need people to say let's work together. >> stephanie: you won't expect anyone to say why thank you for your flexibility mr. president. how might we help? all right. scott in albuquerque you're on with jacki. go ahead. >> caller: i think you may have answered my question already. i get insurance through my employer and we have two kids. we could save a lot of money if we excluded them from our policy and let them go on to the exchange. they're in college so they don't make a whole lot of money. is that allowed? do they have to get their insurance through my employer? >> no. i think they can stay on your plan if you want them to but once they're independent if they're filing taxes on their own and they're individuals they're welcome to go out on the exchanges and search for health insurance on their own. i would imagine they would have some sort of insurance through school. >> yeah, it's available. >> that's usuallily an option. i would have to look up whether or not it is available through school. whether that's the same thing available through your employer. but you know, they're not required to stay on your plan. they have the option of staying on your plan. usually that's good for kids just out of college and want a good job. that may or may not offer benefits that early on. >> okay. so it may -- depend on their dependent status, is that what you're saying? >> all of this is going to end up getting filed by the i.r.s. in terms of whether or not you need health insurance and whether or not you claim them as dependents that, kind of thing. >> stephanie: i don't have kids, i would say you're extra baggage on mommy and me. we want to go on vacations. >> we would save several hundred dollars a month. >> that's a lot of money. >> it is a lot of money. if they can find good health -- you have to consider what kind of coverage they're going to get. that's important. if upof with your children has a pre-existing condition, these are things covered -- these are things to consider. what would the benefits be. >> stephanie: okay. rob in massachusetts, you're on with jacki. hi rob. >> caller: hi, how you doing? my wife, we live in massachusetts. she works in new hampshire. and health insurance is like over $300 a week. i'm just wondering is it going to get any better in the future? for obamacare? >> it should. a week is exorbitant. that's a tremendous amount of money. it should. once there's more competition within the marketplace. it should be much more affordable. i would imagine, too a lot of times, especially for women we're being charged a lot more for the same benefits that men get, especially i would say women of childbearing age. >> yeah, it is a family -- we have two kids. it would have been less. i think it just went up from $200 a week. >> they're trying to raise rates as quickly as possible once -- before the regulations kick in. >> oh, is that what it is? >> they're trying to get as much money as possible before they're regulated. i would imagine rates will go down once they set up the exchange and they start to take a look at what others are charging for the same benefits. you can't get any customers if you're charging more for the same thing. >> stephanie: okay. james in jersey. you're on with jacki. last one. >> caller: hi, i've got a question. say are you a full-time employee and your company offers healthcare. unfortunately, let's say they pay you low wages $10 an hour. you're making about $20,000 a year and to qualify -- let's say they want you to pay like $150 a week for family healthcare. i can't afford that. i'm only making $400 a week gross as it is. so you can't afford the healthcare even if you wanted to but if you go on the exchange, you don't get a subsidy because your employer offers healthcare. >> no, no. it has to be less than 9.5% of your income. i think it is 9.5%. you can't -- it can't be any more than that. >> caller: if you're only making $400 a week before any taxes are taken out what if you can't afford the 9%? >> they're going to have to decide whether or not it is affordable and if it is unaffordable, you can go out on the exchange. there is an option of applying for waivers. you can say look, i can't afford this. it is not compliant with my cost of living. i need to be able to have cheaper insurance. there will be waivers and exceptions. there will be a way to ask for it. >> would you qualify for medicaid? i was thinking about that. >> yeah, you'll have to make less than 135% of the poverty level to qualify for medicaid. that's where the cutoff is. if you make less than 135% of the poverty level you qualify for medicaid. >> stephanie: all right. jacki, great stuff. wow. lots of questions. that was like speed corner. >> yeah. it's true. as we get closer, there will be a ton of questions. healthcare.gov has a really good handy tool where you kind of click through and you put in your status and it answers some questions for you. it is not really that dizzying if you go to healthcare.gov and answer some questions. it it should help you out. >> stephanie: but then you don't get to talk to pretty nurse jacki. healthcare.gov is the web site. thank you. see you at the top of the hour. there she goes. jacki schechner. 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>> stephanie: i don't know. >> let the investigation play out. >> stephanie: that's what i was going to say. we don't know exactly what happened. we've been speculating this morning. was it sleepiness? but somebody was saying he was training and jim is like how about training with no passengers. maybe a simulator. the whole thing is -- what i couldn't believe is when you turn on the tv and saw that, the fact that only two people died was first of all incredible. there are six people in critical -- >> one of them died -- she was thrown out of the plane and then run over by an emergency vehicle rushing toward the plane which is like many kinds of awful. >> i thought it was a wind sheer which they discovered in texas where the winds suddenly changes. >> sfo airport is built on the bay side of the san francisco peninsula and if you ever saw a baseball game at candlestick park which is right near there the winds played horrible havoc with the balls that were being hit out of the park. planes are subject to those exact kind of winds at sfo. it is a horrible airport to fly into. >> stephanie: the emergency vehicle thing reminds me -- remember the horrible crash in the everglades a few years ago? hearing the stories of people that survived. then eaten by alligators. oy. >> stephanie: for some reason, the pilot lost control of the airplane's altitude in the final seconds. how terrifying if you're on board. there were survivors saying i thought things looked way too close than -- closer than they should have been. asiana airlines was voted best overall in 2012 by traveler magazine. the article reading how can an airline with such a stellar record come to grief where neither the weather or another airplane were involved. >> they don't know about the winds yet. >> stephanie: whether it was pilot error or not. >> i was there yesterday and it was a beautiful cloudless fogless, windless day. >> there's no wind. >> where i was is it inn the city. they have microclimates all over the place. could have been different down there. >> stephanie: the ntsb chairwoman. >> the approach speed was 137 knots and the question was whether or not we had the lowest speed that the crew achieved. i will tell you that the speed was significantly below 137 knots and we're not talking about a few knots. >> they were coming in too slow. >> stephanie: then we were saying didn't they ask for a do over but it was seven seconds -- >> it was 1.5 seconds before impact. >> stephanie: the ntsb chairwoman. >> the call from one of the crew members to increase speed was made approximately seven seconds prior to impact. a call to initiate a go around occurred 1.5 seconds before impact. >> stephanie: yeah. seems a skosh too late. >> well, you're supposed to flair about 1,000 yards into the runway. something like that. and they did that way too early obviously because the tail section hit the seawall and clipped it right off. >> stephanie: much more of the latest on this whole san francisco tragedy as we continue on "the stephanie miller show." >> did anyone tell the pilgrims they should self-deport? >> no, they said "make us a turkey and make it fast". >> (laughter). >> she gets the comedians laughing. >> that's the best! >> that's hilarious. >> ... and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there is wiggle room in the ten commandments is what you're telling me. >> she's joy behar. >> ya, i consider you jew-talian. >> okay, whatever you want. >> who plays kafka? >> who saw kafka? >> who ever saw kafka? >> (laughter). >> asking the tough questions. >> chris brown, i mean you wouldn't let one of your daughters go out with him. >> absolutely not. >> you would rather deal with ahmadinejad then me? >> absolutely! >> (singing) >> i take lipitor, thats it. >> are you improving your lips? >> (laughter). >> when she's talking, you never know where the conversation is going to go. >> it looks like anthony wiener is throwing his hat in the ring. >> his what in the ring? >> his hat. >> always outspoken, joy behar. >> and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? >> only on current tv. if you believe in state's rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think there is any chance we'll ever hear the president even say the word "carbon tax"? >> with an opened mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned great leadership so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter) >> cutting throught the clutter of today's top stories. >> this is the savior of the republican party? i mean really? >> ... with a unique perspective. >> teddy rosevelt was a weak asmatic kid who never played sports until he was a grown up. >> (laughter) >> ... and lots of fancy buzz words. >> family values, speding, liberty, economic freedom, hard-working moms, crushing debt, cute little puppies. if wayne lapierre can make up stuff that sounds logical while making no sense... hey, so can i. once again friends, this is live tv and sometimes these things happen. >> watch the show. >> only on current tv. >> announcer: stephanie miller. >> you're getting your own show. >> finally. i want to do it my way. classy and sophisticated. >> stephanie: 34 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. eric boehlert from media matters coming up at the top of the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number. john in hollywood florida. hey, john. >> caller: good morning. just kind of misspoke something. he was close but multiplied it by three. the six distance marker for touchdown is 1,000 feet beyond the runway threshold. >> 1,000 feet. >> caller: they crossed the flesh hold at 50 feet. three degrees flight path angle touchdown 1,000 feet later. he was below his target speed which was about 150 miles per hour. >> stephanie: john, in your -- >> caller: too slow is not good. >> stephanie: in your opinion how does this happen? could it have been pilot error inexperience? sleepiness? what do you think? >> fatigue is always a factionor. the real big issue is unfamiliarity with the aircraft. practice in a simulator -- i was an instructor. it is easy for people to get distracted or as you said, fatigue. but supposedly he wasn't the pilot flying. the more experienced pilot was flying but he was -- you need to have you are your second crew member say you're slow. you're low. the other pilot is supposed to say correcting, correcting with each of the things. they responded too late. >> stephanie: yeah. we were speculating obviously a long flight from seoul. it could have been fatigue. >> sfo is notoriously tough airport to fly into. >> but this is on a clear, blue day. you also have to realize that this is, you know, in your third flying lesson ef you're doing a visual approach into the airport lots of visual approaches because they fly into smaller airports. and they practice all the time. >> stephanie: john, to what degree is it a factor, chris was saying that sfo is water water water, runway. that's got to be a tougher landing. >> well, not really. it's tougher at night because you don't have any of the -- any other visual clues to it. boston logan airport is the same way. you're just in a dark, you know, it is a dark hole. and you don't -- you can't tell whether you're high or low. >> stephanie: this wasn't a factionor here because it was daytime. >> it was daytime. >> stephanie: let's go to kevin in d.c. >> caller: good morning, lovely stephanie. two quick shout outs! one to the person who e-mailed you about your sexy calf muscles. i was berating myself. i'm excited about that. get over yourself perv. he said he wants the legs wrapped around his back. thank you. >> stephanie: a meeting of the minds, all right. >> caller: second shoutout. worlds collide when sue in rockville had me over to her lovely home. your name may have come up a time or twice. she's the hottest grandma ever and possibly an even better kisser than you. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: wow. that's some sexy liberal visual candy. >> she's very lovely. you have brought together a very wide and very -- group of people. >> stephanie: she's a bit of a trollope. >> caller: i wanted to say quickly about the nsa thing and again saying that the nsa thing is bad and which we didn't have, jumping up and down screaming that water's wet when i just want to say just hearing jacki's corner now which reminds me because of so many other issues people's healthcare rights in general certainly my rights with what happened, the supreme court situation women's reproductive rights, i hope this one issue it is a very, very important issue but i hope this one issue does not make people throw up their hands and not -- and not -- and let what happened in 2010, a lot of things we wouldn't have to deal with because people for whatever reason didn't come out like they did in 2008. >> stephanie: exactly. imagine how much further we would be on healthcare if it we didn't have the entire tea party house caucus. >> caller: if nothing else, people for that -- your healthcare alone no matter how invincible you think you are if you're young, you're going to get old at one point. is it of it strikes me the stuff we talked about could have been solved with a public option which we we could have gotten if we had a different makeup in the congress. let's talk -- back to the plane crash. it is about -- what are we saying 180 injured. a lot of them very serious. six people in critical condition. >> two paralysis because of the broken backs. a lot of broken sternums. if you saw the photographs of the inside of the plane after the crash, the seat rows just pancaked together. >> stephanie: dr. at san francisco general. >> what we did see are patterns of large amounts of abdominal injuries, a huge amount of spine fractures, some which include paralysis. >> she was also saying there was a lot of road rash like if -- >> stephanie: people were dragged. >> she said it was as if a bunch of people came in who had motorcycle accidents at the same time. >> clearly the back of the plane. >> stephanie: here is a passenger. >> holding so tight and bang. the impact was so powerful. >> they have spinal cord injuries. >> stephanie: thank god they got them out. they were saying the evacuation was done very well because obviously there was fire. >> then the plane caught on fire. >> it was on the right side of the plane. >> which is why they use the chutes on the left. >> stephanie: if they had not gotten them out that quickly jim in vegas you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi jim. >> caller: her, stephanie. there were some things in error about what the flight instructor said. also what jim said. i've been into san francisco multiple times. i've been flying for 32 years. it is not a difficult airport to fly into. what happened and the chairwoman of the ntsb said that yesterday. they let their speed get too low. that induces a wing stall. don't confuse it with an engine stall. it is a wing stall. not enough air. it is going over the wing to keep the aircraft in the air. >> stephanie: didn't the head of the airline say it was not an engine problem? >> no. >> yes. >> he said that. >> but that doesn't give you the whole story. the only issue -- it is clear to any pilot what happened. they stalled the airplane. now, the only question is why. there is an auto landing on the 777 where the computer does it all but the pilot, the pilot in command still has the responsibility of monitoring that system. as the system screws up, then they can take over with the push of a button and manually fly the airplane and they can do that. the only issue is -- >> stephanie: is why. >> is why they didn't do that. it is not anything else. again, there is no micro-environments coming into sfo. i've done it too many times. there just isn't. >> came in with too steep angling of attack and too little speed and bam. >> stephanie: let's hope this isn't another drunk pilot story. >> i don't think so. >> stephanie: don't d'oh you take a little whiff of the cockpit? >> used to be you would smell cigarette smoke up there. the whole plane -- my wife used to be a flight attendant. flights to japan the air was just thick with cigarette smoke. smoking constantly. they had to go to the cockpit and breathe through the oxygen mask to keep from passing out. >> stephanie: a passenger on the flight as well. >> i was look out the window. i was just looking. it looked like we were about to land in the water. >> stephanie: can you imagine? the neighboring airline pilot and the san francisco control tower. >> we see people -- [ indiscernible ] >> he said people are walk outside the airplane right now. >> people are struggling. >> we have emergency vehicle responding. >> stephanie: i don't know what the footage you were watching but he said oh, my god about 25 times a row. >> the guy that was filming the landing. >> stephanie: right. crash witness on the ground. >> we heard a really loud boom. and before we knew it, the plane had come to a stop about 50 yards down. we heard a second loud boom or explosion and all of a sudden, we saw a lot of black smoke going back up into the sky. >> stephanie: ron in new york. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi ron. >> caller: it's don. i just wanted to ask you about this postponing. does that mean that employees don't have to pay for the insurance now? and the workers who used to have the insurance paid for, now they have to pay for it. and you just say -- >> stephanie: wait, what? >> caller: mandate for employers postponed. >> stephanie: has been postponed. right. >> caller: that means the employees have to pay for their own insurance for that year. >> they have before. employees pay for their own insurance now through their paychecks. >> 100% of it? >> nothing changes until the mandate goes through which has been pushed back a year. what are you talking about? >> caller: so for 2014 -- >> things stay the same. >> caller: if they're employers decide not to insure them because they don't have to -- >> stephanie: right. it will stay the same. >> exactly the same as it has been. >> stephanie: all right. it has been a long weekend. we did not spray the troll be gone. >> i don't think you can consider him a troll. he tried. >> it is a legitimate question. >> he thought he caught us. >> stephanie: eric cantor was trying to do this. the employers -- get every piece of the mandate. what about you? hashtag bitch face. 45 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> join the party. 1-800-steph-12. only on current tv! this show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i am given to doing anyway. staying in tough with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them, right? vo: the war room tonight at 6 eastern current tv is the place for true stories. with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines. real, gripping, current. documentaries... on current tv. >> what was the conclusion? what did the doctor say? >> what was the diagnosis? >> do i need to be worried? what? >> you have the clap? >> what? >> stephanie: 1-800-steph-12. >> don't just leave me hangin' like that. >> stephanie: 1-800-steph-12. it is time for good news, isn't it? 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free. >> when the doctor says you don't have so and so. that's good news. >> stephanie: okay. vivian says steph, my husband the engineer think it was a failure of the automatic landing system. regarding the san francisco crash. which depends on gps. the pilot must have been getting wrong data and realized the error too late. scott in oklahoma, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hey, scott. >> caller: how are you doing? >> stephanie: go ahead. >> caller: nobody mentions the air-traffic controllers because of the sequester maybe, i don't know. but the air-traffic controller should have known the airspeed and the elevation way before it was too late. >> stephanie: right. that will be the question. >> the air-traffic controllers are juggling a lot of balls at the same time. you can see how they might have -- might have missed that. >> stephanie: right. jim, you are a soccer fan. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] yikes, they take their soccer seriously. brazil referee decapitated after stabbing a player. wow! >> as you do. >> stephanie: yes. football spectator ins northern brazil decapitated a referee after he fatally stabbed a player for refusing to leave the pitch. as they call it. in soccer. an angry mob stormed the field -- an amateur game. they take the amateur sports seriously. stabbed the player to death. excuse me, they stoned the referee to death and then decapitated him. >> they quartered him and decapitated him. they left the quartered part out of the story. >> yeah. wow. >> stephanie: it started when the referee and player got into a fistfight after the player refused to leave the pitch. he pulled out a knife and then the stoning and -- [ whatever! ] >> stephanie: all right. so that happened. >> well, that's brazil. >> well, they were hooligans. >> stephanie: seems a little mild. soccer hooliganism for that particular story. >> stephanie: when the referee's head becomes the ball. >> that's beyond hooliganism. >> stephanie: just a skosh bit. in the aftermath of the supreme court marriage equality rulings this is -- am i way ahead -- i'm a good two to three minutes ahead of my time, aren't i? >> most of the time. >> stephanie: maybe this is good for the march toward equality because it will create a legal crazy quilt. and here it is. the first story in the l.a. times this weekend married same-sex couples uncertain about their taxes the defense of marriage act has been struck down but at issue is whether tax benefits will be granted in all 50 states or only state where is gay marriages are legal. somehow this is going to have to be fixed. same-sex couples and their tax advisers anxiously awaiting the obama administration to answer a key regulatory question when it struck down doma. at issue was whether legally married same-sex couples will receive equal tax and social security benefits or only in the 13 states where such americans are legal. it is a mess i tell you. the people in limbo are those who live in a state where their marriage is not recognized. said an accountant. the i.r.s. is discussing this but still up in the air. federal laws and regulations have differing laws for determining lawful marriage. while some look to the lawful american, others look to the law in the state of their current residence or domicile. this creates a complication that scalia highlighted in his dissent. he sometimes is inadvertently helpful, isn't he? image an pair of women who marry in albany and then move to alabama. >> i'm stuck in imagine the two women part. >> stephanie: sorry. move on, jim. married. honeymoon. there is the sex part in new york. >> i'm sure alabama has pictured two women together a whole lot. >> stephanie: that's probably why he wasn't paying teengts finer legal points. i'm sorry. what now? that would be funny if that actually happened. go back to the two girls again. >> like that penis pump judge. >> stephanie: right. oh yeah, that's it. that will be tough to figure out. okay. >> i would hand down my decision but my hands are busy right now. >> stephanie: my hands are down there. going back, imagine a pair of women who marry in albany, new york, then move to alabama which does not recognize any party of americans of the same sex. when the couple files their tax return, it may state law's controls. their state of celebration which recognizes the marriage or their state of domicile which does not. a mess. [ buzzer ] a mess i tell you. a coalition of gay rights groups put out after after doma advisory council. if you live in a state that discriminates against same-sex couples, the supreme court decision striking down part of doma does not mean your state must respect your marriage or that you will be eligible for all marriage-based federal benefits. legal morass is what i'm saying. >> other than that, how did you enjoy the play? >> stephanie: they urged the obama administration to adopt the benefits and they appear to have the president on their side. he said after the ruling, it is my personal believe i'm speaking as a president not as a lawyer if you're married in massachusetts and you move somewhere else, you're still married. let's hope that they figure this out sooner rather than later. by the way -- [ ♪ battle hymn of republic ♪ ] salon.com wrote a piece about scalia. scalia face to embrace true democracy. why is he mocking concern for the dignity of individuals? because he's a douche. in my opinion. on june 19th -- [ speaking spanish ] >> stephanie: he's a douche. on june 19, salon writes dignitaries gather to reveal a statue of frederick douglass. as it relates to this whole ruling, supreme court and the doma case, justice scalia accused the majority of doing nothing less than an assault on democracy. >> oh, dear. >> stephanie: the political philosophy is the major -- the majority wants should be that whole thing. thank you. according to scalia, el douche it interferes with the majority. he's down with putting the minority rights to a majority vote. fundamental flaw in democracy douglas wrote was it violated the principle in which democracy can be based. the equal dignity of each being. all that mocks the concern for the personhood and dignity of individuals and contends that only -- not only should the government be free to exclude same-sex couples from the institution of marriage but he reminds he believes the government should be empowered if they are making love in the privacy of their own home. the texas case. sodomy case. i was hoping -- wouldn't there had to have been a sodomy police to enforce that for straight couples as well? >> what are you doing in there? >> stephanie: bed check. >> note to straight people, oral sex is considered sodomy. >> stephanie: oh no. >> genuine democracy it finishes like the conception of democracy defended by frederick douglass is far more worthy of celebration this 4th of july weekend. thank you salon. [ applause ] nicely done. nicely written. eric boehlert from media matters coming up next on the "the stephanie miller show." ç] [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: all right. current tv hour number three. hello, everybody. eric boehlert from media matters coming up. jacki schechner. >> yes? >> stephanie: not your role of nurse jacki but bff jacki, we went to a delightful block party on the 4th of july, did we not? >> it was really cute. >> stephanie: well, you know my main question was are adults allowed to use the bouncy house. >> when you tried to fight your way in, there was a little bit of an issue. >> stephanie: drunken fisticuffs. >> stephanie, women in their 50s should not use bouncy houses. especially when you're carrying sparklers. >> you're going to break a hip. >> stephanie: the damn kids would not clear out, jacki schechner. ruining all my fun. >> it was a little chaotic but we managed to drag her out in one piece. >> stephanie: thank you. here she is, my bff, jacki schechner in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody. at least 42 people are dead and another 300 injured in cairo today as the egyptian army opened fire on muslim brotherhood supporters during morning prayers in front of the republican guard headquarters. a muslim brotherhood spokesman tells al jazeera that army and police forces just started firing on demonstrators where they were staging a sit-in. the military is blaming a terrorist group pointing out the two officers are among the dead. unrest continues as the nation's interim leadership is having trouble working out who should be the next prime minister. meanwhile, the u.s. is hesitating to call the overthrow of former president mohamed morsi a coup because u.s. law says if a country's military gets rid of a democratically-elected leader, then the u.s. has to pull its money and right now we gave egypt $1.5 billion in aid every year. the late new jersey senator frank lautenberg never hid his dislike for newark mayor cory booker especially when booker made it clear he planned to run for senate before lautenberg said whether or not he was going to run for re-election in 2014. now lautenberg's widow and his four children are carrying on his anti-booker legacy. they've issued a statement today endorsing representative frank pallone for senate. the democratic primary august 13th special election in october. lautenberg's family says that voters should "stick with frank" because pallone stands on the right side of the issues that lautenberg cared most about. we're back with more show for you after the break. stay with us. >> did anyone tell the pilgrims they should self-deport? >> no, they said "make us a turkey and make it fast". >> (laughter). >> she gets the comedians laughing. >> that's the best! >> that's hilarious. >> ... and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there is wiggle room in the ten commandments is what you're telling me. >> she's joy behar. >> ya, i consider you jew-talian. >> okay, whatever you want. >> who plays kafka? >> who saw kafka? >> who ever saw kafka? >> (laughter). >> asking the tough questions. >> chris brown, i mean you wouldn't let one of your daughters go out with him. >> absolutely not. >> you would rather deal with ahmadinejad then me? >> absolutely! >> (singing) >> i take lipitor, thats it. >> are you improving your lips? >> (laughter). >> when she's talking, you never know where the conversation is going to go. >> it looks like anthony wiener is throwing his hat in the ring. >> his what in the ring? >> his hat. >> always outspoken, joy behar. >> and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? >> only on current tv. if you believe in state's rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think there is any chance we'll ever hear the president even say the word "carbon tax"? >> with an opened mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned great leadership so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter) >> cutting throught the clutter of today's top stories. >> this is the savior of the republican party? i mean really? >> ... with a unique perspective. >> teddy rosevelt was a weak asmatic kid who never played sports until he was a grown up. >> (laughter) >> ... and lots of fancy buzz words. >> family values, speding, liberty, economic freedom, hard-working moms, crushing debt, cute little puppies. if wayne lapierre can make up stuff that sounds logical while making no sense... hey, so can i. once again friends, this is live tv and sometimes these things happen. >> watch the show. >> only on current tv. >> stephanie: six minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. stephaniemiller.com. you can e-mail us all there executive producer chris lajoie -- lavoie, voice deity jim ward. it is monday. you know what that means. >> eric boehlert. ♪ hurts so good ♪ ♪ come on, baby ♪ >> eric boehlert. ♪ hurts so good ♪ >> stephanie: let's dive into the right-wing world. >> i don't know what that means. >> stephanie: eric boehlert from media matters who we love. >> stephanie: good morning eric boehlert. happy belated 4th of july. >> hey, thanks you too. >> stephanie: you said telling right wing commentary on independence day can our military tell obama he's no longer president. hoping for an egyptian-type coup right? >> sort of seeing what's going -- seeing what's going on oversees then trying to -- imagining, hoping the same crowds were in the streets. this insurrectionism, this fantasy of overthrowing obama you know, it is going to be there until the day he swears in whoever takes over. >> stephanie: i can't remember what it was. wasn't it like the first week of his presidency, people were talking about impeachment. for what now? >> impeachment was definitely on the clinton table. what's sort of unique to obama is the whole let's do the armed insurrection thing. we didn't really hear that much under the previous democratic president. this has been almost since day one, hey let's arm a mob and take over the white house. far more dangerous and radical than impeachment which you know, even then -- sort of out of the mainstream. >> in case you haven't noticed he's black. >> stephanie: yeah. so by the way immigration, a lot of people talking about the immigration bill. you tweeted so the electoral future of the g.o.p. is in the hands of the house g.o.p. and how it handles the immigration bill. who could go wrong? it is amazing right. it seemed like this was a done deal after they looked at the results of the latino vote in the last election but now it is looking likely it won't get done right? >> within 48 showers sean happen sit going on fox saying we need to change our positions on hispanics latinos meaning immigration. purely for political reasons he didn't pretend he had a change of heart about immigration. we have to win more latino votes. and so it is interesting. here's the irony. the republican house you know, republicans love the fact that it has been radically obstructionist. won't allow obama to do anything with his agenda. stood in the way of two-term president the way no other house in congress has ever done before. just adopting the radical rules and committed not to getting anything done. but by the way, we kind of want to get the immigration bill done and now they can't change this monster because it is not equipped to do anything to get anything passed to have serious debate, to come together to make some sort of negotiated deal. so you know, literally if you talk to -- you know, the professionals, the future -- the electoral future of the party is riding on this bill. they're leaving it with this completely purposely dysfunctional body that is now just wider not to get anything done. it would be incredibly ironic if this frankenstein they've created ends up dooming their future. >> stephanie: i saw a cartoon over the weekend. they said we built a wall to keep them out. it just says latino vote. the republican party. i think it was david brooks, conservative on tv yesterday was it "meet the press" yesterday, eric, i don't know if you saw it saying like how can they be against this bill. it has all of the conservative -- supposedly all of the conservative sort of things that they wanted done in there. it raises -- doesn't the cbo say it reduces the deficit. it creates jobs, right? >> how could they be opposed to a disaster aid for the state of new jersey and new york? that made no sense. why would you back gun -- the gun -- the background check bill which 90% of americans supported. >> no logic as to why the house republicans stand in the way and obstruct and have adopted this radical behavior. it is too late for republicans to now to try to reason with house republicans saying look, this is a conservative bill. it's got what you want. odds are you know, the crazies in the house went to the republican party to which fox news has cheered because it's been -- you know, thwarting obama at every turn. now they're going to try to reason with house republicans with the tea party members. good luck to everybody. these people are committed to doing nothing at this point. >> stephanie: not to be politically incorrect but we were laughing a little little bit on "meet the press," raoul labrador. retriever, i can't remember his name. republican. an accent talking about how we need to keep them out of the country. there's not enough security and this is who they have on the republican side, right? >> lacking a certain self-awareness. yeah. you know. the immigration battle, you know, it's rubio versus laura ingraham fox can't quite decide. you know murdoch seems to be wanting to push immigration reform. he thinks -- as a foreigner he thinks america should have open arms. he sees what the future voting patterns are. you still have the pockets at fox news that have grown up hating basically as a policy, hating immigrants so they're conflicted. and so fox news is conflicted. fox news doesn't have a voice and oh by the way therefore the republican party is conflicted and doesn't have a voice on the immigration bill. they go hand in hand these days. >> stephanie: by the way your tweet, you said i ask again if texas is such a red state why does governor perry have to call special sessions to jam bills through. hashtag wendy davis. it is a good question, right? >> people point to him as texas as being this incredibly, you know, the reddest state. republicans run the place. i think a lot of people didn't understand which is the special session, the reason the abortion bills weren't passed in regular in that they needed 2/3 in the texas state senate. they said we're going to waive the rules. we're going pure majority. i'm not sure a lot of people understand the reason the radical abortion bills are being passed now. is that they rigged the rules for the special session. so i think it shows even in texas, they can't abide by the rules to get these bills passed and it is probably not you know, as deeply red as we think if he has to caught special sessions. >> stephanie: by the way somebody was talking about this over the weekend too. the i.r.s. thing. you said this -- a couple of weeks ago but it ends with a whimper just like benghazi. you tweeted ha ha. so obama ordered i.r.s. to target right-wingers and some liberal groups. yeah, that makes sense. hashtag worst scandal ever. all of this heat and noise right, eric? once again nothing. there is nothing to it. >> nothing, nothing, nothing. it is deja vu the clinton era all over again. it is travel gate. it is white water. the republicans get control of the congressional investigative committees. you know. they start thumping their chests. the press -- enamored by a possible scandal. darrell issa cherry picks transcripts from interviews, the press runs with it. all of it is going nowhere. so the whole thing fell apart about ten days ago when we realized that democrat -- liberal groups are also targeted and then a couple of days later the ig said they weren't really targeted and that was the point of my tweet which was wait a minute. the entire scandal the entire conspiracy was that this came from the white house. there was this invisible hand from the west wing telling the i.r.s. to go after these groups. by the way they told them to go after some liberal groups, too. i guess to make it look good. they had the whole thing planned out. the whole thing was nonsense. just like, you know, the cover-up of benghazi was not -- they tweeted last night, this is why i love right wing nut jobs. i was looking at the normal spots on the blog. one of the right wing sites had written about how there hadn't been a full investigation of benghazi yet. as we just -- as we're approaching the 10-month anniversary. >> stephanie: eric, great stuff as always. see you next week. >> all right bye-bye. >> stephanie: 16 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> ooh i like her. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show." young turks! i think the number 1 thing than viewers like about the young turks is that were honest. they know that i'm not bsing them for some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know i'm going to be the first one to call them out. cenk on air>> what's unacceptable is how washington continues to screw cenk off air i don't want the middle class taking the brunt of the spending cuts and all the different programs that wind up hurting the middle class. cenk on air you got to go to the local level, the state level and we have to fight hard to make sure they can't buy our politics anymore. cenk off air and they can question if i'm right about that. but i think the audience gets that, i actually mean it. cenk on air 3 trillion dollars in spending cuts! narrator uniquely progressive and always topical the worlds largest online news show is on current tv. cenk off air and i think the audience gets, "this guys to best of his abilities is trying to look out for us." only on current tv! this show is about being up to date, staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. ♪ every little thing she does is magic ♪ ♪ everything she do just turn me on ♪ ♪ even though my life before was tragic ♪ ♪ now i know my love for her goes on ♪ >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 20 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number. toll free from anywhere. roy in washington. on the san francisco plane crash. hello, roy. >> hi, steph and the mooks. i'm a year and a half retired commercial pilot. i flew the 777 the last ten years of my career. there's confusion about the gps. an ils is the instrument landing system. it has transmitters on the ground next to the runway. they send up a glide slope and a center line to the airplane. the airplane instruments can hook on to that. the auto pilot can hook on to that and it can fly the plane down to a coupled approach where they let the airplane flair and the pilot takes control once the plane gets slow enough to taxi or if it gets away from the center line go in between their lights on the runway. the gps is based off a satellite and it can get you down accurately to about 200 feet on the center line but so far at least -- a year and a half ago when i retired they weren't authorizing lower than 200 feet or doing a coupled approach. >> might have been relying on the gps too much? >> they should have been able to put up the gps. the ils wasn't on that runway. it has been out for a month so they didn't have that and they didn't have the glide slope from the instrument, the transmitter on the ground. however, the gps provides with you a glide slope visual in the cockpit you can fly down to. you could fly it down to 200 feet and take over manually and fly it the last bit to the runway. but you're going to be crossing the flesh hold at 50 feet. also you have bars that are either red or white and if you're too high, they're white and if you're too low, it is red. you try to keep between the two bars so you have the tar bar white and the bottom bar red and then you are at a 3% glide slope coming into the runway. for the bigger wide bodies but longer airplane, the gears are a lot further back. you're like about 50 feet above where your gear is when you're coming in for the approach. >> stephanie: what's your guess as to what happened? >> you know, that airplane has all of that good automation and pilots will fly with all of the automation and it is important to have it on. and especially the auto throttles. and the auto throttles always back up the speed and they'll never let you get below what speed is selected which should be the approach speed plus five knots or 10 or 15 knots if you got a gust involved. so that would always keep it up. you have your hands on the throttles. you're controlling the plane but you're letting the auto throttle move forward. if it feels the speed is getting too slow. if it senses the speed it getting too slow. if they have the auto pilots engaged, it never would have gotten slow like it did. it dropped at the end because it had no airspeed. the wings weren't producing the lift. it started sliding down. there wasn't enough pull on the wings to keep it from falling down. >> stephanie: all right. out how i know this was going to turn into plane talk. i understood very little of it. >> you're saying uh-huh like you agree with everything he said. >> stephanie: i was hoping for a more layperson explanation. >> it was my understanding when i took this job there would be no discussion of piloting. >> stephanie: right. all right. back to snowden. russia's official says venezuela is the best solution for snowden. a senior member of the russian parliament said the political asylum in venezuela would be the best solution for edward snowden. >> in other words,. [ speaking spanish ] >> stephanie: just saying get get -- yes to the t.g.i.friday's in the moscow airport. if there is one. he can't buy anything in duty-free because doesn't have a plane ticket. the comments came a few hours after venezuela and nicaragua extended the first firm offers to snowden who has been holed up in the airport for two weeks. they seem to reflect the kremlin's increasing desire to be rid of him. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: sanctuary for snowden, venezuela would be the best solution. said mr. pushkov. countries that want to poke the united states with a sharp object. the united states and venezuela actually just began talks to a reconciliation, progress for the senior obama administration would end if venezuela sheltered mr. snowden could it continues at the spy nsa. at the spy nsa. it continues at the spy nsa. okay. ♪ ♪ young men, there's no place you can go ♪ ♪ i said young man since your name starts with snow ♪ ♪ you can't stay there and then russia won't find any way to have a good time ♪ ♪ it's time to quit as a spy nsa ♪ ♪ it's time to start with your trial nsa ♪ ♪ they take everything you have said on the phone, you can hang up and wait for your drone ♪ ♪ spy nsa ♪ ♪ it's time to start with your trial ♪ >> stephanie: thank you, rocky mountain mike. [ applause ] oh golly. by the way -- [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] you know what? still some of the ex-gay activists out there. i thought they had all closed up shop. >> barbarians need to be disciplined. >> stephanie: apparently there are still many who need to be disciplined. ex-guy activists are certain that kennedy and kagan are on the down low. >> does he have experience with them? >> stephanie: well, this just in. president obama addresses kennedy and kagan are on the down low meaning gay but you know secretly -- >> on the dl. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> stephanie: what the kids are saying on the dl. >> roberts has those pictures from fire island. >> stephanie: and that white sweater, oh, my god. >> presenting the pie. >> who wants some pie. >> stephanie: how do we know? because ex-gay activist greg quinlan says so. the president of parents and friends of ex-gays and gays. he told his personal story of having once been a supporter of gay rights groups like human rights campaign. he said the devil made him do it but now he's reformed and a proud leader of the ex-gay movement. is he the only one left? we should applaud him then. >> which need to focus group their acronyms better. >> stephanie: two founders of the first one ran off together in a really gay way. in a john roberts gay island way. during his tenure volunteering for hr, quinlan said he learned kennedy and kagan are secretly -- calling them black robed nazis with is a good analogy except they started killing the gays first so really, that's kind of a -- >> there are a lot of people in pink triangles as well as yellow stars. >> stephanie: quinlan said they used the court to accommodate their own predilections including kennedy's predilection on the down low. president obama, the ex-gay leader added is also a down low president. wow. those people are still out there. how about this one. chris, could you take your organ out for me, please? >> right away, ms. miller. >> stephanie: good luck with that. karstor wants one million men to take a pledge to swear off porn. >> don't start in utah. >> stephanie: a florida pastor wants men to stop looking at pornography. he's calling the movement one million men. >> i would like a pony. >> stephanie: pastor -- wants you to go on -- guess we know what kind of porn jim watches. to make a strong commitment to never watch pornography ever again. he has some important recommendations to keep your children from being exposed to porn including canceling all of your premium cable channels and destroying your computer to get your rocks off. thank you mediaite. 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[ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] the middle of the military coup in egypt. the state department denied he was on his boat. all reports to the contrary completely inaccurate. he was on his boat only briefly as he spent most of the day in meetings and on the phone. i still think he's a really good secretary of state. >> i do, too. >> stephanie: he's on his boat for five minutes then -- >> it wouldn't be -- he wouldn't be completely incommunicado on his boat. there are devices that allow you to communicate. >> stephanie: that's what's going to be on fox. >> it was all weekend. >> stephanie: was it? good. it's important. hey, we missed this news last week in celebrity stack. cher says tom cruise is in her top five lovers. >> that's surprising. >> stephanie: lovers of hers, apparently. >> yes. >> stephanie: she sexually spoke of tom and said they were pretty hot and heavy for a little minute. [ laughter ] >> a little minute. well. not going there. >> stephanie: she said he was in her top five best -- he was in her top five best lovers of all-time. >> apparently five quickest. >> oh, come on. >> no, that's not what she meant. >> stephanie: gawker said she is probably telling the truth. she's the best person to lie on your behalf. they're speculating. also she admitted she has had a lesbian lover in her past. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] >> hello. are there pictures? >> who hasn't, she said. >> stephanie: indeed. rock on, cher. >> stephanie: only woman she would not is a woman in a wrinkled green pashmina. >> you know what? last night someone tweeted to cher why are you wearing cargo pants in she tweeted back why not? >> stephanie: good for her. >> why are you wearing a green pashmina? >> why not! >> stephanie: i should have said that. >> well, your neighbor is a big cher fan apparently. >> stephanie: yes. yes. heard that song a few times now. can i have some love music please? tom cruise part two jim. tom cruise has penned a heartfelt letter to katie holmes. he has allegedly written an emotional letter to katie holmes. >> that ship has sailed. move on. >> stephanie: he's hoping to re-establish a bond with his ex-wife. and is reported to have penned the heartfelt letter in hopes of resolving tension -- i wonder what the tension could be about -- a source told look magazine -- >> that's still around? >> what? >> they must be online now. >> stephanie: look, we're still here! a source told look magazine i think it is something tom has been thinking about a lot recently, especially as july was approaching, he has recognized katie will always be the love of his life. can i say perhaps not the sharpest journalist at look magazine. >> look! look at that. look what we made up. >> okay. >> stephanie: all right. okay. >> so she's not suppressive. >> stephanie: in her hip-hop news. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] you know how many years i've been waiting to say that. i have just such a story in my hand. pharell, will.i.am -- >> didn't he do the vocals on blurred lines? >> stephanie: yes my new favorite. the thing i was horrified about on cnn until i realized i loved it. >> did he the vocals on daft punk's get lucky which is the song of the summer. >> stephanie: right both of them. pharell does not like that will.i.am -- >> the box. >> stephanie: he's suing the black eyed peas rapper in what's becoming a trademark which now involves dr. seuss. for bringing it up. ifpharrell recently launched a youtube channel and he's pissed will.i.am is trying to block him from using the name because will.i.am thinks he owns i am. according to pharrell, will has sent him a cease and desist letter saying he owns rights to all of the things i am. >> he owns thailand? >> stephanie: he sued will in an effort to stop will from stopping him. >> can you do that? >> stephanie: that was the waste of the headline in other hip-hop news. >> you should have tucked that away for better use. >> stephanie: did you see the pictures of keira kyra sedgwick's bloody nonfinger. >> she cut the tip of her finger off. >> stephanie: i would not be thrilled if my husband had tweeted a picture of that. kevin bacon shared shots of kyra sedgwick she sliced off the tip of her finger who then tweeted the picture of her. she's sitting there looking decidedly unhappy with the bloody bandage. two photos. he said kale isn't always healthy if you chop the end of your finger off he wrote with a picture of the actress. >> that was a little bit snarky for the situation, i think. >> stephanie: i'm guessing she -- >> he was suggesting she should stick with bacon. >> stephanie: i see what you did there. [ ♪ circus ♪ ] >> bacon usually comes presliced you don't have to use a knife. >> stephanie: exactly. looky here, jim. mick jagger. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] the rolling stones frontman allegedly feeling the pressure to wed his designer girlfriend. >> who is about eight feet tall. >> stephanie: really? >> in heels. he's much taller than -- she's much taller. >> stephanie: he's been dating her for 12 years. she has been on mick's case nonstop to get married. >> doesn't he turn 70 this month? >> pretty much. >> stephanie: i'm going to guess that she is younger than he is? >> really? >> stephanie: yes. i think you're exaggerating. >> looks like a little boy next to her in heels. she's rather tall. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> stephanie: okay. all right. lots more to get to. we'll talk more about this plane crash and much more. 42 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." if you believe in state's rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think there is any chance we'll ever hear the president even say the word "carbon tax"? >> with an opened mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned great leadership so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter) >> cutting throught the clutter of today's top stories. >> this is the savior of the republican party? i mean really? >> ... with a unique perspective. >> teddy rosevelt was a weak asmatic kid who never played sports until he was a grown up. >> (laughter) >> ... and lots of fancy buzz words. >> family values, speding, liberty, economic freedom, hard-working moms, crushing debt, cute little puppies. if wayne lapierre can make up stuff that sounds logical while making no sense... hey, so can i. once again friends, this is live tv and sometimes these things happen. >> watch the show. >> only on current tv. alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. this show is about being up to date, staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. ♪ i know you want it but you're a good girl ♪ ♪ you way you grab me ♪ ♪ must want to get nasty ♪ >> what? >> what are you arguing against this song for? what is the problem with it? >> stephanie: the video is horribly sexist. >> i've never seen the video. >> stephanie: lady on the street and a freak in the bed. >> stephanie: 47 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 toll free. >> what's sexist about the video? of it you have to watch it. >> he blows smoke in her face. [ whatever! ] >> maybe she likes it. >> maybe she deserved it. >> stephanie: you know you want it. cancer from secondhand smoke. take it. jim, we've been watching the zimmerman stuff all morning. you think he's going to walk really? >> i don't know. >> the prosecution hasn't been the best in the world. >> amazing that you know, it is so obvious. he was the guy with the gun. so even if trayvon tried to defend himself with a bag of skittles or whatever there's -- >> the only reason he would have% attacked him was because he was following him with a gun. >> stephanie: right, exactly. it makes no sense. they had his mother on. his mother on to say oh, yes that was george yelling help, help. i have a gun. you have skittles. >> help, i have a gun. i'm going to use it. >> stephanie: terry in madison, wisconsin. hello, terry. >> caller: good morning. >> stephanie: good morning. go ahead. >> caller: well, what i would like to bring up is the idea that fox news didn't seem to bring up the reading of the story to the children when 9-11 was happening by president bush and also the thought that often president reagan was president when he was president especially later in his career. >> stephanie: say that one more time? >> caller: president reagan wasn't necessarily present in the room even when he was later on in his career. >> alzheimer's. >> caller: right. which is sad. >> he's comparing it to john kerry on the boat. >> stephanie: like jim said, it is not like he's incommunicado. he's secretary of state. >> they'll be able to contact him on the boat. >> stephanie: i think so. okay. gawker bringing us the story omg, rich people are going below -- >> is that illegal? >> is that a line of demarcation in manhattan? >> stephanie: according to the "new york times." the quote-unquote gaggles of thurstons -- kentucky one get some vichyssoise on the corner of this little town? >> what a picturesque little east village you have. >> the upper east side, they're getting downtown apartments. apparently -- brook gardner needed -- it sounds like a rich name. downtown is livelier. we feel like we've been in milan for the weekend. >> a lot more colorful. i'm not sure what i'm saying. >> stephanie: the times notes muffy and thurston and their other ridiculously named friends are displacing the flocks of young new yorkers who might have once lived in the east village. lambert said you can go out to dinner and you don't have to be dressed. you don't have to wear jewelry. >> what? you have to wear jewelry to eat in new york? >> stephanie: above 59th street i guess you do. >> they don't have a chipotle? >> stephanie: i'm going to guess no. bejeweled muffy. >> extra beef please. >> stephanie: okay. all right. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] florida woman assaults officer with an unwanted kiss on the nose. that's adorable. >> that's an adorable assault. >> stephanie: like a puppy dog. after being called to a house on the report of disturbance last saturday a florida woman kiss an officer on the nose. peggy hill encountered the deputies when they came to her house after a fence dispute with a neighbor. the deputy wiped her is saliva off and arrested her. she was arrested for battery of a police officer. >> battery? >> stephanie: admitted she had a few glasses of wine before officers came to her property. >> so i'm assuming -- after a few glasses of wine, a kiss becomes -- >> a kiss is still a kiss. >> she might have thought it was a peck on the nose. but she really liquid it or something. >> stephanie: it was more like a nose lick than a kiss. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> stephanie: after 4th of july weekend, this is depressing. hangovers cost america about $1.90 per drink according to gawker. excessive drinking -- >> how does that work? >> stephanie: excessive drinking costs -- article is a big buzz kill. excessive drinking costs the american economy more than $220 million a year according to the center for disease control and prevention. which is enough to make you really need a drink according to gawker. the fine folks over at the atlantic cost the economy about $1.90 a drink. 72% of that around $160 billion comes from lost productivity at work. we slog through no matter what. >> you could lose my liver as home plate right now. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: don't blame yourselves america. you tired weak, hungover masses. about 15% of the binge drinking public is responsible for around 17% of the total economic cost of drinking. we're shouldering the blow. for all of you buzz kills out there. all right. post-4th of july happy clappy news from the daily piece. america is not doomed. america is not doomed. [ ♪ battle hymn of republic ♪ ] >> really? >> stephanie: who knew. >> i've been watching too much fox news. i was under the impression america is doomed. >> it is doomish. >> stephanie: this is very happy clappy. the latest jobs numbers aren't the only blow to the theory that the u.s. is doomed. daniel grows on why america's prospects are brightening while other countries struggle. i painted my fingernails red and blue. >> you're one of those? >> stephanie: while i was driving. it did not look good but it was patriotic. daniel writes the small industry of writers pundits historians who specialize continues to turn out new product. as the rest of the world goes to hell, the u.s. is standing tall. china is slowing down rapidly. insatiable demand for natural resources are downshifting. brazil is struggling. through it all u.s. economy continues to chug along. the expansion of little predicted has entereddity fifth year. economic growth is not fast enough for anyone's like. that's what you get when you deleverage and when government austerity becomes part of the problem. the government employment has fallen by a million. how many times have we said that? public sector jobs had been even where they were during the bush years, our unemployment numbers would be -- >> if they weren't trying to destroy the post office. aaccidently slandered on -- i accidentally slandered on fox news saying the dr. jobs were strong right now. i claim this network in the name of mars. >> stephanie: hard to take anything he says seriously. but still. economic self-confidence is returning and there's good reason for it with four years of growth under our belt. americans in the aggregate are doing much better than in 2008 and 2009. everyone is doing a much better job keeping up with financial obligations, credit card delinquencies are down to levels not seen since the 1990s. personal bankruptcies are down 14%. american consumers hitting the malls. terrorists have not won. retail sales set a new record and car sales the biggest retail sector shifting into higher gear. rising demand is leading to fewer people getting laid off. >> car sales shifting into higher gear. >> stephanie: unemployment claims trending steadily downward. the number of people on unemployment is off 22%. housing now becoming a source of strength. remember it was a disaster. the housing sector now steadily contributing economic growth and employment. blah, blah blah. today we've got more people working, paying higher taxes thanks to the expiration of the payroll tax holiday and tax increases on high income earners. improvements in housing helping propel payments to freddie and fannie. the budget ef deficit will come in at $642 billion a decline of more than 40% from last year. are we gonna hear that mentioned? >> no. not on fox news. >> stephanie: we're spending too much caucus. yes, there are significant issues. washington doesn't work, daniel writes largely because the republican party can't or won't participate in governance. imagine getting a little help from the congressional caucus at all. government assistance. rapidly growing global economy have brought the u.s. a great distance but if the economy is going to enjoy another 48 months of growth, the private sector will have to do its part. the next form of stimulus, the only remaining form will have to come from companies. we don't need america's bosses to do anything radical like double the wames of their employees like henry ford did. they have to rechannel a portion of the cashier marked for dividends, stock buybacks and executive compensation into paychecks. happy clappy news. >> hooray. >> stephanie: very exciting. unless of course -- >> thanks, obama. >> stephanie: yeah, thanks a lot, obama. >> where are the jobs? >> stephanie: we could be getting a little bit of help on any kind from the republicans. i mean really. things are good unless of course you were on a flight to san francisco. [ screaming ] yikes. the ntsb chairman this weekend. >> the approach speed was 137 knots and what the question was whether or not we had the lowest speed that the crew achieved. i will tell you that the speed was significantly below 137 knots and we're not talking about a few knots. >> close to stall speed. >> it is a pain in the ass to drive to san francisco but i'm glad i did this weekend. >> imagine if you had driven to seoul. >> that would have really sucked. >> stephanie: other thing we learned this morning. we have a huge percentage of pilots or people that pretend to be pilots and call in. i heard more technical information than i've ever heard in my entire life just this morning. okay. ntsb chairman again real quick. >> a call from one of the crew members to increase speed was made approximately seven seconds prior to impact. a call to initiate a go around occurred 1.a seconds before impact. >> too late. >> stephanie: yeah. didn't have to be a pilot to figure out that was probably a tad too late. all right. that's it for us. we'll see you tomorrow on "the stephanie miller show." >> i'm jacki schechner. it is noon eastern and here's what's current. secretary of state john kerry's wife teresa behind kerry is hospitalized today in critical but stable condition after suffering what may have been a seizure yesterday afternoon. heinz kerry was rushed to nantucket cottage hospital and then transferred to mass general in boston. secretary kerry is with her. they have been married since 1995. in 2009, heinz kerry was diagnosed and treated for breast cancer undergoing two lumpectomies. she's currently 74 years old. former new york governor and former current tv host eliot spitzer is planning to dip back into politics hoping voters will forgive his past indiscretions and pick him to be the new new york city comptroller.

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