Transcripts For CSPAN3 Richard Paul And Steven Moss On We Co

Transcripts For CSPAN3 Richard Paul And Steven Moss On We Could Not Fail 20170225

It looks at nasas role in civil rights in the years before the Civil Rights Act pass. Before the Civil Rights Act passed discrimination was not against of law. It was legal to say no, you cannot use this toilet, you are black or you cannot come into this restaurant, you are black and that is an important distinction that will become even more important as we talk about the achievements of some of the people in this book. We will be talking about the rules put in place by the tonedy administration address discrimination and how they were implemented by nasa and its contractors. We will be talking about the people whose lives were touched those rules. Our books tell the story of men most of them who came to work at the program during the civil some were nasa employees and some of them worked for contractors. President kennedy was forced into dealing with outerspace at the same time and forced into dealing with civil rights. These are not things he talked about during the campaign. He did not bring up either of these issues during the campaign. There was a sequence of events, time, space and civil rights together that all happened over the course of six weeks in 1961. Yuri becomes the first human being in space and the soviet union is now one this important cold war victory. 20 it becomes clear that the bay of pigs has failed. Baseoviet union now has a essentially 90 miles off of florida. Then it becomes clear that the bay of pigs has failed and the president calls Vice President johnson, the chairman of the Space Council and asks him to come up with something fast for space, because space will be the hail mary pass it will change the subject and divert everybodys attention from the loss of cuba. May fifth alan shepard becomes the First American in space, may 14, nine days later, the freedom ride starts. The freedom rides, seven blacks, six white people get into a bus and head for watching to induce the headed for new orleans with whites in the next seat and the blacks in the front and head down south and on may 24 their bus is fire on in alabama. That is may 24. May 25, the next day president kennedy said we will put a man on the moon levy ends a decade. A week later mobs right in Montgomery Alabama and the governor of alabama declares martial law and president kandi is now thrown in with both feet into civil rights and the Space Program. Nasa is about to start hiring 250,000 new people in alabama, texas, florida, mississippi and louisiana, so that in part, the fact that this is in the heart of the gym throw so is going to mean jim crow south. Now that richard has everyone excited i get hiring policy. So the president signed the order in 1961. He did this because he understood the political realities of his time, he could not get civil rights or congress so he had to do something to her executive power. He did an executive order. In this slide it shows how the order affected federal agencies and their contractors. The order was issued if covered 38,000 contractors. The impact of the antidiscrimination clauses was in mens. At the time, nasa was in minutes. Its mission group. So do the importance of this on affairs. Lyndon johnson believed there was a link between southern poverty and southern racism. If an activist federal government could solve one it could solve the other and nsform the south away from and towards technology, bringing it into the social and economic mainstream. In someommon knowledge africanamerican communities that johnson intended to use the Space Program to reconstruct the south during johnson was not shy about promoting this idea. After kennedy placed him at the heads of both the National Space eceo he foundhe himself in a position to implement his plan. It required federal contractors to be equal Opportunity Employers. This was the first time this would happen. National firms with connections to the Marshall Space Flight toter in alabama began advertise for engineers and technicians. Nasa contracted proclaimed compliant. To be eeo not every inventor embraced the order. In july of 1961, houston power and light cut power to the Pelican Island destroyer base in galveston, texas, jeopardy sink uses hope to host the manned flight center. The company objected to the inclusion of an antidiscrimination clause in its contract with the navy. Vice president johnson called ,lbert thomas and told him shall i tell the president you cannot supply power to the navy . Two eight Navy Installations there, because of the negro question there. What are you going to do about space . The navy got its power and houston remained a viable site candidate. This is just one of the several brushes that houston would have with civil rights in the space age and richard has one of the other ones. Made his mostnt moving space about each at rice university. He did not do it there by accident. Riceice institute became university in 1960 and the schools president , whenever nasa would come to houston heat when be there to her guy. It was kenneth pitzers desire to get nasa to put Mission Control in houston. The schools president , he arranged for humble oil, gave rice1000 acres and promised the land to nasa for the manned space center. This is what ted this gales and put Mission Control in houston. Money,ange in 1962 some because prices original 1891 bequest provided for the free instruction of white texas. With federal money involved that was not going to work. The board of trustees at rice had no appetite for segregation, but they did file a lawsuit to change rices charter and admit black students. They filed a separate suit to remove the words right and three and wet free and when they did that a group of alumni screamed bloody murder and they filed an intervention complete. Nasais relationship with hung in the balance until 1965, when a ruling was made. The experience with bryce was typical of the problems that face as it interrupted with the southern facilities and steve has more on that now. National academy of sciences did an evaluation of a communitys these communities and the 60s and there was a believe that that Technological Advancement will lead to major social change. Typesities with advanced of industries, with their people employed in Research Laboratories and in the of engineering techniques should display a high level of social and innovation. They named a peter. To the Space Community to see if that was to spirit it was not. To see if it was true. It was not. The Space Program brought socially liberal Rocket Scientist to the south. It did not do that either. Found that the Space Centers recruit from technicians and Tech Knowledge he raced in the cell. The personnel of the Huntsville Center said 50 of its employees can from alabama. He found the same was to educate canaveral in florida. Found book, mary holman the same thing. Of the people working in huntsville in 1950 work in the area in 1960. Nearly 18 work elsewhere in 30 of the labor force was out of state. In florida, she found that 28 employed in Brevard County in 1965 worked outside of florida in 1960. Wrote or dodd seems to be no strong pressure for equal rights. Negroes appeared to be an outside group presenting demands which would have to be dealt which areme way but no concern of theirs. Playinge this attitude out in the stories of the men who will we tell in the book. We will tell a few of these stories. One there was a man named Julius Montgomery. The first africanamerican ever hired as anything other than a janitor at cape canaveral. Hired as was known as a range rat. If a missile misfired the range get the missile and figure out what went wrong and fix it. He was hired in the 50s at a time when the clue clucks clan locallucks clan klanessmen joined the almost, is what Julius Montgomery faced on his first day at work. Nobody would shake my hand. I got to the last fellow. Are you i am Julius Montgomery. They said boy, you dont talk to a white man like that. I said oh forgive me oh great white pastor. Bastard. Then he and i laughed and we shook hands. In addition to being the first African American professional, he also integrated a southern college. We hear stories about the internet integration of youhern colleges, i know have not heard the story of the Florida Institute of Tech Knowledge technology. Its first building was in a public Junior High School. Because it was a Public High School Junior High School it meant blacks were not allowed in. Julie is signed up to be in they first class and the superintendent of schools, when he saw that a black man who had wasen his undergraduate trying to enroll sheet called the president of the college and told him to school would not open is Julius Montgomery was a student there. President of the college bagged montgomery to please drop out of the school so the school could open. In an act of what i consider to selflessness, he agreed. He enrolled a year later and the school did open, they did allow him in a year later and now the Florida Institute of Technology Offers the Julius Montgomery high in your award to an African American who has made a contribution to the community to thank him. Not everyone in our book worked for the Space Program. This involves men who used the Space Program, space age imagery to achieve a civil rights victory in houston. Going from coast to coast here. 1963. S in the three men who are instrumental in using houstons space politics to advance racial politics were quick mise, a leader in the black community and the executive director of the back the street ymca. He went let student protesters from Southern University use it as a headquarters. Another was elderly sterns, a political activist, the first president and cofounder of the progressive use association. He helped to organize the 1960 one to counter sit inns in houston. , a lawm was otis king student at tsg at the time, he helped with the 1960 six ands and code found it the progressive youth association. Police officers in birmingham, alabama used dogs and fire hoses arrestedters and people. Angered by these events, stearns and king began to plan what is arguably the most successful civil rights and has that ever happened. May 15, Gordon Cooper leaves hour for 34 and a half space flight. Houston, the home of the astronauts planned a parade during the downtown for cooper on may 23. The plan, from otis king and stearns, have protesters infiltrate the crowd along the parade route and on the appointed time and signal they pulled signs out from underneath their clothing, run into the street, stop the parade, and Bring National Media Attention to their cause. All of the networks are going to be there covering this parade it live. On the day of the parade, the pya protesters took their places. The parade route and they kept and i out for the nearest payphone to call headquarters. Morningn audience this where nobody knew what payphones were. Runners would go from the funds and receive calls from headquarters and go up to people on the side of the parade route and whisper instructions. Meanwhile, king and stearns and the other leaders went to their headquarters at the Wheeler Avenue baptist church, which have been recently opened by pastor bill lawson. The parade is set to begin at 11 goodbye 10 30 the staging area said children are Holding American flags, lining the parade route with their parents,eople are in buildings negotiations still went on. At 10 40, 20 minutes before the protesters reach their failsafe, mise calls of the church, the pya went on. The parade went on without protest and 30 days later without fanfare downtown restaurants and movie theaters desegregated. Two years later, in april of 1960 five, black leaders with the help of High School Students from texas Southern University and the university of houston organized 2000 blacks for a protest march against gradual desegregation. They turned houstons space age of symbolism against the city was sign that read, space age houston, stone age schools. Another pioneer called frank crosley. He never worked for nasa about the work he did developing alloys for the skins of rockets and missiles was vital to nasas success to you was one of the u. S. Navys first black officers during world war ii. After the war he decided on a career in engineering. His family said no, become a doctor or maybe a lawyer. He said he was going to become an engineer. As a black man in america at that time, he knew he always needed to have a plan b. Couldnt get a job as an engineer, i would either go to canada or mexico. Canada had the virtue of speaking english and mexico had the virtue of having colored people. Ofhe said his chances getting a job in the u. S. As a black man were 5050. Equal the terms opportunity and affirmative action are commonplace. That was not the case in 1969 illustrates hey was refused a management job because of his race. His mentor challenged this decision. He said you cannot do that. We are an equal Opportunity Employer. He said when he heard those words he jumped up, he never equalthe phrase, Opportunity Employer before. This is an example of equal employment having a role in a persons life. Despite being a persons the first person to ever receive a phd in metallurgical engineering, this is how he described a talk he said he had more than once with a supervisor. Qualified, because you are a negro we thought you were content. Because youre so advance for a negro. Fixing racial equality and the work place was going to take im sorry now i see it. Nasas first coop students from a black college came from southern use of Mercy University of baton rouge. It caused a sensation in the black press. This is the headline, Negro College youth to boost first moviegoer into over moongoer i orbit. In achievement for African Americans as a whole, the Space Program was americas single accomplishment at this time, and this showed that the black community was going to help get america to the moon. This wasst the the new york times. It called the young men social pioneers. It also said that nasa was having trouble recruiting africanamerican engineers, and the experience of the coop students had in alabama demonstrates why that was the case. Tommy , frank williams, George Boorda and Morgan Watson did in the book we talk with George Boorda and with Morgan Watson. The coops experience demonstrated the problems. When they got to alabama, no one would rent them a hotel room, Morgan Wallace said all the guys went to a rate concert date ray charles concert. Down one aisle and blacks on the other. He said the same thing happened at the Muhammad Ali Sonny Liston fight. A rope right down the middle of the field with blacks on one side and whites on the other. Nasa inter at huntsville got the young men homes in the black community in huntsville, and that is where they lived during their time there. Despite nasas efforts to integrate its workforce, this is the way things work at nasa at the time the students got there, according to Morgan Watson. Thereont even think there were any clerical workers. I remember ground workers and janitors. The young menbout walking to the nasa facility one day and somebody said excuse me are you visiting dignitaries from africa . Them that occurred to black americans could be working at nasa. Morgan watson said the young man felt the expectations that the black press and placed on them. We went out of our way to study and work hard and do whatever it image ofe thought the black people were writing on us as professionals. We could not fail. We had to do our best. Well nasa struggled to hire 19e africanamericans, the 64 president ial election provided a new political challenge that engulfed the agency in the marshall center. Web announcedator in late october that huntsville management personnel white meat might be transferred to new orleans or even california. How much of his statement had to do with race is a matter of conjecture. We do know that qualified blacks and whites refused jobs at marshall because of alabama sprays laws is. The states reputation for contributedin to retention problems also. The threat to move as a political statement. Where it was meant to scare voters in alabama or encourage it elsewhere remains a mystery. It did scare the huntsville business community. Dunn, t

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