lonnie bunch. here is a preview. as derek says, this is the first time i have seen this. this is an interactive lunch counter that will allow the public to bring their own knowledge, put together their own stories around civil rights .ovement it is capable of being used by individuals and classes so teachers can control how this would work. that's not bad. a 12 inchn this on screen, so this looks much better. >> i'm glad you like it. >> it cost enough. the point is that throughout the museum we are trying to find all the different ways, different platforms, to educate. this talks about the civil rights movement itself, the struggles, challenges, but we also wanted to be able to have some artifacts that would really be dramatic and help people understand the power of discrimination. entire program at 10:00 p.m. eastern time on american artifacts here on american history tv, only on c-span3. 1 atarting monday, august 8:00 p.m. eastern time, the contenders, c-span's 14 part series which helps with the 2016 campaign, putting it into perspective. geography,ross time, key figures who have run for president and lost, but changed political history. each night we feature a different canada and, beginning with henry clay and ending with ross perot. at 8:00 p.m. eastern time on august 1 through the 14th here on american history tv, only on c-span3. this sunday night on q and a, journalist and author joshua kendall discusses his book, first dad, parenting and politics from george washington to barack obama. >> looking at fathering is trying to capture the complexity of human beings, and father is away into character. we tend to think this is a bad guy or a good guy, but to see that a lot of these men who had been president had different parts. they were compartmentalize, and some of them could be laudable and do amazing things, and some could be really disappointing and horrify us. announcer: sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern and pacific on c-span's q&a. on americanp next history tv, the supreme court historical society hosts a discussion on the 1905 u.s. supreme court case lochner v. new york. in that decision, the court ruled a law that limited the hours a baker could work violated the 14th amendment. the decision ushered in the , with the court striking down regulations on working conditions over three decades. stephen breyer introduces this event. it is about an hour. let me now mention how much we appreciate the fact that justice breyer has agreed to host this evening. we are sincerely grateful to you for that. brief comments about justice breyer can't begin to do justice to him, so i will have to be unjust in light of time constraints that i am subject to. justice breyer has always been remarkably generous with his time in supporting society projects. 6 less than two weeks on june at our annual meeting, he will be delivering the society's 41st annual . some background on justice breyer. he was born in san francisco and after stanford, he came he's. from oxford. aren't his law degree at harvard and went on to clerk for justice goldberg. he served with great distinction in the justice department. counsel tos chief the senate judiciary committee and served and other similar roles during that time of his career. he has taught at harvard law school at the harvard kennedy school of government, at the college of law in sydney, australia, and the university of rome. in 1980, president carter appointed justice breyer to the united states court of appeals for the first circuit, and he was the chief judge there from 1990-1994. in 1990 four, president clinton nominated him as an associate justice of the supreme court to succeed justice blackmun. he took his seat on august 3, 1994. he has also been a prolific writer, not just of judicial opinions. articles,, wonderful on a very wide range of important legal subjects, both domestic and international. his most recent law, the court of the world, was published last september. in a nutshell, in my view, and i am sure you will agree with me, just as breyer's career is powerful evidence of the that ag contributions single individual can make to society when he or she is just -- blessed with a keen intellect and an innate sense of decency, a dedication to the rule of law, and a determination to make our country and our world a better place. ands my great honor privilege to present justice breyer to you now. [applause] justice breyer: that was a pretty long introduction. i will give you a short introduction. i am very happy to be here and introduce you, and i am glad you are all here. i do want to say that this society does a terrifically good job to tell its members and people who aren't members, judges in our courts, and everybody else in the world, something about the history of the court and what we do. that is a very useful thing. i cannot tell you how often i talked to audiences. i'd love to talk to schoolchildren specifically. i have to get them interested and explain what we do. by and large, they don't know, so thank you for what you do. you have treacher training programs. you have trained high school .ivics teachers you have released historys and have sponsored these lectures. used to give long introductions. i remember that. leon was terrific here at i am so glad you have named this lecture series after him. , for parts,ries this is part two. the four parts are on the court and the progressive era. tonight's event is a panel discussion. are the three of you. you will discuss. who are these people? one is a professor of political science at texas state university. he frequently writes on subjects involving legal history, constitutional history, the history of law, and the american west. he has written many books, including lochner v. new york, economic regulation on trial, justice stephen field from california, and he had a very colorful career, shaving liberty from the gold rush to the gilded age. and the supreme court under chief justice morrison, 1874-1888. randy barnett is the professor of legal theory at georgetown university law center. he teaches constitutional law. of the georgetown center for the constitution. he has published many, many things. , ourost recent book is republican constitution, securing the liberty and sovereignty of our people. between the two is our moderator. she is a professor of law at the georgetown university law center. she is the author of, and reckless hands. also, a forthcoming book, miss reading law, misreading democracy. discussel is perfect to this issue, so please join me in welcoming them [applause] . >> on behalf of the panel, thank you very much for that wonderful introduction. i am delighted to be here. hopefully i am one of the last moderates and washing to moderate a debate between two of the most distinguished lochner scholars in the country. have seen their earlier c-span performances, you will find it in transit, the facts of how teddyssive era, roosevelt made the case famous, but you won't hear much about the key legal concepts that drove the case. i hope that having written a bit myself about lochner in the course of my book on skinner that we will hear from these distinguished scholars something about these concepts. they include the notion of of substantive due process, the presumption of liberty, and a somewhat forgotten concept called class legislation. i am going to give the honor at first as we discussed earlier for 10 minutes, then professor barnett for 10 minutes, then i will attempt to intervene if i get a word in edgewise to guide the conversation on some of these interesting concepts. >> thank you, victoria. breyerto thank justice for his kind introduction and thank the historical society for inviting me to participate. i appreciate the opportunity to take part in his conversation about lochner v. new york. it is a case, to put it mildly, goodnot enjoyed a very reputation. a chicago law professor best captured the lochner legacy with a simple question. who would ever cite this case and the supreme court brief except to identify it with your opponents position? safe to say that a majority of lawyers, constitutional scholars, and judges from all sides of the political and economic spectrum rank lochner along with dred scott as one of the worst decisions and constitutional history. [laughter] >> of course there are some prominent and distinguish exceptions. i suspect randy will attempt to convince you that the lochner case does not deserve its reputation. i am here because i think it does. many thingsre are upon which randy and i do agree. andis that we both agree recognize the importance of liberty in our political system and our constitutional tradition. so in the spirit of starting a conversation, i would like to focus on the meaning of liberty. own perspective, but from observations of what liberty meant to most people in the 19th and early 20th centuries. infamous for the justices use of liberty of contract to overturn a law bakersg the hours of to 10 hours a day or 60 hours a week and even the liberty of contract is not among the rights expressed in the constitution, he concluded that the general right to make a contract, including the right to purchase and sell labor, was part of the liberty of the individual protected by the 14th amendment. it was his use of liberty of contract that overturned a shorter hours law that caused a justice to criticize the majority opinion as being faced on laissez-faire economic theory instead of the constitution. later it inspired reformers like theodore roolt