That africanamericans will always be supportive of this president. Even if perhaps his policies do not necessarily meet with their needs policy wise. Host out of the republicans make inroads . Guest i think that is a very interesting question. I think what they need to do is speak to the issues and i talk about this in the book. The autopsies of the Republican National committee put together by reince priebus, a 10 milliondollar platform suggesting that we need to begin having a more aggressive dialogue and reaching out to various communities and they have recently opened an office in detroit. And that is one avenue to try to begin to reach out and reach the voters where they are and not as the first step for the party. In the now what we need to see is rhetoric and policy matching the outreach activities. Host here is the name of the book. The sole for the Republican Party is the subtitle. Eric ham is our guest. We have a viewer with a socalled opinion and we want to show you that and get your response to this. My argument is that there is much Less Division among conservatives and some people pretend that the leftwing media, that they would like us to believe that. The great civil war civil war right now is happening on the democratic side. Where there was a massive rebellion of democrats and that is the story and i refuse to play along and overplay and overemphasize and dramatize the differences that are the tactics on the conservative side. I do not disagree that there is a looming crisis within the Democratic Party. And i am sure that that will be a discussion that you will have later. But i do believe that that is coming. However, i completely disagree with him on his analysis of the civil war within the Republican Party. It is real and we are seeing it take place and we have seen it take place prior to 2012, people like dick lugar, senator dick lugar from indiana and we have seen him lose out to a very extreme candidate with Richard Murdoch and we are seeing the Senate Minority leader Mitch Mcconnell grappling with a challenge from his right flank. Senator Lindsey Graham is now being challenged on the right and in many more ways it has become and i was reading in the Washington Times were now senator pat roberts is actually being challenged from the right and this is a huge fight within the party. And within the book we talk about what is going on within this fight within the party and that israel and i think that until the party can grapple with its direction, i think that they are going to struggle to win the white house for quite some time to come. And there are a number of issues where the party is fighting and there is a chapter in the book called going out of power when i talk about the National Security implications of the civil war within them party for the first time in 2012. And there was no discussion on National Security as we would normally expect it from the Republican Party. And this has been an issue that the party has owned since vietnam and this is one of the mainstays of the Republican Party and it is surprising that barack obama had successfully been able to move this issue from the gop camp into the democratic camp. And i do believe that the american public, while they trust barack obama more and then they trust mitt romney, that is not necessarily a permanent fixture for the Democratic Party been an issue where i think the gop has room to grow. And that is actually one of the catches of this. Host lets take some calls on this book. Karen from washington. Republicans line only. Go ahead. Caller hello, im a little nervous. What i have to say is theres a big difference between conservative republicans and republicans. Im a conservative and i happened to be black. People like Chris Christie is a conservative. Paul ryan is a conservative. We want conservative candidates. Host cootie like . Whose ideas do like . Caller i like mia love and allen west and ted cruz as well. Host lies that . Caller we want conservatives in the white house. This war on the gop is part of history conservatives need to take our party back over. That is all i have to say. Host mr. Eric ham . Guest i think what she does is help advance this work and there is a huge battle going on between conservatives and republicans. But i think that when we talk about republicans, they typically think of the establishment candidates and if you look at the budget battle as was astutely pointed out it was very unhappy with the budget deal. And we really appreciate this debt ceiling standoff that is going to take place in congress and many republicans in the house and senate who are up for reelection are going to be looking over their shoulder in terms of how they should vote because the conservatives will be looking for them to i think not advance this debt ceiling debate and i think that what we are going to see is a longer fight within the gop. Host here is the front page of the wall street journal this morning. Gop message with Republican Leaders and their corporate allies. This is the opening paragraph. Guest i wrote an article here in washington right after the shutdown and it and you saw a large conservative organization and they are established candidates like in states of michigan and idaho against many of these Tea Party Activists were now saying that we want our party back. We want to take our country back. And so for the first time we are beginning to see the establishment fight back against many of these activists candidates. Host there is a little bit of conversation going on about your credentials and whether or not you should be allowed to comment on the gop civil war. Given your background and your credentials. Guest well, what i would say to that is i may not be a republican or a conservative. But i have been in washington and i have been a part of these websites that are taking place with the policy debates on a number of these issues and i write about them in people are welcome to reject them. Host could you see yourself supporting a Mitch Mcconnell if you lived in kentucky . Guest absolutely. I think what Chris Christie is doing is fabulous. And theres no shortage. Theres no shortage of candidates that i think would be great for this country. I think what Susana Martinez is doing and i thought she was a great congressional candidate with mia love. I think she is a rising star in the party. And i do believe that at this point, i believe that Chris Christie is the candidate to be and i think he could actually give the clinton a run if he could get out of the primary. Host we have a tweet that says i am a Ron Paul Fowler at the grassroots. We elected a 28yearold county chair, scary noninterventionist. So what is his affect. Guest i was in iowa during the 2012 caucuses. And i was in a little town called van meter, iowa. And there was so much fervor and excitement for ron paul. And there was so much excitement and energy and i think that ron paul, it will be interesting and it will be interesting to translate this to his son rand paul and kentucky. And i do think he will run in 2016. And i think it will be interesting to see that excitement and fervor that was displayed in van meter, iowa, for him. It will translate into a sign. And if we can move those with what is his next step in what role will he play in 2016. And it includes what his role will be. Host our next call comes from pennsylvania. Hello, ryan. Caller i just want to say that im very disappointed in republicans and democrats. Once they get to a certain point its all the same. Host what you mean by that . Can you give an example enact. Caller well, i mean, you have obama saying that he will start with stopping the surveillance stuff. And im not saying what bush did was right. And i dont trust democrats or republicans anymore and if the bankers that are running him. Host that was ryan in beaver, pennsylvania. Guest thats a good question in that section when i discuss in my book is how republicans will have a very difficult time moving forward on National Security so they can move away from the debacle of iraq and afghanistan. And there is a new phase within the party, new ideas generated that beyond iraq and afghanistan, i think particularly, they will have a hard time regaining the trust of americans and that is this one step of a larger issue. So what does the party do to begin to give voters to see them as trustworthy and effectively being able to govern. We have seen so far a Government Shutdown and we have seen u. S. Credit ratings diminish. And i think largely americans believe that that is the result of republican incompetence. And until the gop can address those issues, i think americans largely will be disappointed in the Republican Party and not see this gop brand is an effective tool. Host naomi and oklahoma. Go ahead. Caller hello, we do not care what color you are. That should be put to rest. I really tired of this race issue being a problem. And i agree with mr. Krauthammer and the media because they know that obamacare has been in trouble and we are likely to lose a lot of seats in 2014. So the democrats and eric ham are stirring the pot cause problems within the party so they dont lose faith. Host naomi, who do you like . Who is a republican that you like and what is an issue that youre concerned about . Caller i love the law that is in the house, trey gowdy is a brave old soul from South Carolina and georgia. Host are you a member of a tea party . Caller i am not a tea party person. But both parties are getting back to constitution and stopping tearing it down. Host okay, thank you for your time. Guest let me address what he said that obamacare. Because i do believe that is going to be a huge issue in the midterm elections this year. And she had talked about South Carolina as well and i just want to tackle all of this. I do believe that given that you have democrats with about 23 seats that you have to defend my believe it will be a competitive race and republicans had a great chance of taking control of the house and senate and i do believe that they will use this obamacare issue is a huge block twohit democrats over the head with. Including those who are running scared and who are backing in the polls as a result of the problems with obamacare and she makes a very good point about that regarding South Carolina. The journal shortages of fireworks in South Carolina. Because its very interesting. Because you have both been up for reelection and interestingly enough senator scott has not actually come out and in the worst his colleague, senator Lindsey Graham. So that is going to be, i think, very intriguing. And of course nikki haley, who idolized as a potential 2016 candidate as well if she can win reelection in South Carolina. So i think that South Carolina has a number of different issues that i think will provide what may be to come in 2016. Host our next call comes from new york. Welcome to the washington journal. Caller hello, i am rose in new york. Host we are live right now. Caller okay, ive been disconnected three times. I think you should stop disconnecting people who wish to identify themselves as conservative republicans appreciate comments and i have been on hold for two hours. Would you like to know what i think it would you like to hang up on me again . Host we are all yours, rose. Caller thats wonderful. I am a physician. Im concerned about all kinds of things. The first thing i was hung up on was not and im concerned about health care. I am concerned about the constitution. I believe that there is no dissension among conservatives. I believe that there is no dissension among Health Care Providers or patients. I am a provider that is a patient. I am a handicapped physician. My Favorite Book is the wounded healer. You should read it. Host what issue would you like eric ham to talk to you about . We are talking about his book, the gop civil war inside the battle for the soul of the Republican Party. Caller i think he is completely and totally unqualified to speak on the subject. Host is there anything youd like to add to what doctor rose had to say . Guest i agree with her on the issue of Health Health care. I think that that was a huge debate in the 2012 election and i think that it will be a huge debate in the 2014 returns as well as the 2016 president ial election. And i think that regardless of what the president was able to do to get obamacare working effectively, i think that it will be an integral part of the discussion Going Forward and i completely agree with her on that. Host we have a tweet that said ron paul attracted young independence and the gop establishment shun them. Big mistake. Guest as i said, i thought that ron paul, and i was on the ground and witnessed the fervor of the ron paul crowd. And i thought that there was, i thought he had something there and was able to tap into it. I think people who felt affected by their governor it was very similar to what we saw in 2008 with ben senator barack obama. And i thought that there was a way for him to take that fervor and actually turn it into votes, that this could really be something. I think that we were all waiting for the moment when we would see ron paul eventually win a primary, but it just never came to fruition. And so i think that that is a big question for him Going Forward and how does that translate into what i think he will eventually get behind in the 2016 president ial release. Host steve is from mississippi. Go ahead. Caller this is steve and i am in mobile visiting my brother for christmas. I would like you to come in and talk about the right where Bradley Burns on the Republican Party and then this week he was elected to congress with a special congressional race. About 70 of the votes. Badly burned, a state legislator he is a reasonable republican. Host did this happen in mississippi . Caller Bradley Burns this happen in mobile, alabama, area. And he beat the liberal democrat. Host steve, what do you think about the election . Caller the Republican Party needs to nominate the Bradley Burns in the Bobby Jindals and i would like for this writer to talk about this individual who won. Host are you familiar with this race . Guest yes, i am, actually. I talked about this race in alabama and i believe it was district one and it pitted a tea Party Conservative and i think we are going to see a slew of these races in 2014 when i think organizations like the chamber of commerce which is considered an establishment organization, that it will begin to have some of these more far right candidates. And this is such a huge test for the tea party and 2013 as well. And it is a sign of what is to come in 2014. And i think that what this race does, i believe that it solidifies the thesis that there is a civil board within the party. When you mentioned Haley Barbour, i speak candidly about him and i actually call him one of the grownups in the Republican Party. So i think that we are going to see people like Haley Barbour and some of the other grownups or elder statesman within the party began to stand up and speak out and become much more forceful in the establishment candidates in 2014 Going Forward. Host we have the book the gop civil war inside the battle for the soul of the Republican Party by eric ham. Guest it was an issue at the time and this is something that i thought that i could put together given that i have been traveling the country during the 2012 race and looking at some of these issues. That i wanted to get it out of the masses and take advantage of the technology and push it out there and people could quickly downloaded to their tablets and the readers and i wanted something that people could read and easily follow while on the train or sitting in a waiting room something that they could read very quickly and to try to get a pulse on what is going on within our political system, particularly with one party. Host what was the process like for you . Just that it was an arduous process that took a lot of time and it took well over a year to write it and of course there was no shortage of storylines to write about this, mainly given that it was written the backdrop of the 2012 president ial election. But it was a very stimulating exercise and i do think i would like to eventually write another book examining the party. I think that there is going to be major changes within the party. I think the voters and the American People would like to see how this process plays out and i want to be able to provide this kind of information. Host the book is for sale on amazon. Com. This is on the 2012 general election polls that when it comes to gender, men, 62 for romney and 52 are for a obama. White, 59 romney, and also latino and asian all went to obama by big numbers. The only income group that he won was the 50,000 to 100,000. That was ki