kid its became a teacher. and i would say we could all be teachers, but the school system has taught us you can't teach it unless you have a degree or some sort of approval of some governing body that approves as a teacher, and that is not the case. i think people as they advance in their careers, they understand they have something to offer and they become teachers without that sort of approval. it's just they reached a certain level of success and they feel they have something to offer. but because of that, if i related back to parents issue think all parents could be teachers of their kids. but they're denied that feeling of capability and that's why the subtitle is "an inspirational journeyal self-doubter to home school advocate" because i doubted myself. >> host: did you start your kid inside public school. >> guest: oh, yeah. my oldest went through second grade, and in second grade the school system, the system really just failed him. they just weren't educating him the way i thought should be done. and so i brought him -- it was a hard transition. it is a hard transition for someone who has been publicly educated to think they might do a better job than the school, or -- so whatted said i can do at least a good a job as this will school because they're doing a cpappy job and i can do a crappy job. and had to geoff kevin on board -- >> host: your house. >> guest: yeah, i said i'll just try it for the first semester and at christmas we'll re-evaluate and decide. you can go in and out of public school. ing can wasn't like we were in a private school and would lose our slot or something. and i tried it and i loved it. i loved it. it's hard. but it's not harder than sending your kid to school. it's easier than sending your kid to school. >> host: you write in your book you moved to that neighborhood because of the public school. >> guest: yes. we moved there because -- and and they are good schools. i happened to have my -- according to the folklore, the second agreed class my son was in was the very worst second agreed class that school ever had. they had i think five problems children in the school -- in the classroom. it was a shared courtroom so they had two teachers, one every other day a different teacher. just a myriad of issues around that classroom. but we turned in a book report every month for five months, and after the fifth book report i had not received any back and so i asked the teacher, and was in the classroom. was talking to the teacher. multiple times each week can extended conversations about just stuff, what happened that day or whatever. i taught art in the classroom. helped the teacher by grading papers and yet it still took me asking the you, how are his book reports, to get the answer, not very good. and i was like, i thought she was joking at first. she said, no, not very good at all. and every excuse i came up for her not telling me this, not volunteering this information, not giving me this information, just as a teacher to the parent, until i asked, every excuse made her look worse. which made me feel bad because i liked her. but you like teachers for different reasons than they're good educators. there are plenty of reasons to like a teach. it wasn't she was a bad educator, but the system failed. she had 25 kidded, five problem kid, wasn't there every day, so that division of labor -- he fell through the cracks issue guess. i'm not really sure what actually happened but i just went, you know what? i thick can do better. can do at least that. what happened was i brought him dish started doing book reports with him every day after school. i wasn't even thinking home school. i was like, okay, we have to step up our game. he's my first. don't know what a second grade sheer be writing like. and so i said, show me a good book report, and she did and i was like, blown away. it was like gorgeous and the cursive writing was amazing and my son's is like chicken scratch. to every day we worked on a book report and i said, this is probably what home schooling is like. if you're a parent, and you do cool work with your child, you home school. you just do it at the end of the day when everybody is tired and cranky and hungry. >> host: what was the process like for withdrawing him from school what what are the regulations -- >> guest: every state is different. california is a great state to home school in. there is no withdrawal. there's just nonenrollment. ju just don't enroll and take care of the paperwork with the state, which is fairly system, and there are so many organizations that have developed over the past two decades or so. mean, home schooling three decades ago was like the wild west themself new frontier, you really had to search for crick sculpt do you research. now you can buy curriculum in a box. do classical conversations. love it. four seventh grade and up. you literally get your curriculum in a box. it's everything you want. it's everything i want, anyway. and so there are plenty of other -- there's so many options out there. then there are options to help you with the paperwork, figure out the filing requirements in your state. so it's pretty good for us right now. right now. >> host: you have three children. >> guest: i do. >> all home schooled? >> guest: oh, yeah. >> host: did the two ongoinger ones every good to public school at all. >> guest: they both went to kindergarten. >> host: is that a requirement or something you did? >> guest: it's something i did just to get them out of the house, for a half day, just for fun, and i -- so -- let's see. so, i brought shane home for first grade. braden came home for third grade and then takey went to kindergarten the first year for fun. shane got friends in considering the and i thought it would be fun for tavy. it was enough. shane actually didn't really respond well to -- he was okay but he is not the social kid so he didn't want to be around a bunch of kid. in fact on several occasion he just didn't want to go to school, and i did all the research. i was concerned maybe he was being bullied or something. that's not his bag. i can't imagine how many kids are like pushed into going into 25 child classroom and they're not the social person. they're not the -- they don't thrive in that environment. tight chaotic for them of whatever. >> host: sam in your book you write that school bureaucrats view hoe knowledge -- as if education could mimic a fastfood franchise. >> guest: have you read the mission statement of the department of education? holm. >> host: what does it say. >> guest: they have good elit racing but it says something. it says something about equality. they're looking for equal outcomes. and school bureaucrats are looking for basically equal outcomes, and that's cultural. that's where our society is right now. we're very much about equal outcomes but unfortunately we live in an exceptional country and we need to preserve our exceptionality and the way to do is not with a one size fits all education system. >> host: how do you kidded feel about home schooling. >> guest: they love it but i brainwash them. i'm a parent. parents need to understand that they should be in charge. that it's okay for them to be in charge. and that they -- here's the thing. your childs five and it's time to go to kindergarten. why? you can't teach them their a-b-c, can't teach them -- you taught them to tie their shoes but they turn five or six and now it's the job of a professional to teach them what? abcdefg, this is a cat, this is a dog. so at what point does the parent -- is the parent really forced to tap out? i would argue, maybe calculus. maybe for some people. that's like, okay, that's above my pay grade and i don't want to learn it. what happened with me is when i started home schooling i realized wanted to learn the stuff. i'd never taken logic in school. i did logic with my son and learned and it it was cool. what we august -- ought ought to be doing is helping our children become life-long learners-especially in this economic environment, because the economy has shifted. you no longer get your college degree, gate job, work your way up the ranks, 50 years later retire with a gold watch. that doesn't happen anymore. people are changing careers i think -- can't remember the statistic but three times before the age of 30. or 40. i can remember. it was -- people are changing careers. how do you change careers if you can't learn? and what are we teaching our kid when we send them to school? school says this is how you learn. so in order to learn a new career i have to go back to that? no. you can get your education online. there's a great ted talk bit a young 14-year-old physicist who is discovering things, and he says, hacked my education. went online, wanted to learn about this, looked it up, con academy, like education is out there now, and there are plenty of opportunities to educate yourself and plenty of opportunities to educate your house educate your children if you think you need to be taught how to educate your children. i'm their empower parents that they are the primary educators of their children and don't need to cede that role to someone else at the age of five. >> host: what what's reaction of your neighbors, your friends other, parents? >> guest: i live in a community that is fairly home school supportive. i don't run into a lot of pushback. nowdays every time i get on an airplane, the flying attendant says to me your children are so well-behaved and so polite. i'm like, yes, they are. you know why? they're around me 24/7 so i require they be play. if i were sending them off to school might slack that. mice just doing -- it's not that important because i don't spend all thea that time with them so they don't have to be that polite. i would let it slide. right? but because they're around me all the time, not only did i start requiring, please and thank you, because even that -- it's tough to get the please and thank you. upped it. i said i want sir and ma'am. want, please, circumstance thank you, ma'am. now, i don't get sir and ma'am but i always get please and thank you. >> host: is your husband on board? is he active in this -- >> guest: oh, yeah, absolutely. >> host: what does he do nor living. >> guest: he's the gym teacher. what does he do for a living? he is hercules. so my husband played hercules on television for seven years. and then he did another show called andromeda and then has been doing film, a lot of independent film, some network television and stuff. he's an actor, travels a lot. that is one of the reasons i decided to home school, because shortly after the book report incident, we went on a long trip and then i was really doing the work with the kids every day, that it brought from the school, i and i didn't like the work. i was like, this -- it's a lot of busy work and i was just like, think i can do better. so, yes, he is on board, and i have a new book coming out, and -- >> host: we'll get to that. there is a stigma attached to a home school? >> guest: if there is, it's a good one. you know what? people are starting to sort of make their peace with home schooling. i make a big point in my book, i do not go after teachers if think teachers are great. would like to see more teachs work on a home-school model with parents who can't afford the time, or don't-or just can't manage to get it done. i would love to see that. i think the system has -- it is an example of failure. part of the reason that it's a failed example is because we borrowed it from the. it's assembly line technique, and but we're dealing deal humas and not cars and it's based on the prussian model geared to quash the intellect. and limit potential. >> host: how so? >> guest: well, for instance, steve jobs gave a very well-known speech at stanford commencement speech, and he was booed off the stage because he basically saviour graduating from college you'll amount to nothing because you have been taught to be an employee. and so you will never be an entrepreneur. why is the mantra of the school system is college prep and career readiness? because the interest of the government is to raise worker bees for the economy. the interest of the parent is to raise a happy, healthy individual who can provide for themselves. who is self-sustaining. that's not necessarily the goal of the government. >> host: i'm already paying taxes to the local school. i don't have time. i'm not qualified. my kid -- >> guest: good thing you don't have kid. >> host: my kid need the socialization, some of arguments against. >> guest: guy through that. a whole list of the argument. there some valid arguments. i'm not saying that this is one size fits all. i'm saying it's really probably the best choice out there, and if it's not the best choice out there, you're a very unique situation because i don't have patience is a big one. believe god gave you your children to teach you patience. think you need to learn patience. what's the opposite of patience? anger. so when you say don't have the patience, i say i'm sorry for your anger issue. have you seen somebody about that? but there are lot of arguments against it. how did we get here? we were lazy. it was easy. they made it one stop shopping. you drop your kid off. why would anybody put their child in an institution? i just turn that on its head. you have a five-year-old. why, why are you thinking of giving him over to an institution? what is the elm tuesday there. >> host: to full time working parents, sing parents. >> guest: okay. there's the one sort of area where i recognize, this is really a far reach. i know people who have done it. it depends on the age over child, the child's personality, a lot of things. so, it maybe home schooling is not available to you. maybe that is an option that is not available to you. right before i got married my husband suffered three strokes. i got a great job shooting a tv commercial for ice cream, one of my favorite things, national network spot. wanted it. it was a big deal. i walked into the ic and said to kevin, i got the job. they want me to fly to new york for the days. do you want me not to go? which put him -- unwitness leg put him in the position of admitting he needed me. we weren't married yet. he said, no, i don't want you go, and i faced a choice, and the choice of having my career or the choice of having my husband, and i chose my husband, and the career was taken off the table. that's the choice. so, if you're in a position where you have a child and you have to have a job, and you don't have the time, i can't fix that. those are circumstances that can't be fixed and home schooling may not be the option for you. however, i know people who -- the wife simply didn't want to home school. the husband wanted the children home schooled. so he hired a retired teachers, one for each child, they came in the home every day for four hours, taught the children the curriculum he designed -- he chose for them, the mom cooked and cleaned and did her mommy stuff or the social stuff she wanted to do, or the charity outreach or whatever she was doing, never did homework with the kids because they get their work done in less than four hours for daddy with their teacher, cost him less than the private school, which would have been his other option. and his oldest daughter just graduated harvard. i would never have thought to do that. that's why i'm advocating for teeners who are maybe disillusioned with the system. you can branch out. you can start a small business home schooling other parents' children, and form your own little co-op. there's no reason -- the other thing that we do is we separate subjects. so math is distinct from history, but it's not because there's a history to math. there's a history to language. that's a history to science. there's math in science. there's science in math. they're enter twinned but we have separated them out and now with common core we're turning math into magic. so if you're -- i'm a math in particulars. i love math and went to school for engineering itch understand mon chore but dub common core, iing are fig it out, but to a young child, it looks like magic. they're remover thing intellect. and if you as a child don't get it, you're stupid. and if you as a parent don't get it, you look stupid to your child. >> host: you mentioned you have another book coming out. >> guest: yes. "teach them love." a school year devotional for families and teachers. and so if you're a teacher in the school, because i want to support teachers, because i love them, think they can be some of the greatest people, and they do an amazing thing, and they're working in a broken system. this is a devotional to teach godly characteristicker to our children women removed god from our culture, at the and that tate those characteristics are what we should be emulating and trying for thundershower children. want to have morally principled society, have virtue in our society. we want laws to work. and if we remove morality our laws don't work, and we will resolve into tyranny. there's no other way. so i wrote teach from love. it just came out. just got a copy -- i got my copies at home and my assistant sent me a photo of and imit goes into book stores august 1st. >> host: the book we're talking about is "they're your kids:en ain't operational downfrom from self-doubter to home school advocate". >> guest: sam sorbo.com. >> sunday night, radio host and contributor, charles sikes, discusses the book, how the right lost its mind. he interviewed by tammy bruce, fox news contributor and host of the tammy bruce show. >> donald trump represented something. he certainly represented what the big middle finger from voters to the establishment but if how real ya want to deal with the issues, you would have gone with marco rubio or scott walker or ted cruz or carly fiorina and they didn't. in tumor terms of communication, yes, he's a master of twitter but he was crews, rude, serial liar, has is thin skinned, erratic, fraught and -- >> you don't have an opinion. >> this was relatively well-known, and conservatives who not that longing into used to argue that character matters. the president was role model health found a way to rationalize the behavior of somebody who eninsults women, mocks the disabled, mocks prisoner of wars. paid a multimillion dollar fine for defrauding students who are trying to get an education. >> former president bill clinton recently shared his thoughts on what he calls the most important political book of the last decade. >> the exhibit is at the clinton presidential center right now? extreme bugs. know what my staff gave for christmas last year and two, not one, two ant farms. so i can have one on my desk at the presidential library and one in my office in harlem. why? because i am always telling them, that the most important political book that nobody read or read for a political book, written in the last ten years, that would have makes all much healthier as citizens is "a social conquest of argentina" which is less than 250 pages long and he is a double fuel litter prize winning microbiologist who first taught me combined weight of the ants on earth is greater, greater than the combined weight of all the people on earth. that's quite a number of ants. why aim telling you this? because here's the conclusions of the book. 'll save you the purchase price. the conclusion is that of all the species that have ever inhabited our earth, and we know there are hundreds of thousands of them, right? they're badly disappearing now at the most rapid rate in 10,000 years, but he said the most successful species that ever lived, if you define success as we had rae peteed chances to be wiped out but they failed. here we are. we're still around. and most successful species are ants, termites, bees bees and p. not the biggest, not the strongest, and he says, what do they have in common? the greatest cooperators. they found ways to work together to solve common problems and build stronger futures. and he says people are the greatest cooperators. their great strength is our great curse. we have conscience, and consciousness and we know it. so it makes us arrogant and we think we're martyr than we are so we slice and dice ourselves in ways that in the end threaten our ability to escape one more existence threatening challenge. -this climate change thing give maze kick. no one doubts the question because it's numerically verifiable that more than 90% of the scientists say this is can an existential threat to our planet. people say, they might be wrong. we just had the coldest winter in march for the last however men areas. wished globe warming would come back. name me one threat that you wouldn't take seriously if you thought the odds of doing this were more than 90% better than the odds of doing that? see the child in the back seat? there's 100% chance your child will survive a crash unless the car completely collapses. five percent of the people say, that's crazy. the aide odd are just at good, throw the kid the back seat and let them roll around. nobody would do that. right? that's what we're doing on climate change. we're throwing the kid in the back seat and letting them roll around. >> you can watch eoll one's full discussion of the social conquest of earth on our web site, booktv.org. booktv, television for serious readers. here's a look at upcoming book fairs and festivals around the country: