Bad about it and then they are flabbergasted by the fact that the young men that come to visit or a collector more than officially only four years later he loved politics i could go on and on. House said was he and how did he live to me 85 quacks. So, within the genes, he had a good genes. He was into the big traveler, at all. He does that a very famous trip with jefferson, with they both single and a lot of historians, think about, whether that was a secret trip to build political interest or not. But they wrote, they felt better. And, our guest is a lawyer, and teachers at boston college. Her book is called madisons hand, all about the notes from the Constitutional Convention and mary and we thank you very much. Thank you thanks, very much book t. V. On cspan two takes on Public Affairs programming and focus the latest non fiction books. Our snaig sure programs are indepth, live three hour look. Questions with viewers. Indepth airs the first sunday. 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Yes. Let me get to you talk about this moment. You talk about it in your book. This, this is crack cocaine, seized a few days ago by Drug Enforcement agents, in a park just across streit from a white house it, could have been heroin or pcp. Its as innocent looking as candy and it is turning our cities into battle zones, and it is murdering our children. Let there be no mistake. This stuff is poison. You say in your book, you sold that stuff. Yes. Why . I sold it because i was, you know, the environment i grew up with. I was young. I grew up on welfare. I was in a family of 6. Five girls and myself. My father left after the third grade. Once a cop, i have a picture of me in the fifth grade and im sitting in the front, and ill holding my feet because i will have holes, and i had cardboard so my socks would not get wet. I got involved in the street. Met some frequents and they were selling drugs. It was the thing to do. And i started selling drugs and marijuana, and, cocaine and then crack cocaine and we started selling that. So i was in the streets 1318yearsold. Five years. Whats the difference between cocaine and crack cocaine . Cracked cocaine is cooked. Rock form. Like in the bag. Whats mess ka lynn . Its a pill. A little tiny pill. Whats lucy . Unlike what, garner got killed for, he got killed for buying cigarettes. It was allows joint. So, instead of selling like a nickel bag or dimebag of wed, we did the rolling for you and we would sell you a little strength for one dollar. You have loose sis. A wooly . A wooly was just a [laughter] allows joint. Marijuana joint lace we had cocaine. Sprinkle a little bit of it in. You got the high and the low. Who is smooth . Smooth was very good friend of mine who i grew up with, and, he actually introduced me to the streets. The ironic thing, he didnt have to. He had a good family home. Mom worked for a telephone company. And father worked for the post office. House and car, and, just because of the environment that we grew up in, there was a lot of people involved in the streets and he brought me in, on the whole drug game and i started hanging out with him. Why did you you want to you t to write 9 book. Im glad you asked it, the reason really wrote is it for generations. My kids and grand kids and i wanted them to know this life transformation and then it morphed into this book that i had to write and tell my story because i was put on the frontpage after newspaper in new york city. They really, like took some shots at my personality, and my character, and called me a thug cop. So i had to tell my story. The backdrop, i wrote my own book and i stopped at walking across the stage, graduating, and all this stuff, i was in the street selling drugs and went to the military and became a cop. That was the end of my book until the newspaper and then i had to go through my entire police car rear so i could, you know, lessen some of the stuff that was put out, that was lies. Heres the frontpage of that New York Post, right there. It says, i dont crack as gangster, n. Y. P. D. Hon cho reveals. Calls you a thug cop. What was your reaction . What happened . How did it happen . Yeah. It happened, my reaction to that, you know, i wasnt happy about it. Because i never was a thug cop. I did sell crack when i was out in the street. I dont know if i consider myself a gangster. I was not putting hits. I was a street hustler. I was a criminal. It was really bad for my family my family had to evenly do you remember that, waking up in the morning and theres a picture of me with the president of the united states, and the book, maybe the future president , hillary clinton, and, lgbt cooljay, and i had such a great life and now, with me being on that front cover, it took all of that away. And it wasnt an easy time. I knew that i was never a thug cop. The n. Y. P. D. Has a federal probe going on, theres going to be numerous executives, and some lower range people. I never committed a crime as a cop. I thought that, they were always looking at me because of my past. Because of the way i came to work. Because of my tattoos. I thought it was a set up. Lets come back, go through some brief outline of your life. You were born what year and where. In 1968 in queens. Where did you go to school. In jamaica queens. I left there in the third grade and got kicked out for pushing girls down the stairs and they all fell down the stairs. And i got busted out to junior high school. And then i went to Newtown High School for an Engineering Program and insprited some of my crack frequents to see me play basketball. They had a riot and i got kicked out of there and went to one of the worst schools, and i graduated from Andrew Jackson high school. 1987. So what were the years that you were selling drugs . About 1984 and i left in 1987. After high school, and after 1987 what happened . I went to the u. S. Army. How long . Three years and eight months. I did a little bit long because iraq one, that what are we won in 30 days, it was up. So george bush was the president , and he extended everybody. So i had to stay a few more months. Were you on duty. Yes. Active duty and the National Guard. And then the National Guard for 14 years. I got about 18 years. So takes us up to what year. 1992. March 1992 1991 i got out of the military. And then i went to the police academy. When did you become a policeman. January 13, 1992. How long did you serve as a active Duty New York Police man . And what happened . 21 years as a Police Officer. I want to show some video of you, on the streetcorner, talking about where you used to sell drugs so people can get a sense of what it was like this is my spot, right here. I spent countless hours here. 12, 24, 48, this is where the drug trade was. All day, everyday. There was nothing else to do, but to sell drugs. It was cool, almost like a cool thing to do it so we the whole park, with the supreme team. I had this area here, i would will have this area. You have to understand, supreme team, all the lieutenantss had difficult caps. Blue and, the Handball Court there was another worker and, in the Basketball Court and somebody down here, and it was just crack all over the park. Who was buying . Everybody was buying. When crack came it des decimated that community and i was the people that was supplying t. Everybody was buying. You had friends and family members, that was drugs. Everybody, it came from all walks of life. People without money and with money. Middle class maybe hoovmentd nice houses and they were buying. You had white people come, and, it was a black community. White people was driving in to buy. Everybody was buying. You talk about the blue tops and how much would it cost. We had two vials a. Small one and big one. Jumbo, that was 10 or 5 5 for the little. Or 10 or 20. How much did you make a day. We, we made, i worked two different places. I was a freelancer, where you saw that video. That wasnt with the supreme team and i was working on my own. 1,000 a day. And i worked for the supreme team. Its been written that they made 200,000 a week. Who was the supreme team. It was a drug crew cran ran by supreme and he had, his nephew worked with him and he had five lieutenants. And they had an iron fifth organization. It was run like a fortune 500. We worked, shfts. 128. And 84 and 412 midnight and we got paid on fridays. It was a job. Makes it to face. And the thing was, we worked the exact same hours as the Police Officers. Some of these criminals, they could these cops were smart, they emulated the schedh schedule and they started to pate police off. Did you ever get paid off. No, i could not be bowvment i was afraid. I a little thought it was a set up. Nobody offered me money. We stopped somebody with a bag of money and he said, i dont know whos money it is, and take it. I dont care. And i was like, no. Because i did the math, if he got 15, 20,000, and split it with my partner and i will make 1 million, and im going to embarrass my family. So where would you get the drugs, on a daytoday basis . How much where did you keep it . Back then a lot of times we held drugs on us. The police were not around. It was more police, 50,000 Police Officers, back then, and now 36,000. And they werent proactive and we we would put it in the tire well and a tree, and keep some on you. And i cant carry 200. I would have a package of 2, 300 for the shift. You cant have that. So, you lay it down somewhere. Are there supreme team members that you know. Yes. Was it ever uncovered. In this book, there are so many names. How many of those are the names, the actual names of the people . Only two people. Everybody else name those are. Supreme and prince. Who was prince . When we saw you in that video who was the other fellow . Smooth. Tell me more about smooth. Smooth went on, to become high ranking official in Law Enforcement also. They find out in the book. He changed his life. He went to catholic school. He went to Catholic High School and he went to a university, all while doing these things that i was doing. He changed his life and became a Law Enforcement supervisor and he retired. Here is the former mayor of new york city, Rudy Giuliani, and this is only about 25 seconds. The morale of the new York City Police department is so low. He blames it on me and you. The reason, the morale of the Police Department is so low, is one reason, and one reason alone, david done kins. You called him a con. I was there. I was on the steps of city hall. Because it was going to be a big protest. They had to have Police Officers there. Ill never forget it. Cops and these were all cops. News and signs with the n word. And it was bad. I felt bad. 1992. The things that he was saying and we saw a little bit. He was just ruling up, a major racist protest. You could just look back at the old footage, a bunch of drunk white cops and a couple of white agitate tors, egging them on. And saying these things the mayor was black. Yes. He was saying, racist things. What was the reason for him making that particular speech. He wanted to be the mayor. He had lost the election to him. He became the mayor because he beat Rudy Giuliani and now for the reelection, giuliani was going hard because he wanted to be the mayor. With a few missteps, the Washington Heights riots, he tipped the expail and he won. Someone else you call a clown is bernie bernard. Yes, former police commissioner. Why a clown . Well, its almost, exoan knee i. At its best. He was a detective, which is on the same scale as a cop. And, sergeant, detective, captain, and inspector, and chief, chief, chief. And he became the mayor, in new york city and he made him, down here, and brought him and made him the police commissioner. Number 1 person, in this organization, which is the biggest Police Department in the country. I mean, after, having ray kelly and bratton as police commissioners, to bring him, you exol see he just did four years in prison for corruption. And taking things. That wouldnt happen to a seasoned veteran. You know you cant do this and that. What was your personal reaction when bernie went to prison . I didnt, i was like, basically, he was he wasnt prepared for the job. That was it. It was like, he wasnt prepared for the job. Since you published this book, you made some people very unhappy. I want to run, some video of the fellow that runs the p. B. A. , you have seen this before, and explain it. I think this gentlemans name is Patrick Lynch. Tell us what his job is. Hes the Union President for like 35,000 cops or 30,000 cops. Right after this story came out, talking, by the way, before we do this, the thug life thing, where did that come from . I could not tell you. The tattoo. It just started, the rumor mill. They said i had thug life. I never it had removed. You cant write over writing. And that would have a shadow. It dont work. If you took it and wrote cat and dog, it will not be legible. Same thing with inc. You cant where i e write over writing. Which wife is it . My current wife. Thats whats on your neck. Yes. Thats where the thug life thing came from. Patrick lynch runs the p. P. B. A. You go to the Sergeant Union and as you move up, you changeups. What was the highest rank. Deputy inspector. What is that . Commissioner the top. Where does that come in. Commissioner is about four or five average higher. But, in terms of numbers, in a department of 36,000, you probably have 35,000 people under you. Heres Patrick Lynch on the streets being interviewed. Theres a headline about a retired deputy inspector, on a podcast and now saying he once sold crack cocaine and [inaudible] new York City Police officer. If he was palling around, if he had information, that killed a new York City Police officer. He never was a Police Officer, he should not be allowed to carry an id card, thats a privilege, and, he is not entitlessed to that. They should look back and find out where he lied, and, pull the pension and never allow him to be a Police Officer. Whats your reaction. That shows the major difference after cop and executive. Lets say i lied. Hes so not informed that, lying is what you call per gerry and the statue of limitations may be five years. Hes a cop. Hes just talking and arrests people. He was never in a policy making position. Why was he mad at you . He is standing next to eddie burns brother and thats it. And they are upset because i know the killer. When was eddie burns he was a cop. When was he killed. February 1988. I went to the military. Okay toy ber 18, 1987. Who killed him. Three guys who are in jail for decades, now. The one fellow that theyre upset about, that you knew. David,. Hes in prison. Yes. So, again, why would, just because, thats his brother. Yes. For him to make you know, theres no push back with the reporter there. For him to say i withheld vital information, do you think, that if i had any information leading to probably the most infamous murder, if my name was on any sheet, anything, do you think i would have been able to be a new York City Police officer . No way in the world. Nobody ever asked me. That wasnt one of the questions on the application. So, i would have told him, because i was scared. I just got out of the military. And my wife and kids, i wanted to do what was right. And i wanted this job. First Police Officer and first one to get my mass masters and i wasnt going to say anything. What were the circumstance of eddie being killed. It was a murder. There was a murder out there, the drug gang murders a witness. It was pretty much friends with the supreme team. They ordered a hit. Because he got locked up. This kid was sitting in front of this house, guaranteeding a witness and these three guys murdered him. The whole thing, every year his family, they add memorial, and i would go, every year. I met his brother and mother and father. And i met all of them. I did that every year. But because i wanted to tell my life story of this transformation, and i knew these people and i shot at people. But, i was never arrested, and convict of a crime. Why shouldnt i be able to tell my story. Every month, they send a few hundreds. Pension checks. They want to take my pension. But i never did anything. You make 135,000 taxfree as your pension . Thats thats what the publication say. I have a tax free pension, yes. They want that taken away from you. They cant do. Its impossible. Isnt there a lawsuit. Did you sue them . I have a lawsuit pending against the n. Y. P. D. For taking my guns and the New York Post. I have a couple Million Dollar law suit i told my story. I was on a pod cast. And im trying to get a book deal. And get as much